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This is not a gauntlet. Assign 1 weakest character that can beat one or another of the following. You can use the same character twice . You can even use characters on the list that can beat some others on the list.

Under forum rules . Bloodlusted.

No Bfr.

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Apocalypse
Invisible Woman
Aquaman
Hulk
Wolverine
Quicksilver
Sebastian Shaw
Nova
Blue Marvel
Doctor Doom
Loki
Nate Grey
Maxima
Wonder Woman

Odin

Both sides have full capacity/bloodlust? Because there are some toughies there. You'd need a speedster for the telepaths, at the very least. Or speedster telepaths - Martian Manhunter, ironically, should do well on paper....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Both sides have full capacity/bloodlust? Because there are some toughies there. You'd need a speedster for the telepaths, at the very least. Or speedster telepaths - Martian Manhunter, ironically, should do well on paper.... Yep, full capacity.

I'll try to throw my names for each one of them in a bit.

Invisible Woman - Hydroman
Wolverine - Mr Fantastic
Quicksilver - I want to say Spot, but that depends on how much you can push his portals.
Shaw - The Atom
Nova - Surfer

Off the top of my head. Will think on the others.

But lolz at Odin being needed to fight Logan.

too much work bro

Off the top of my head

Invisible Woman - Psylocke
Aquaman - maybe Elijah Snow
Hulk - I want to say Hank Pym. Or Blink.
Wolverine - Venom
Quicksilver - Domino
Sebastian Shaw - Elijah Snow
Nova - Beta Ray Bill or Cable
Blue Marvel - need to think about it more
Doctor Doom - not sure.. maybe Supergirl
Loki - Magik
Nate Grey - Flash
Wonder Woman - Cable

Originally posted by Smurph
Off the top of my head

Invisible Woman - Psylocke
Aquaman - maybe Elijah Snow
Hulk - I want to say Hank Pym. Or Blink.
Wolverine - Venom
Quicksilver - Domino
Sebastian Shaw - Elijah Snow
Nova - Beta Ray Bill or Cable
Blue Marvel - need to think about it more
Doctor Doom - not sure.. maybe Supergirl
Loki - Magik
Nate Grey - Flash
Wonder Woman - Cable

cable beating wonder woman? how?

Edit

Is breaking his board considered a high end feat? I have a hard time seeing him beat her for the majority.

Saint has it right though a speedster should beat them all except maybe the magic users and for those maybe a high end durable brick

Batman, the master preparer

Originally posted by Smurph
Off the top of my head

Invisible Woman - Psylocke
Aquaman - maybe Elijah Snow
Hulk - I want to say Hank Pym. Or Blink.
Wolverine - Venom
Quicksilver - Domino
Sebastian Shaw - Elijah Snow
Nova - Beta Ray Bill or Cable
Blue Marvel - need to think about it more
Doctor Doom - not sure.. maybe Supergirl
Loki - Magik
Nate Grey - Flash
Wonder Woman - Cable
Venom is overkill for Wolverine, Spidey should do.
Supergirl is an odd choice against a magic-user, and 10/10 is not guaranteed because of that.
Cable gets blitzed before he even thinks of doing anything, 10/10 is absolute delusional.

I think if she's bloodlusted at full capacity, then yeah she would decisively beat him.

Also, I would have Aquarian for Quicksilver, and Nova Rider.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is breaking his board considered a high end feat? I have a hard time seeing him beat her for the majority.

Saint has it right though a speedster should beat them all except maybe the magic users and for those maybe a high end durable brick

Or haxxers, like Black Alice or Magik. Or Fate (Jared Stevens).

Other people to be considered here for this thread: Nemesis Kid, Fantomex, Judomaster, Purple Man (maybe lol), Crimson Avenger.

Lol @ FTL Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Lol @ FTL Wonder Woman.
Lol@ not FTL Wonder Woman if bloodlusted at full capacity, have some users in this thread hit their head against something very hard?

Wonder Woman is as much FTL as Stilt is sober. I've read pretty much every Wonder Woman comic and you can count her combat speed beyond hypersonic level on your fingers.

She isn't as weak as comicvine troll think but FTL? Cmon dude, thats quora stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman is as much FTL as Stilt is sober. I've read pretty much every Wonder Woman comic and you can count her combat speed beyond hypersonic level on your fingers.

She isn't as weak as comicvine troll think but FTL? Cmon dude, thats quora stuff.
You must be around as sober as Stiltman to think Wonder Woman would be just hypersonic if going full speed, mind telling me how Wonder Woman can go inter-planetary distances and outspeed souls that go through a solar system in short time while she would be just going hypersonic?


https://i.ibb.co/PgM91z3/7473896-rco013-1594720838.jpg

Heck for Diana as a child, was deflecting light darts, literally childs play already:

https://i.ibb.co/42VBfPF/RCO008-1561618535.jpg



https://i.ibb.co/2dBq931/RCO017-1561618535.jpg

I know that comicvine is bad, and isn't quora just a question-answer website, but to say a bloodlusted Wonder Woman at full capacity is going merely hypersonic is harcore Marvel fanboys who try to make a case for Rouge or Storm tier of trolling. Which DC Herald tier is even that slow?

Yeah, flight speed is fine (pretty much the first time she was ever shown that fast in space) but that's not combat speed.

I can show you batman dodging light beams from Dr Light and Spider-Man has nearly a dozen such feats. Doesn't makes them FTL. When you show Diana actually fighting (not bullrushing) or blocking projectiles, do let me know.

Apocalypse - Magneto
Invisible Woman - Hydroman, Mercury, any liquidy characters with no organs.
Aquaman - Cyclops riding on Colossus' shoulders, with Pym particles
Hulk - Immortal? Savage? I assume you mean Immortal, so....Black Panther.
Wolverine - Reed, or Omega Red
Quicksilver - Aquarian
Sebastian Shaw - The Atom. Or, Dracula. Or Purple Man. Or Mastermind. Really, any good illusionist or TP user should do the trick.
Nova - Aquarian again
Blue Marvel - John Stewart
Doctor Doom - Tough, as he has both magic and tech (plus has h2h skills too). Atom, again.
Loki - Magik, Black Alice
Nate Grey -Is he Shaman level? Fantomex
Maxima - Invisible Woman
Wonder Woman - Zzax

I wonder if he's going to take the bait

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, flight speed is fine (pretty much the first time she was ever shown that fast in space) but that's not combat speed.

I can show you batman dodging light beams from Dr Light and Spider-Man has nearly a dozen such feats. Doesn't makes them FTL. When you show Diana actually fighting (not bullrushing) or blocking projectiles, do let me know.

If Wonder Woman can push Superman at faster than light speed away, she can ram lethally into Cable at faster than light speed too, with or without weapon.

I literally just showed you how Diana as a child deflected weaponized light mid-combat which isn't possible without being fast enough to move that fast in combat as a character without Spider senses, and you are seriously comparing a Herald tier with Batman and Spidey, how hard have you hit your head on something?

Is heat vision of an evil Superman that Wonder Woman can deflect precise enough while swinging her sword to hit Bizzaro in the eye now also merely hypersonic?

https://i.ibb.co/Bqv5kS0/vtmIEcN.jpg

Or will you go with Batman or other outliers of the street to low meta tier again as excuse, and should we maybe put Darkseid into Meta tier at best, because of certain Batman scenes involving Omega beams for example?

Is his heat vision light based? I always thought it was concussive with heat being a side effect

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is his heat vision light based? I always thought it was concussive with heat being a side effect

https://i.imgur.com/RLB0w8r.jpeg

GodofNature, why don't you just post the scans of WW Vs Supergirl where she specifically says WW is too fast for her?

Same storyline had SG fighting evenly with a (holding back) Flash....

Originally posted by GodofNature
https://i.imgur.com/RLB0w8r.jpeg

That didn't help. Explain what is going on with the scene

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is his heat vision light based? I always thought it was concussive with heat being a side effect
Yeah, It is a light-based power. Basically reflecting and amplifying photons
https://ibb.co/CwXMy9S

Originally posted by GodofNature
If Wonder Woman can push Superman at faster than light speed away, she can ram lethally into Cable at faster than light speed too, with or without weapon.

Yeah, if he was near the sun and she had enough time to accelerate, probably. Not in a forum fight though. She isn't that fast.

Batman literally dodged HV after Superman had fired it at him where it was stated as sunlight too.

Yes.

Funny how when Batman does it (consistently) its outlier but not when Diana does it?

Originally posted by GodofNature
https://i.imgur.com/RLB0w8r.jpeg

Breaking news, Batman is FTL.

https://i.postimg.cc/xdhPrvp8/33-009.jpg

Also learn to post thumbnails.

I am perfectly happy with this

I change my answers to Batman with an adamantium knife.

Originally posted by GodofNature
Venom is overkill for Wolverine, Spidey should do.


Don't be ridiculous, Nvr.

Logan has assraped Brock several times.

Parker can't do any lasting damage and his webbing doesn't last, either.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Wolverine - Mr Fantastic


His track record against blades is admirable, but against everything else... not so much.

He is F4's Hank McCoy, don't ever forget that.

https://i.ibb.co/fpWtJMq/mrf1.jpg

Reed's melee career summed up in one panel:

https://i.ibb.co/F7SWxss/mrf2.png

Yet, in Enemy of the State:
https://i.imgur.com/YxcfqxW.jpeg

He can be choked out, and a bloodlusted Logan isn't sheathing his claws....

And FF 374:
https://i.postimg.cc/k21DSyqX/RCO016-1469219646.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yet, in Enemy of the State:
https://i.imgur.com/YxcfqxW.jpeg

Not just EOTS. "New FF" arc, too. I'm well aware of those, but since Reed has to beat him 10/10 and we're using Logan at his best...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He can be choked out, and a bloodlusted Logan isn't sheathing his claws....

He's been shown to be smart even when giving himself to his berserker nature, as confirmed by Forge and Xavier and so on.

Even if he's not sheathing them, he still has his legs, which worked just fine

And his absurd MA skills can help, too. As you know, Reed's list of weaknesses is quite long:

https://i.ibb.co/BNd37cs/reed.png

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not just EOTS. "New FF" arc, too. I'm well aware of those, but since Reed has to beat him 10/10 and we're using Logan at his best...



He's been shown to be smart even when giving himself to his berserker nature, as confirmed by Forge and Xavier and so on.

Even if he's not sheathing them, he still has his legs, which worked just fine

And his absurd MA skills can help, too. As you know, Reed's list of weaknesses is quite long:

https://i.ibb.co/BNd37cs/reed.png

But remember, this is also Reed at his best -not to mention, your tactics (pressure points, kicking, maybe even headbutting) all depend on Logan actually being able to kick/punch etc.

He wouldn't if he's all wrapped up, with no room to move/leverage.

Interesting take on Reed. Nice scans

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Apocalypse - Magneto
Invisible Woman - Hydroman, Mercury, any liquidy characters with no organs.
Aquaman - Cyclops riding on Colossus' shoulders, with Pym particles
Hulk - Immortal? Savage? I assume you mean Immortal, so....Black Panther.
Wolverine - Reed, or Omega Red
Quicksilver - Aquarian
Sebastian Shaw - The Atom. Or, Dracula. Or Purple Man. Or Mastermind. Really, any good illusionist or TP user should do the trick.
Nova - Aquarian again
Blue Marvel - John Stewart
Doctor Doom - Tough, as he has both magic and tech (plus has h2h skills too). Atom, again.
Loki - Magik, Black Alice
Nate Grey -Is he Shaman level? Fantomex
Maxima - Invisible Woman
Wonder Woman - Zzax

Or The Spot for Wolverine, just because he's even more of a loser, just for Stilt

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But remember, this is also Reed at his best -not to mention, your tactics (pressure points, kicking, maybe even headbutting) all depend on Logan actually being able to kick/punch etc.

He wouldn't if he's all wrapped up, with no room to move/leverage.

Fair enough... I'm just having a really, really, really hard time imagining Reed beating... well... anyone... 10 out of 10 times.

In theory, he should be a beast against h2h fighters. Nobody can argue that.

Is he? No. You don't even need powers to give him a run for his money.

Someone like Whirly would probably kill him. Accidentally.

So he is like a marvel Martian Manjobber in h2h?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or The Spot for Wolverine, just because he's even more of a loser, just for Stilt

Spot doesn't fare well against enhanced senses, does he now?

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
So he is like a marvel Martian Manjobber in h2h?

Worse... he is a nerd who forgets he has a wife and family, he probably spends his time discussing math with Astner, Magnon and... h1a8.

Manjobber is just a really depressed alien. Cure his depression and I'm sure he can get a few decent feats.

Apocalypse. Vision
Invisible Woman Shadowcat
Aquaman Sandman
Hulk Havok
Wolverine Blink
Quicksilver Colossus
Sebastian Shaw Metamorpho
Nova Zatanna
Blue Marvel .... Bill
Doctor Doom Constantine
Loki Xavier
Nate Grey Ares
Maxima Rambeau
Wonder Woman Mysterio

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spot doesn't fare well against enhanced senses, does he now?

No different than normal senses; DD detected them because the music changed:

https://i.postimg.cc/sDTSt9r0/Daredevil-001-003.jpg

His senses didn't tell him where the portals were going to open, only that they had already opened. And tbf, anyone with sight would be able to detect them, because....they're black discs, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Both sides have full capacity/bloodlust? That changes things drastically in Spot's favor.

He can simply open a Spothole in front of the enemy and connect it to one opened in space and suck him/her out.

Or when Logan stabs, the claws get ported into his brain and left there.

It's in the process of opening, iirc? It was widening?

And he effortlessly punked Spot's ass there, didn't he?

Makes me think senses do help a little with that --- same as they do with Kurt's teleportation.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Or when Logan stabs, the claws get ported into his brain and left there.

Good tactic, but Spot never opened a portal inside anyone.

*heavy breathing*

the... possibilities...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
It's in the process of opening, iirc? It was widening?

And he effortlessly punked Spot's ass there, didn't he?

Makes me think senses do help a little with that --- same as they do with Kurt's teleportation.

Well same way I see a black disc opening up in front of me with my eyes..... it won't tell me where next. There's no sulphur smell or change in the air before it appears.

Once it appears then yeah, anyone can use their senses to detect it.

And you're right, he hasn't - he can still stab Logan in his heart.

Jackal (using Spots powers) did use internal portals, though, so if we want to go that route, just swap Jackal in for Spot lol.

I still believe it can be detected a fraction of the second before it fully opens.

There's no sulphur, but Wolverine is able to sense a perfect bit of nothing... remember the Fantomex sewers scene?



Which, at Logan's best, can't even stop him from fighting back



Now that's something new.

And Jackal-Jackal is definitely psycho enough to try that, so no wonder he did.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Is his heat vision light based? I always thought it was concussive with heat being a side effect

The only time I read it clearly defined was Superman telling a Jor-El(some other alien unknowingly turned Kryptonian on the genetic level, and to be Jor-El) that it's a waste byproduct of their solar metabolism. He's projected heat vision to just firing blinding light, and other instances if only a certain wavelength, like x-rays and microwaves.

Byrne did imply it was telekinesis creating a microwave like effect(exciting molecular movement) but only implied and I don't believe any other writer went the "his powers are partially TK" route.

Pre-CRISIS it was heat as a side effect of his x-ray vision before making it just heat vision.

It's not Jackal, it's Coyote.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I am perfectly happy with this

I change my answers to Batman with an adamantium knife. They said weakest characters you can think of. Not the strongest.

Originally posted by Smurph
Off the top of my head

Invisible Woman - Psylocke
Aquaman - maybe Elijah Snow
Hulk - I want to say Hank Pym. Or Blink.
Wolverine - Venom
Quicksilver - Domino
Sebastian Shaw - Elijah Snow
Nova - Beta Ray Bill or Cable
Blue Marvel - need to think about it more
Doctor Doom - not sure.. maybe Supergirl
Loki - Magik
Nate Grey - Flash
Wonder Woman - Cable

Without BFR? How would Hank/Blink defeat Hulk

TOAA

Originally posted by abhilegend
TOAA maybe the first time when Superman is assessing him. After that Superman puts him to sleep.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I still believe it can be detected a fraction of the second before it fully opens.

There's no sulphur, but Wolverine is able to sense a perfect bit of nothing... remember the Fantomex sewers scene?



Which, at Logan's best, can't even stop him from fighting back



Now that's something new.

And Jackal-Jackal is definitely psycho enough to try that, so no wonder he did.

Yeah, so I misremembered - it was Coyote who was using Spot's powers.

He did a whole campaign to mess with DD - stole his father's remains and put them in Foggy's office, took his crazy ex-wife from hospital and put her in bed (then back), killed mob bosses under his nose, stole his billy club - and DD was unable to detect any of it.

Killing mob bosses:
https://i.postimg.cc/Z0B14pTN/Daredevil-018-017.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/JDtSyBZ9/Daredevil-018-018.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/MfQ452s5/Daredevil-018-019.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/KkVwtv54/Daredevil-018-020.jpg

Ex-wives:
https://i.postimg.cc/Wh0CJVqb/Daredevil-018-008.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/LJR7tWjk/Daredevil-018-011.jpg

And stealing the billy club (and putting it back), which is probably the most impressive feat:
https://i.postimg.cc/ZWcQVLLG/Daredevil-019-003.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7CZWcTsf/Daredevil-019-005.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/d7NxKtpn/Daredevil-019-006.jpg

Wait a minute, why are some people saying Hydroman can take ANY wins vs Invisible Woman (never mind a majority)? Did I miss something recently?

Because the bubble in the brain won't work, and at his full capacity (although amped so maybe I reached a bit lol) he can control the moisture in one's body.

He did that more than one time, DS.

you fill my holes

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Because the bubble in the brain won't work, and at his full capacity (although amped so maybe I reached a bit lol) he can control the moisture in one's body. Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He did that more than one time, DS.
Wow, Marvel finally giving Hydroman some respect? I mean he's basically a male version of Mera but in full elemental form. He should be beastly.

KMC has turned Pym and Blink into Herald/Trans tier level characters, lmao.

Like Black Panther, I suppose.

Originally posted by zopzop
Wow, Marvel finally giving Hydroman some respect?

No.

We're talking about years old showings.

A spidey villain will always be a spidey villain, Wolverine uses them quite literally as a cheap toilet paper.

Almost all of Spideys villians are above his weight class on paper. It's the smarts department where they lack

Especially Enforcers, Circus of Crime, Kangaroo and Slyde, amrite? vin

There is like a dozen of evil geniuses with superpowers facing him.

What Parker really has is luck and writer's armor, same as every other protagonist.

As for raw power, he fluctuates like crazy. Guys like Straczynski and Slott will wank him as a sub-herald, while others will have him gangbanged by street thugs.

Gotcha. Kinda like wolverine

Originally posted by abhilegend
Wonder Woman is as much FTL as Stilt is sober. I've read pretty much every Wonder Woman comic and you can count her combat speed beyond hypersonic level on your fingers.

She isn't as weak as comicvine troll think but FTL? Cmon dude, thats quora stuff.

what about the god shards feat

That's on one finger

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's on one finger

what do you mean

It's one showing is what he's saying.

What we should have, as an addendum, is.....hmm. Maybe I'll steal phildos thread.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No.

We're talking about years old showings.

Bah! Back to hating Marvel then.

Bump.

Apocalypse - Comet (MLJ/Archie) with gear he blocked Brain Emperors TP in their encounter which protected them after. Depowered SA era version had gearbto counter all other abilities.

Invisible Woman - nighrcrawler
Aquaman - heat wave
Hulk - rainbow raider (his gear projects colousnthat affect mood he calms Hulk to banner)
Wolverine - Crimson Fox (it's proven his sons pheromones work on him so so should Vivians)
Quicksilver - turtle saw force vs speed
Sebastian Shaw - longshot (he was just going to be my answer for anyone I couldn't think of for)
Nova
Blue Marvel - karate Kid
Doctor Doom-
Loki- Dr Occult disk of the 7 undoes Loki's magic
Nate Grey
Maxima
Wonder Woman