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1). H2H
2). Standard equipment. No BFR.

Good fight, but I'd back Arthur.

Barda backhands Aquaman then pimps him out like the sidewalk Sally he is. pimp

Whenever Pr posts his Aquaman nonsense:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AbandonedAggravatingBoilweevil-size_restricted.gif

Barda

Very good fight, edge to Barda.

Round 1 Arthur
Round 2 Barda, mega rod has a lot more capability than any trident Arthur uses (even when he had Poisiden's trident

Originally posted by beatboks
Round 1 Arthur
Round 2 Barda, mega rod has a lot more capability than any trident Arthur uses (even when he had Poisiden's trident

Such as?

arthur gets squashed

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Such as?

Such as ranged blasts that can take down Superman and Matrix (both of whom are a lot more durable than Arthur)

https://i.imgur.com/7JX7vpS.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GHs3cBm.jpg

Can be used to BFR an opponent light years away (like she did to Lobo)

https://i.imgur.com/c9spBBs.jpg

It can create shields
https://i.imgur.com/dxFolDR.jpg

Not to mention it gives her flight (due to anti grav) teleportation (boom tube) and phasing.

Sin, who's winning this

I never said anything about a composite Trident.

I said any individual Trident that Arthur has had does not match the Mega road and it doesn't.

Every version of the Mega rod has the abilities I've shown, no need to pick or merge feats.

The trident of Poisidon that Arthur had briefly pre 52 after saving him from Hades is the only one that has versatility close to that of Barda's mega rod. Even it's abilities are more inferred than actually shown and those that are shown haven't all been used by Arthur. We DONT feat share, so the abilities of that trident shown by others or simply referenced don't count. If they did than it would be a win for Arthur

The weakest Superman is still >>>> more durable than Arthur and she took him down in 2 blasts. Matrix Supergirl's durability is >> than Arthur's also and she took her down in 1 blast. Lobo can and has blitzed faster characters than Arthur and was BFR'd light years before he could get to her.

It's a forum fight so character have access to the peak abilities shown and don't.fight with PIS so Barda.can and will use any feats she has to win. Arthur however cant use the feats of say Triton who used the trident to become one with the sea and defeat him. He only hS the feats he has with the trident after Posiedon gave it to him after he rescued him from Hades after Tritom killed him with it. Those feats simply aren't many, as he never.used it. Just like we don't give Kule Raynor Hal Jlrdan's feats etc.

Oh, just saw the no BFR so she isn't sending him to deep space

I'll just add, this "weak Byrne" Superman gave Darkseid a shellacking, and this same Darkseid was able to one shot heralds like Guy Gardner or Lobo.

Originally posted by carver9
Sin, who's winning this variable I'm not sure if op wanted a composite trident or a particular one. But I'll go for Barda in both

Barda takes both rounds.

Lets say strength is a wash
Whos more skilled?
Who has the better weapon (reach and damage output)?

Originally posted by beatboks
Round 1 Arthur
Round 2 Barda, mega rod has a lot more capability than any trident Arthur uses (even when he had Poisiden's trident I think I'd agree with this.

Originally posted by beatboks
Round 1 Arthur
Round 2 Barda, mega rod has a lot more capability than any trident Arthur uses (even when he had Poisiden's trident
Yeah, this is probably the best answer. That Mega Rod is pretty OP.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well, if she comes into this fight serious and lubes the rod up, he'd experience a whole lot of soreness.

He hangs out with a lovecraftian sized Octopus 🐙 the hell is the megarod suppose to do compared to that


https://youtu.be/pZo9OVR9tqk

What an awful morning to have eyes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
What an awful morning to have eyes.

As a mod, you can't put on sunglasses, unfortunately.

1.The Megarod can create shields that would make all Aquaman's physical attacks non events.

2. It allows her to phase thru attacks she hasn't shielded from

3. The Megarod brainwashes the user to be a Warrior for Darksied so she has overcome that mental control.

4. She also has a motherbox that protects from mental attacks also.

5. Never-ending the fact that the rod allows her to manipulate gravitational fields. Arthur might not even be able to reach her.

Even if it couldn't harm him (which it can) in a PIS free fight it precludes him harming her (hich sort of makes it impossible for him to win)

And once again it one shots Matrix Supergirl who on averages has greater durability than Arthur.

Any lowballing of two shooting Supes Aside Matrix's durability feats of the time don't have a low ball you can hang off. The mear fact that it took a double shot to take down supes of the DOS era is confirmation that he was not at the lowball bs you try to quote to lower averages. That showing places him at double the durability of Matrix by scaling.

But

Blah blah blah Aquaman beats every more versatile character in his weight class and some other above because I'm a fanboy

She can separate him from his trident before putting a ff around him to contain him. She can do this by porting it out of his reach or making it heavy and fall to the ground when he uses it. No BFR doesn't preclude moving things within the battlefield

Yes she can phase with it. I dont read much of Barda but I've seen her do so about 4 times from memory.

Tp was a win condition I considered for both fights but discounted in a fully armed battle more because of the MB than the MB

It's protected New gods from Arion's TP and DS's.

It's the versatility I'm giving the win to not a single method. It allows for more counters if something fails. Throw a FF around Arthur, the trident breaks it, bFR the trident a few hundred feet either by porting it or gravity manip. Bang incapacitated. An attack got closer despite all those things phase thru it, post out of its way and blinding your opponent from behind with an energy blast.

Matrix has been hurt but not put down by pre Crisis Supergirls heat issuing. She also TKOd PC SG with a sucker punch. The girl is stronger than Arthur with TK on MMHs level plus a shape shifter that can regenerate nd reform almost instantly but was taken down by a open front on blast of the MR.

I didn't feel any aggression or attitude when I posted sorry if it felt that way but when I see people repeating the same failed argument against evidence I just assume they will never change their stance and for you on Aquaman I've bow seen it in quite a few threads I'm convinced you'd choose him in an Aquaman vs Spectre thread

When stipulations in a battle remove one of the frequently used methods of a character that is no longer the case. The fact is Barda uses BFR 15 to 20% of the time. More when she's facing an opponent that she has or is expecting trouble with. Taking away her go to move makes the ability to do so acceptable within the limits allowed. Barda can still use porting via the megarod or the MB to constantly move Arthur to the edge of the battlefield (ergo not BFR)



Orion's durability <<< Matrix Supergirl. He isn't even impervious, his durability is dependant on his ability to take pain and regenerate.

https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11122/111223820/5600840-1399969817-30400.jpg

Matrix feats
Punching Supes (not BYRNE era)
https://m.imgur.com/DqGEgMe

KOing PC Supergirl
https://m.imgur.com/yooL9Hg

Not even phased by millions of speedsters punches
https://m.imgur.com/qEYDbOs
(This one would have dropped Orion easily)

Hit by but not seriously damaged by PC Supergirls heat vision
https://imgur.com/iVMuMB7

Matrix has Kryptonian strength, Speed, durability etc plus MMH level TK, shape shifting and regeneration. Her TK has even staggered Mxy

https://imgur.com/fBSf7lh

Your counters to the Matrix one shot are a joke, so are the low balling of 2 shooting Superman but what ever. You'll only ignore the evidence (like you did my fist lot as you've done in every other thread I've offered any which is why I normally don't give you any. There is absolutely no point. You just make up your own rules why something is invalid and keep going.

Tomorrow I'll make an Aquaman vs Spectre or Dr Fate or some such thread for you to post in

Barda is also willing to do what is needed to win - for her, the honour is in the winning.

So saying what she would or wouldn't do, to me, is kinda moot. Like having Constantine or Loki or someone similar in a thread - if they can or need to cheat and bend the rules, they'll do so.

Barda could be Aunt May level... she is facing Aquaman here, ffs, not some actual threat.

I think he's referring to Motherboxes in general being able to phase their users.

1. Respect threads don't show everything and quite often miss or missrepresent things.

2. I've not once said she would phase only that she can and she could. I have said repeatedly that she can use the MR ability to teleport things to deal with the likes of the trident. She has a lot of BFR feats in respect threads and in comics. But your lame ass response is when has she BFRd a weapon. Well since I've never seen her in a story where she was barred from just BFRing an opponent why would there be massive amounts of showings in RTs of minor teleport feats. RTs exist to show a characters best not a minor comparison.

If a guy has trained in an MA that has kicks but normally uses just his hands, when saif hands are tied he's going to use his feet.

But when it comes to you and Aquaman, his feats are always taken based on his highest no account what soever for his lows to average them out and everybody else is based on the Lowe's

I'm just going to say, we don't always need the exact scan to prove something.

Can Aquaman lift a 20 ton pencil? Well, we know he can lift 20 tons, we know he can lift pencils, so surely we don't need an exact scan of him lifting a 20 ton pencil.

Conversely, asking for the exact scan and using its absence as proof he can't, is wrong imo.

The argument then becomes if Barda can do her phasing etc before Aquaman clocks her.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm just going to say, we don't always need the exact scan to prove something.

Can Aquaman lift a 20 ton pencil? Well, we know he can lift 20 tons, we know he can lift pencils, so surely we don't need an exact scan of him lifting a 20 ton pencil.

Conversely, asking for the exact scan and using its absence as proof he can't, is wrong imo.

The argument then becomes if Barda can do her phasing etc before Aquaman clocks her.

Honestly DS, I only recall her phasing twice, maybe 3 times. It's not something she is all that likely to use. It's just another option she has available, another arrow in the quiver as it were. Shes also never to my recall used gravity manip offensively. She's used it to fly and levitate aonthers, but it's there as an option.

1. I showed feats for everything I claimed except phasing or things well known like gravity manip on page 1. Which is exactly why I never pushed phasing as an option. I showed scans of her BFRing and porting opponents, I showed scans of her creating force fields, I showed scans of her taking down with blasts people more durable than Arthur. I dont care enough to skim a few dozen comics to find the one or two times I've seen it. Especially since one of her weapons is a mother box that it's common knowledge can do it anyway (as DS already alluded to and maybe that was how she achieved it the times I saw).

2. It's not false scaling at all. Arthur has no durability feats even close to those of Matrix. His average durability showings are also well below the average of Byrne level Supeman. As I already said the fact that the MR needed to doubleshot Superman and only single shot Matrix also proves the level the writer has that era Superman at.

Since in Durability Arthur at his peak is <<average Matrix which is = low Byrne are Superman but was < the version MR was shown to two shot (since it one shot Matrix) there is no faulty scaling involved.

For you on the other hand Arthur always scales to his highest showings. Because Byrne era had a low showing or two he always scales to those and hence any showing against Superman of that era is below Arthur. Ive even shown how Matrix scales to pre crisis SG, bit it's all false scaling because that's your unsupported point of view.

Funny how everyone else on the thread seems to agree with the points I've made. They clearly saw the evidence presented as enough and aren't just fanboying

Barda boils the moisture out of Arthur.

Originally posted by cdtm
Barda boils the moisture out of Arthur.

Scans?

Just whined and ignored the massive errors you made. Concessions accepted.

Tank* not rank

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Tank* not rank

If you think I meant typos, I don't criticize over an occasional typo.

I don't care whether scans for phasing were given or not, it's not a justification. Why did you bring up a non canon example of Aquaman countering phasing?

Why after being corrected on Darkseid getting mugged did you ignore it? That and the above makes me think you knew the context.

Hmm ecstatoicgrace says




He says this in response to posts where I said



And after posts where I said


Yet I have a problem reading??

1. I never said she would use it in a fight only that she could, it was an option. I think it came up when some BS raised about Arthur using the trident to break a force field where I said it was one of the options she would have after several others. Never mind the no limits fallacy of the trident breaking a FF with no feats to support (oh that's right it's me that doesn't show evidence, not ecstaticgrace) because physical durability =/= force fields (one is piecing a hard barrier the other is penetrative a countering force). Ignore the fact that it was an option I listed after BFshifting (as BFR isn't allowed) the trident a few hundred feet away, (the most obvious thing she would do since she often BFRs and of its barred porting within the battlefield would be an obvious tactic she employs in character), and after using gravity manip to deal with it (here it comes all the BS of where are the showings ignoring the fact I've already stated she's never to my knowledge used that offensively but only to fly and to levitate others, well levitating a trident away from its owner is an example of it also and if pushed I'm pretty sure she once levitated Lashina's lash out of her reach a one time only feat) and that IIRC I said she could either phase thru or simply port out of its way. Given it was an option I offered after several others I've offered feats of and the porting one is a common use of the MR. Given that I've stated several times it's not often used and not likely, and that I offered feats for all the often used options that I presented ahead of it. But no I get called out for not supporting what I said, but the only thing I didn't support I've stared a few times isn't likely. I'm totally confused and bewildered. Pot kettle

I also like how the guy who accuses others of false scaling then goes off and false scales. The whole question is Orion >> than Barda is such a joke. Last I checked Orion has a mother box which means he has access to gear with the same capability as Barda. So what differentiates them is their physicals. Since he's stronger, faster and more durable of course he's above her.

Did the fact that I've said from the outset that Arthur wins in a pure hand to hand fight not demonstrate that I agree he'd above her physically? I mean he's stronger and has greater physical durability, speednis arguable but also on his side. The only advantage she has in pure H2H is greater skill and its not enough to compensate for the shortcomings.

Darksaint, I believe "Time and Time Again"


When Superman survives being at the center of a collapsing Sun Eater (Thry eat stars and even Validus was scared to be inside one.


Than there's the JLA story where Starbreaker KO's him with a super nova in a bubble.

Or that time the eradicator dragged him to the sun and dropped him in, before sun dipping was a viable amp, and it hurt him like anyone else.



Plenty of examples to choose from in the era well beyond continental level.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Byrne Superman was still more powerful than any Aquaman we have seen.

In every way.

I still like the bloodthirst feat (Or whoever the dime store Apocalypse clone was), where he gets caught in a time dilation ray where days are passing in moments from his perspective, and he keeps ramping up his speed until he can catch him.


I bet he exceeded Wally West speed by miles, I wish there were calcs to how fast he was there.

Not to mention Diana was fighting back said Darkness while being possessed. We legit see her pages prior overpowering Hunter who wanted to kill her.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Future Aquaman had hunter prince on his knees in one hit, Prince was about to kill Diana.

EcstaticGrace : well, that's just skill innit?

Aquaman isn't strong enough to almost kill Diana. Yeah, because we are removing showings because a writer doesn't likes the character.

A lot of writers have Aquaman hold his own against heavy hitters though.


Ever since Byrne made a point with Aquaman holding off Dreadnaut and Psi Phon with Supermans powers, if not before that.

Originally posted by cdtm
A lot of writers have Aquaman hold his own against heavy hitters though.


Ever since Byrne made a point with Aquaman holding off Dreadnaut and Psi Phon with Supermans powers, if not before that.

During Panic in the Sky, Aquaman was claiming he was fighting invaders almost as strong as Superman himself. Could of just been a statement and nothing else but Jurgens put it out there.

So was Batman, just saying....

Originally posted by cdtm
A lot of writers have Aquaman hold his own against heavy hitters though.


Ever since Byrne made a point with Aquaman holding off Dreadnaut and Psi Phon with Supermans powers, if not before that.

For those unfamiliar, we were initially presented with Psi-Phon taking/transfering powers from someone and giving them to Dreadnaught. We later find out it's actually Psi-Phon telepathically disables powers and Dreadnaught duplicates powers.

When Superman faces them again in AOS #469, and resists Psi-Phon's telepathy, well Dreadnaught only accomplishes anything with a sucker punch. After that it was just embarrassing.

Here's the fight with Aquaman.

https://bit.ly/3zkf68e

https://bit.ly/3Ci6hO2

https://bit.ly/3tMsPna

Here's Superman in AOS #469.

https://bit.ly/3ziJSOU

https://bit.ly/3hJFfaC

https://bit.ly/3tRrhYQ. (Stilt is gonna have a field day with that one)

https://bit.ly/3i2wRmT

https://bit.ly/2Za1lfZ

https://bit.ly/3ly5YrD

https://bit.ly/3kkTXGJ

https://bit.ly/2XzyD7P

In addition to this, we have Clark beating up Dreadnaught when he was duplicating his powers plus Elongated Man/Aquaman/Martian Manhunter/Captain Marvel. But it's unclear if the force field belt was the sole reason, was part of it, or just an excuse for why Clark Kent was beating someone with the stacked power of 5 superheros. Plus there's Captain Marvel's fight with Dreadnaught before his powers were disabled and copied. Basically, Dreadnaught doesn't look like he was as powerful as those he copied.

Originally posted by Delta1938
For those unfamiliar, we were initially presented with Psi-Phon taking/transfering powers from someone and giving them to Dreadnaught. We later find out it's actually Psi-Phon telepathically disables powers and Dreadnaught duplicates powers.

When Superman faces them again in AOS #469, and resists Psi-Phon's telepathy, well Dreadnaught only accomplishes anything with a sucker punch. After that it was just embarrassing.

Here's the fight with Aquaman.

https://bit.ly/3zkf68e

https://bit.ly/3Ci6hO2

https://bit.ly/3tMsPna

Here's Superman in AOS #469.

https://bit.ly/3ziJSOU

https://bit.ly/3hJFfaC

https://bit.ly/3tRrhYQ. (Stilt is gonna have a field day with that one)

https://bit.ly/3i2wRmT

https://bit.ly/2Za1lfZ

https://bit.ly/3ly5YrD

https://bit.ly/3kkTXGJ

https://bit.ly/2XzyD7P

In addition to this, we have Clark beating up Dreadnaught when he was duplicating his powers plus Elongated Man/Aquaman/Martian Manhunter/Captain Marvel. But it's unclear if the force field belt was the sole reason, was part of it, or just an excuse for why Clark Kent was beating someone with the stacked power of 5 superheros. Plus there's Captain Marvel's fight with Dreadnaught before his powers were disabled and copied. Basically, Dreadnaught doesn't look like he was as powerful as those he copied.


Yeah, the Clark Kent scene was unclear.


I'd guess it was a combination of force feeding him and his powers shorting out, plus the force field amping him, only explanation that makes sense. And is essentially what Clark explained.

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, the Clark Kent scene was unclear.


I'd guess it was a combination of force feeding him and his powers shorting out, plus the force field amping him, only explanation that makes sense. And is essentially what Clark explained.

It was Psi-Phon suffering on "overload." At least it didn't seem like Dreadnaught was hurt by it. Psi-Phon was hurting even before disabling Cap's powers.

Originally posted by Delta1938
It was Psi-Phon suffering on "overload." At least it didn't seem like Dreadnaught was hurt by it. Psi-Phon was hurting even before disabling Cap's powers.

Yeah, you're right.

Just trying to avoid the inevitable "Non feat for Aquaman because clearly imperfect weak arsed powers" line.

Double post

Originally posted by cdtm
Yeah, you're right.

Just trying to avoid the inevitable "Non feat for Aquaman because clearly imperfect weak arsed powers" line.

Say it.

Punching someone isn't physically out muscling someone, you learn new stuff everyday.

Knocking someone down and bringing someone to his knees are two different things.

What are you even arguing about now? Do you want me to make a Byrne Superman vs Aquaman thread?

How does all this relate to Arthur and Barda?

Originally posted by -Pr-
How does all this relate to Arthur and Barda?

It started with EG using the gas station explosion to down play Barda against Superman.

Superman wankers needed a full decade to eradicate the Thorbags.

And now... a single Aquaman fanboy will be the death of them all, lol.

Gotta say, I'm enjoying the show. Keep doing what you're doing, Sextatic. Make them bleed.

Originally posted by Delta1938
The irony is delicious.

You finding out how you guys been contradicting yourself. I thought it tasted a bit salty, but you seem like a salt licker 🙃

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
You finding out how you guys been contradicting yourself. I thought it tasted a bit salty, but you seem like a salt licker 🙃

For this to have even a hint of credibility instead of delusion, I want you to tell me why you lied about Darkseid getting mugged.

Mind showing an equivalent showing for Aquaman?

Okay, I read the last two pages...

Using Byrne Superman to scale anything is a mistake, first of all. Dude was all over the place. And the gas station isn't Byrne Superman, but I'm sure you all knew that.

Is there nobody on the board that's secretly a huge Barda fan that can show us what she's capable of? We usually have one for most characters.

EG, are you going to acknowledge your grave error on Darkseid getting mugged? You didn't read your own link.

What have Aquaman punching a god who punched Rebirth Wonder Woman and dealt no visible damage, or Superman, even to do with Aquaman vs Big Barda?

Barda stomps. She no sold lava, and some writers have had Aquaman get tripped by secretaries, pussy out of kicking corporate ass and getting wrecked by a dolphin and swordfish.

/-_DsPNgfFIk

Hey, I didn't say it was the main canon.

Originally posted by Delta1938
Barda stomps. She no sold lava, and some writers have had Aquaman get tripped by secretaries, pussy out of kicking corporate ass and getting wrecked by a dolphin and swordfish.

/-_DsPNgfFIk

Hey, I didn't say it was the main canon.
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https://ifunny.co/picture/hi-my-name-s-attention-i-heard-you-re-looking-UgOw891Y6

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
https://ifunny.co/picture/hi-my-name-s-attention-i-heard-you-re-looking-UgOw891Y6

https://ifunny.co/picture/hi-my-name-s-attention-i-heard-you-re-looking-UgOw891Y6

I'm sure that makes you feel better about your failure.

You said--



No, I didn't claim he wasn't mugged. I said from the beginning what actually happened.

Originally posted by Delta1938


You dismissed someone bringing up Darkseid, by using Darkseid getting mugged. Which.....was Darkseid powerless and not even canon. :-/

https://www.cbr.com/i-love-ya-but-youre-strange-that-time-darkseid-got-mugged/

Your mental gymnastics to justify using it despite it not being canon is as irrelevant as it is retarded, but even ignoring that stupidity it had context. I mean how Darkseid got effected isn't even how I've ever seen it work in canon, but you gotta use this to make your retarded argument.

All to justify you using the Starro example. You claim Morrison didn't write a weak Orion, but I know you can't prove it. But tell me, what did Morrison have Orion do for you to claim this? Or are you going to say I'm just seeking attention because you don't want to admit you have nothing?

I think part of the problem here is that in comics, durability and strength usually go hand in hand. It's rare when we have one without the other, and when it does happen the occurrences are pretty extreme (Brit, Butterball), or BS magic is involved (pressure points, like Luke Cage and BP).

So when someone get hurt (as in the case of Hunter Prince or whatever), it's usually the case that the person doing the hurting is stronger and more durable, even if they don't have pure lifting feats for comparison.

Nope, doesn't matter. We can't assume the scepter was that powerful because Aquaman has been koed by far less.

I provided 2 feats for the blast of Barda's MR not just one.
You only dismiss the Superman feat because of failed (proven by others shown feat) power equating for Superman's level of the era. You haven't said anything to address the durability level of Matrix supergirl.

As I've shown she has tanked the heat vision of pre crisis Supergirl and has scaled physically to her. Unlike Superman she doesn't have low showings to bring her durability ranking down

Both the Matrix and Superman incident were written by the Sam writter less than a dozen issues apart in Action comics. The fact that Mateix was one shot ans Superman tool 2 shots before falling is clear evidence of where said writer places Superman's durability.

You've hung everything aledgedly invalidating scaling by referencing a single feat of Superman succumbing to a gas station explosion that its already been explained to you by Delta has context and now by PR that it isn't even the era in question.

I could just as easily low ball Arthur by the time he was put down by Hawkman (who at best has 15 ton strength, and 20 ton striking with just his mace and not the claw of Horus), or his hand eaten off by piranha, or him being nested and dropped by bloodsport.

I haven't because I don't lowball. I apply an average of all feats in scaling, and those are all stupid lows that should be ignored.

As I've already said since said writer showed Superman more durable than Matrix the two feats validate the SupermN feat as well above any low. Just continue to fire off the same repeated failed arguments that have been shot to pieces. For someone accusing someone of not offering proof at least mine has been canon and in context

A few other things I hadn't thought of at the time, EG.

Whether it's your intent or not, you pretty much are arguing "only Aquaman can have his good feats, because I've seen/heard if some low showings those characters are questionable at best." For the most part people aren't bringing up poor showings for Aquaman, but you're bringing up poor showings for other characters, not even counting the out of context and non canon Darkseid mugging. Now that Abhi is doing it, are you going to complain?

Your argument against scaling examples is as if people are saying "Barda KOed X so only their highest feats count." Can you quote anybody doing that? If not either this is just dumb, or you're making strawman.

Random Apokolipsian small arms have been shown to hurt Orion and stated able to kill him(although he's avoided those), so why is it so far fetched a better established weapon can hurt Top-Tier bricks? New God tech is pretty hax in general.

And you never actually answered me on Aquaman's durability feats. You only cited the continent level feat, and I strongly suspect it's not from the period I asked for to compare his durability to Orion. Even if it is from that period.....Orion has better. So this is why I say yes, Morrison did write a weak Orion. This is a big part of your argument for Aquaman, saying Orion>Barda.

Darkseid had lost his powers in that scene

Originally posted by abhilegend
Darkseid had lost his powers in that scene

The mugging? Or him needing a crowbar to break in the store? Either way, yeah, I brought it up as well as being non canon. But the scan I posted also says he lost them.