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Everybody likes some vampire hunting here and now, and Hugo Danner is no different. He has been sent on a mission by his old friend Charlie Swan to hunt down a pack of sparkly ones that have been hounding his daughter. Hugo Danner understanding that a friend in a need is a friend indeed decides to take care of things for him.

How does one of the many inspirations for Superman handle this pack of predatory blood suckers? Can Hugo Danner put an end to their reign of terror?

Bloodlust: On

Knowledge: Charlie Swan has given Hugo Danner the rundown on what vampires in Twilight are capable of, and their weaknesses.

Preparation: Hugo Danner only has one hour of preparation.

Arena: The fight will happen in Forks, Washington.

Winning Condition: In order to win Hugo Danner must either incapacitate or kill The Cullen Family.

Canon: Composite for both. Which means everything is free to use. From either the books, comic book adaptations, or movies.

That's about the whole of it. Hugo Danner dusts off his copy of Vampire Hunting for Dummies, and gets started.

Danner got stopped by a cannon, he is stronger and slower. Durability probably about the same. Cullen kill him imo.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Danner got stopped by a cannon, he is stronger and slower. Durability probably about the same. Cullen kill him imo.
It was a howitzer, and it actually failed to kill him. Howitzer's can pierce through a dozen meters (forty feet) of solid concrete and earth. It only drew some blood. He does have a weakness against electricity though. As it was a lightning bolt that killed him in the end of the book. Though The Cullen Family can't do anything like control the weather so it's not really an option here.

He is fast enough to escape bullets, able to lift many tons, tear trees out from their roots, and leap over a hundred yards into the air.

https://i.imgur.com/FwduwOb.png

https://i.imgur.com/pTh6QoE.png

He is bullet-proof.

https://i.imgur.com/usb9j1l.png

In terms of strength? His best feat was bending a vault door that was five feet worth of steel (in terms of thickness, the width of the door was seven feet). Which is impressive as steel has a tensile strength of 40000~60900 pounds per square inch.

https://i.imgur.com/mZMywkE.png

https://i.imgur.com/EKYyn9X.png

He best jumping feat was when he leaped all the way to the top of the mountains of Colorado.

https://i.imgur.com/73ex05Ol.png

He is faster than any locomotive but besides also escaping bullets? He can cross distances of twenty miles in a few minutes. If it was just two minutes it would be 600 mph. If it was instead five minutes it would be 240 mph. Anything more than that really wouldn't fall under a "few" so I figure that's a good low to high end to use.

https://i.imgur.com/RFTPafFl.png

The finally there is his overall endurance. He was able to survive a direct hit from a shell that came from a howitzer. Then he proceeded to decimate the German front on his lonesome. After his best friend was murdered, and in his berserk fury forced them to retreat. If it wasn't for his stamina? He would have gone on to destroy Germany itself.

https://i.imgur.com/j9GLBcIl.png

https://i.imgur.com/8Qm8Pmhl.png

https://i.imgur.com/0i0JlJVl.png

Nice scans

Originally posted by Duke Togo
It was a howitzer, and it actually failed to kill him. Howitzer's can pierce through a dozen meters (forty feet) of solid concrete and earth. It only drew some blood. He does have a weakness against electricity though. As it was a lightning bolt that killed him in the end of the book. Though The Cullen Family can't do anything like control the weather so it's not really an option here.

He is fast enough to escape bullets, able to lift many tons, tear trees out from their roots, and leap over a hundred yards into the air.

https://i.imgur.com/FwduwOb.png

https://i.imgur.com/pTh6QoE.png

He is bullet-proof.

https://i.imgur.com/usb9j1l.png

In terms of strength? His best feat was bending a vault door that was five feet worth of steel (in terms of thickness, the width of the door was seven feet). Which is impressive as steel has a tensile strength of 40000~60900 pounds per square inch.

https://i.imgur.com/mZMywkE.png

https://i.imgur.com/EKYyn9X.png

He best jumping feat was when he leaped all the way to the top of the mountains of Colorado.

https://i.imgur.com/73ex05Ol.png

He is faster than any locomotive but besides also escaping bullets? He can cross distances of twenty miles in a few minutes. If it was just two minutes it would be 600 mph. If it was instead five minutes it would be 240 mph. Anything more than that really wouldn't fall under a "few" so I figure that's a good low to high end to use.

https://i.imgur.com/RFTPafFl.png

The finally there is his overall endurance. He was able to survive a direct hit from a shell that came from a howitzer. Then he proceeded to decimate the German front on his lonesome. After his best friend was murdered, and in his berserk fury forced them to retreat. If it wasn't for his stamina? He would have gone on to destroy Germany itself.

https://i.imgur.com/j9GLBcIl.png

https://i.imgur.com/8Qm8Pmhl.png

https://i.imgur.com/0i0JlJVl.png never said he got killed. He got stopped and recovered in the field Hospital before he went off on the boat. He loses. A Howitzer is a kind of Canon...

Current U.S. military doctrine defines howitzers as any cannon artillery capable of both high-angle (45° to 90° elevation) and low-angle (0° to 45° elevation) fire; guns are defined as being only capable of low-angle fire (0° to 45° elevation); and mortars are defined as being only capable of high-angle fire (45° to 90 ).

poor guy got perma banned

Hugo Danner is likely one of the inspirations for Superman. But the Twi-Vamps would tear his ass apart, Edward could do it solo.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hugo Danner is likely one of the inspirations for Superman. But the Twi-Vamps would tear his ass apart, Edward could do it solo. He is indeed and they would indeed. I read Gladiator about 40 years ago. Don't know where my copy is now, I also have somewhere the Marvel 2 part adaptation.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
never said he got killed. He got stopped and recovered in the field Hospital before he went off on the boat. He loses. A Howitzer is a kind of Canon...

Current U.S. military doctrine defines howitzers as any cannon artillery capable of both high-angle (45° to 90° elevation) and low-angle (0° to 45° elevation) fire; guns are defined as being only capable of low-angle fire (0° to 45° elevation); and mortars are defined as being only capable of high-angle fire (45° to 90 ).

I know. I brought that up because the specific kind of cannon has a ludicrous amount of piercing power. A howitzer can rip through more than a dozen meters of solid concrete. It still failed to kill him, and didn't even knock him out. That was due to exhaustion after he decimated the German front. When he was trying to avenge Shayne.

Howitzers fire rounds weighing hundreds of pounds at speeds of 400 m/s like the Big Bertha for example in WWI. The KE of them would be more than enough to splatter Twilight vampires into bloody salsa. They're anti-tank guns.



Originally posted by MrMind
poor guy got perma banned

No idea as to why either. The person who banned me gave no reason, and all I did was post a thread in the Movie Versus section.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hugo Danner is likely one of the inspirations for Superman. But the Twi-Vamps would tear his ass apart, Edward could do it solo.

Any actual feats for the Twilight vampires that match up to even half of the stuff I provided here?

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
He is indeed and they would indeed. I read Gladiator about 40 years ago. Don't know where my copy is now, I also have somewhere the Marvel 2 part adaptation.

No, you haven't. Since you just claimed it was a howitzer that knocked him out. When that failed to do anything except give him a glorified paper cut. He went on to decimate the German front before collapsing due to exhaustion. I literally posted the whole scene.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
I know. I brought that up because the specific kind of cannon has a ludicrous amount of piercing power. A howitzer can rip through more than a dozen meters of solid concrete. It still failed to kill him, and didn't even knock him out. That was due to exhaustion after he decimated the German front. When he was trying to avenge Shayne.

Howitzers fire rounds weighing hundreds of pounds at speeds of 400 m/s like the Big Bertha for example in WWI. The KE of them would be more than enough to splatter Twilight vampires into bloody salsa. They're anti-tank guns.





No idea as to why either. The person who banned me gave no reason, and all I did was post a thread in the Movie Versus section.



Any actual feats for the Twilight vampires that match up to even half of the stuff I provided here?



No, you haven't. Since you just claimed it was a howitzer that knocked him out. When that failed to do anything except give him a glorified paper cut. He went on to decimate the German front before collapsing due to exhaustion. I literally posted the whole scene. durmask yes I did Broly.

Lmao who is this Togo haha

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
durmask yes I did Broly.

That doesn't help you at all here. Since that means you were lying instead.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao who is this Togo haha

New guy. Got banned after posting in the Movie Versus section. No explanation given. I just made a Dark City vs. Harry Potter thread.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao who is this Togo haha mmm Broly I suspect, it would take someone who is a chambord ranger to not know a howitzer is a Canon.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
mmm Broly I suspect, it would take someone who is a chambord ranger to not know a howitzer is a Canon.

I never said it wasn't a cannon, and no I am not this Broly person. I was specifying the type of cannon because you obviously don't know that cannons come in all shapes, sizes, and overall yields. I am not even a fan of DBZ. I prefer Golgo 13, and the like.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
I never said it wasn't a cannon, and no I am not this Broly person. I was specifying the type of cannon because you obviously don't know that cannons come in all shapes, sizes, and overall yields. I am not even a fan of DBZ. I prefer Golgo 13, and the like. it'll be OK Broly durmask

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0

Any actual feats for the Twilight vampires that match up to even half of the stuff I provided here?


Yes, Broly. They're in those five horrible films that make up The Twilight Saga. eg Edward has super fighting speed which makes him hard to see to the human eye, of which Hugo's sub 150mph running speed couldn't compete with. Eddy boy could also read Hugo's mind, allowing him to see what Hugo is planning before Hugo does it.

Then there's the rest of the Cullen clan...

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it'll be OK Broly durmask Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
it'll be OK Broly durmask

Alright, let's see here:

1. You outright lied about the scene, and equated all cannons as the same thing in an attempt to undermine the feat. This is like saying a 9mm hangdun, and a Mauser 1918 T-Gewehr 13.2 x 92 mm anti-tank rifle are the same thing. And surviving a shot from either have the same significance. You also tried to say the Big Bertha knocked him out. And in an even more asinine manner tried to lecture me on what a cannon is. When you were equating all cannons as the same thing. Showing us all just how ignorant you are regarding them.

2. You claim to have read it but are contradicting what happens in the excerpts provided. Which would make you a liar, and a rather horrendous one at that. You would be better off claiming you didn't read it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, Broly. They're in those five horrible films that make up The Twilight Saga. eg Edward has super fighting speed which makes him hard to see to the human eye, of which Hugo's sub 150mph running speed couldn't compete with. Eddy boy could also read Hugo's mind, allowing him to see what Hugo is planning before Hugo does it.

Then there's the rest of the Cullen clan... Broly was a big fan of Twilight. This guy doesn't even know a howitzer is a Canon.

Yeah they had precogs and telepaths, lol.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes, Broly. They're in those five horrible films that make up The Twilight Saga. eg Edward has super fighting speed which makes him hard to see to the human eye, of which Hugo's sub 150mph running speed couldn't compete with. Eddy boy could also read Hugo's mind, allowing him to see what Hugo is planning before Hugo does it.

Then there's the rest of the Cullen clan...

And you're joining in. Provide evidence that I am this Broly person.

As I already made it clear in the excerpts provided Hugo Danner is both a bullet-timer, and able to run anywhere between 240 mph to 600 mph. Being too fast for the "human eye to see" is not a quantifiable feat. On top of that Hugo Danner is both much stronger and more durable than they are.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
And you're joining in. Provide evidence that I am this Broly person.

As I already made it clear in the excerpts provided Hugo Danner is both a bullet-timer, and able to run anywhere between 240 mph to 600 mph. Being too fast for the "human eye to see" is not a quantifiable feat. On top of that Hugo Danner is both much stronger and more durable than they are. durmask if you're not Broly, Broly, why was your previous account banned mmm

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
durmask if you're not Broly, Broly, why was your previous account banned mmm

That's what I want to know. The guy doesn't even give me a reason.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
And you're joining in. Provide evidence that I am this Broly person.

As I already made it clear in the excerpts provided Hugo Danner is both a bullet-timer, and able to run anywhere between 240 mph to 600 mph. Being too fast for the "human eye to see" is not a quantifiable feat. On top of that Hugo Danner is both much stronger and more durable than they are. I really don't care, Broly :/

Sure it is, as we know how the human eye and brain works. For an object to be invisible to the human eye's ability to track, it would have to be moving in excess of 38,000 mph.

They could also see things moving in terms of sixteenths of a second etc....they had fast reactions and could think at superhuman speeds


Which doesn't bode well when they're also telepaths.

@Robtard

Then provide evidence or drop it, Robtard. That is an appropriate name by the way.

Nope, moving faster than the human eye is a trope in fiction that's often abused and doesn't actually mean they're completely invisible. This would require us to take liberties with author intent. It's often used interchangeably with anything that's difficult to see. Most people have difficulty seeing a professional baseball player throw a fast ball. That doesn't mean it's moving so fast it would burst into flames due to air compression. Which is another thing if they're that fast why aren't they on fire?

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@Robtard

Then provide evidence or drop it, Robtard. That is an appropriate name by the way.

Nope, moving faster than the human eye is a trope in fiction that's often abused and doesn't actually mean they're completely invisible. This would require us to take liberties with author intent. It's often used interchangeably with anything that's difficult to see. Most people have difficulty seeing a professional baseball player throw a fast ball. That doesn't mean it's moving so fast it would burst into flames due to air compression. Which is another thing if they're that fast why aren't they on fire? durmask

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@Robtard

Then provide evidence or drop it, Robtard. That is an appropriate name by the way.

Nope, moving faster than the human eye is a trope in fiction that's often abused and doesn't actually mean they're completely invisible. This would require us to take liberties with author intent. It's often used interchangeably with anything that's difficult to see. Most people have difficulty seeing a professional baseball player throw a fast ball. That doesn't mean it's moving so fast it would burst into flames due to air compression. Which is another thing if they're that fast why aren't they on fire?

Oh Broly...

You deciding that character feats just don't count because they ruin your biases is such a Broly thing to do. Sorry, they count, it's part of the characters.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
They could also see things moving in terms of sixteenths of a second etc....they had fast reactions and could think at superhuman speeds


Which doesn't bode well when they're also telepaths.

Lmao, this is barely above peak human reaction speed.

And Edward is the only telepath, and by feats much slower than Hugo Danner.

You know what's funny?

The scan posted by Togo the first, EXPLICITLY shows that Hugo wasn't too fast for the eye to see - Hugo's dad was able to follow him on the second go.

So the Cullens ARE quantifiably faster, lmao. Hugo isn't faster than the eye can follow, the Cullens are.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Lmao, this is barely above peak human reaction speed.

And Edward is the only telepath, and by feats much slower than Hugo Danner.

Yet your scan shows Hugo isn't faster than the human eye.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh Broly...

You deciding that character feats just don't count because they ruin your biases is such a Broly thing to do. Sorry, they count, it's part of the characters.

Your argument is flagrantly in defiance of how KE even works. Answer the question why aren't they on fire? Why can people hear them coming if they're faster than sound. Literally at several points in the books people hear them before they arrive. Which makes them subsonic.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Your argument is flagrantly in defiance of how KE even works. Answer the question why aren't they on fire? Why can people hear them coming if they're faster than sound. Literally at several points in the books people hear them before they arrive. Which makes them subsonic.

That's just a trope, like Batman being able to chat to Superman as he reassembles the Moon.

I like how you invoke 'its a trope!!!' when it suits you lmao.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TalkingIsAFreeAction

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You know what's funny?

The scan posted by Togo the first, EXPLICITLY shows that Hugo wasn't too fast for the eye to see - Hugo's dad was able to follow him on the second go.

So the Cullens ARE quantifiably faster, lmao. Hugo isn't faster than the eye can follow, the Cullens are.

Moving faster than the eye isn't quantifiable because it's almost always used in a hyperbolic fashion, and that was when Hugo Danner was much younger. Also, as I asked before. Why can anyone hear vampires move in the books before they actually arrive if they're faster than sound?

@DarkSaint85

Nope, different trope. I wasn't talking about a conversation they were having. I was talking about a character hearing them coming. Which shouldn't be possible if they're faster than sound.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Moving faster than the eye isn't quantifiable because it's almost always used in a hyperbolic fashion, and that was when Hugo Danner was much younger. Also, as I asked before. Why can anyone hear vampires move in the books before they actually arrive if they're faster than sound?

As I explained - it's a trope. I even linked to it. But good way to ignore it. Flash can run FTL - but people can see them.

Superman can fly FTL - yet get amped by sunlight.

And faster than the eye can see IS faster than poor old Hugo - because your very own scan EXPLICITLY shows he is NOT faster than the eye can see lol

So no matter what speed 'faster than the eye can see' is, it is completely irrelevant - all that matters is it is faster than Hugo, as per your own proof.

Good evidence

Claiming feats just don't count if they counter his points is so Broly...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As I explained - it's a trope. I even linked to it. But good way to ignore it. Flash can run FTL - but people can see them.

Superman can fly FTL - yet get amped by sunlight.

And faster than the eye can see IS faster than poor old Hugo - because your very own scan EXPLICITLY shows he is NOT faster than the eye can see lol

So no matter what speed 'faster than the eye can see' is, it is completely irrelevant - all that matters is it is faster than Hugo, as per your own proof.

Good evidence

You haven't actually provided any evidence of this, and based it entirely on hyperbole. Faster than the eye can see has no set definition in fiction, and changes depending on the writer. Unless it's clear cut, as in the speed is directly stated, it's not usable.

It's clearly stated that he's faster than Hugo


Hugo isn't faster than the human eye can follow.

The Cullens are. Unless you have proof human eyes in the Danner universe are different to human eyes in the Twilight universe, the Cullens are faster.

Thanks for your scan, really illuminating.

Originally posted by Robtard
Claiming feats just don't count if they counter his points is so Broly...

Claiming hyperbole as a feat, and equating all instances of "faster than the eye" to be high-hypersonic is completely insane. It's almost as bad as saying that because sight is reliant on light? Then anyone who truly moves faster than it is FTL.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Claiming hyperbole as a feat, and equating all instances of "faster than the eye" to be high-hypersonic is completely insane. It's almost as bad as saying that because sight is reliant on light? Then anyone who truly moves faster than it is FTL.

Not really. Robtard provided proof how fast one needs to be, to be invisible. And it's 38,000mph. Not FTL, lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's clearly stated that he's faster than Hugo


Hugo isn't faster than the human eye can follow.

The Cullens are. Unless you have proof human eyes in the Danner universe are different to human eyes in the Twilight universe, the Cullens are faster.

Thanks for your scan, really illuminating.

Where is it stated? In the same exact instance where sound travels more quickly than he does? Prove that sound functions differently in Twilight than it does in real life. I'll wait.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Where is it stated? In the same exact instance where sound travels more quickly than he does? Prove that sound functions differently in Twilight than it does in real life. I'll wait.

He's faster than the eye can see.

Hugo isn't.

But I see you are unable to prove it, so you're just answering with a request of your own.

I asked first, so go ahead.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really. Robtard provided proof how fast one needs to be, to be invisible. And it's 38,000mph. Not FTL, lmao.

Did you even read it? It says 70 meters in 1/250th of a second. It uses a baseball as a reference point. Not any feat in Twilight. This is not static. It's dependent of whether they actually moved 70 meters in that time-frame.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Where is it stated? In the same exact instance where sound travels more quickly than he does? Prove that sound functions differently in Twilight than it does in real life. I'll wait. mmm durmask

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's faster than the eye can see.

Hugo isn't.

But I see you are unable to prove it, so you're just answering with a request of your own.

I asked first, so go ahead.

He actually hasn't proven it. He needs to both show us an instance where they move faster than the eye but also where they move 70 meters in that same time-frame.

He has to prove it's not hyperbole too. Which is gonna be hard with all the subsonic feats.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
He actually hasn't proven it. He needs to both show us an instance where they move faster than the eye but also where they move 70 meters in that same time-frame.

He has to prove it's not hyperbole too. Which is gonna be hard with all the subsonic feats. No, he doesn't... we saw the films durmask

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Did you even read it? It says 70 meters in 1/250th of a second. It uses a baseball as a reference point. Not any feat in Twilight. This is not static. It's dependent of whether they actually moved 70 meters in that time-frame.

Bella:



So she can travel 50yards in 1/84th of a second. That's a speed of 8594mph.

And Edward is faster:


There you go. Quantifiable numbers.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
No, he doesn't... we saw the films durmask

No, you didn't. There's no instance where it's stated they move faster than the eye AND move 70 meters in that time-frame.

https://i.imgur.com/a3Dka8G.png

Distance is important as it drastically changes how fast the feat is. Assuming it's not hyperbole. The example used in the link Robtard decided to share doesn't actually happen in Twilight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bella:



So she can travel 50yards in 1/84th of a second. That's a speed of 8594mph.

And Edward is faster:


There you go. Quantifiable numbers.

All that tells me is that your reading comprehension is atrocious. She is not talking about the fifty yard length of the river. She is talking about the edge near the water BEFORE she makes her jump over the river. That's the distance she moves in 1/84th of a second. A few paces.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
No, you didn't. There's no instance where it's stated they move faster than the eye AND move 70 meters in that time-frame.

https://i.imgur.com/a3Dka8G.png

Distance is important as it drastically changes how fast the feat is. Assuming it's not hyperbole. The example used in the link Robtard decided to share doesn't actually happen in Twilight.

So your incredible proof for Danner's speed is this:
https://i.imgur.com/RFTPafFl.png

And YOU said:


Good logic.

Now, Edward did:


So he ran from Port Angeles, to Forks, in a straight line. That's about 45 miles.

Using YOUR logic, Edward ran approx 2x the distance, in the same time ("minutes".

Edward is ~2x faster than Hugo's best feat, at least.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
All that tells me is that your reading comprehension is atrocious. She is not talking about the fifty yard length of the river. She is talking about the edge near the water BEFORE she makes her jump over the river. That's the distance she moves in 1/84th of a second. A few paces.

She covered that in 1 bound (guess you missed that :P ). And we know how far she can cover in 1 bound: 50 yards. Of course, she says 50 yards is 'easy', so her first bound could well have been 60 yards. She DOES say it was a 'long bound', so it HAS to be > 50 yards.


You are very convincing. Bella is much faster than 8594 mph. And Edward is still faster than her My reading comprehension is pretty solid.

Here's the rest of the excerpt right before that:

"Are we swimming?" I asked him when we stopped beside the water.


I backed up five paces, just in case, and took a deep breath.

I began my first stride. And then stopped when the tight satin split six inches up my thigh. Alice!"

Six inches per pace.

64.00800 m/s or 143 mph.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Here's the rest of the excerpt right before that:

"Are we swimming?" I asked him when we stopped beside the water.


I backed up five paces, just in case, and took a deep breath.

I began my first stride. And then stopped when the tight satin split six inches up my thigh. Alice!"

Six inches per pace.

64.00800 m/s or 143 mph.

Yes? People CAN walk at different speeds, lol. But we know it took 1/84th of a second to take a long bound.

And 50 yards is slightly easy, so not a long bound.

Edit:not to mention, wut? Lol. 6 inches is how far her satin split, lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes? People CAN walk at different speeds, lol. But we know it took 1/84th of a second to take a long bound.

And 50 yards is slightly easy, so not a long bound.

Nope. That 1/84th a second bit was only referring to the distance she moved from those five paces to the water's edge. It wasn't referring to the jump across the river. That was you taking it out of context. As I've just proven for you.

WHAT THE F*CKING F*CK IS GOING ON HERE?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Now, Edward did:

Nope, he didn't. It would be you making up stuff again.




Citation needed. Nowhere in that excerpt is Port Angeles mentioned.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Nope. That 1/84th a second bit was only referring to the distance she moved from those five paces to the water's edge. It wasn't referring to the jump across the river. That was you taking it out of context. As I've just proven for you.

Erm....you proved nothing, and you're being a real Alberto right now lol.

6 inches is how far her satin split.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Nope, he didn't. It would be you making up stuff again.




Citation needed. Nowhere in that excerpt is Port Angeles mentioned. Broly, calm down durmask

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
WHAT THE F*CKING F*CK IS GOING ON HERE?

That's what I am asking. I still don't have an answer for this.

https://i.imgur.com/Djntcmg.png

My best guess is that either Robtard or Whirly whatever got mad at the concept of the thread, and decided to falsely accuse me of being some Broly person.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Nope, he didn't. It would be you making up stuff again.




Citation needed. Nowhere in that excerpt is Port Angeles mentioned.

Prove that I made it up lmao.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....you proved nothing, and you're being a real Alberto right now lol.

6 inches is how far her satin split.

After her initial stride. Which gives us a good bench mark for each pace. Paces are steps but they're different for each person. She moved at least six inches, and tore her satin in the first one.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Prove that I made it up lmao.

You made the positive claim with no evidence to support it. The burden of proof is on you.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
After her initial stride. Which gives us a good bench mark for each pace. Paces are steps but they're different for each person. She moved at least six inches, and tore her satin in the first one.

That 6 inches is only how far her satin split, lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That 6 inches is only how far her satin split, lol. Broly struggles with reading comprehension DS.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That 6 inches is only how far her satin split, lol.

That's how far it split because that's how far she moved. The satin is part of her dress. Why would it have torn more than that? If she moved greater than six inches per that stride? Otherwise, you have literally nothing and in that case it's a non-feat. Since we don't know how large these strides are.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Broly struggles with reading comprehension DS.

I was being generous because that's literally the only indication we have of how far she moved in each pace. Otherwise, we would have to guess and that makes it a non-feat.

Once again, I don't even know who this guy is. And I don't have his beef with you.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
That's how far it split because that's how far she moved. The satin is part of her dress. Why would it have torn more than that? If she moved greater than six inches per that stride? Otherwise, you have literally nothing and in that case it's a non-feat. Since we don't how large these strides are. and now your sentence parsing is failing, as usual... Broly, you never change. durmask

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
I was being generous because that's literally the only indication we have of how far she moved in each pace. Otherwise, we would have to guess and that makes it a non-feat.

Once again, I don't even know who this guy is. And I don't have his beef with you. OK

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You made the positive claim with no evidence to support it. The burden of proof is on you.

No, you made the claim I made it up. But sure:

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
and now your sentence parsing is failing, as usual... Broly, you never change. durmask

It's called a typo. It happens when you're trying to address multiple people at once.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Claiming hyperbole as a feat, and equating all instances of "faster than the eye" to be high-hypersonic is completely insane. It's almost as bad as saying that because sight is reliant on light? Then anyone who truly moves faster than it is FTL.


Q74Ej1uEl6Q

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No, you made the claim I made it up. But sure:

That literally says he wasn't in Port Angeles and took Carlisle to a dive bar first. Since he didn't want to linger there. Then after that he ran back to Forks.

Originally posted by Robtard
Q74Ej1uEl6Q

You're the one that didn't even read the link you shared with us, and tried to prescribe a feat they didn't perform to all vampires in Twilight.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
That's how far it split because that's how far she moved. The satin is part of her dress. Why would it have torn more than that? If she moved greater than six inches per that stride? Otherwise, you have literally nothing and in that case it's a non-feat. Since we don't know how large these strides are.

I never knew clothing tears in direct linear 1:1 with the distance one moves, lmao.

We know 50 yards is 'easy' to cover in a bound. Hell, later on we find out:



We know she covered X distance in 'one long bound'. So she covered 100 yards (the river was 50 yards wide, and Edward covered it), easily, in a single bound -so this X distance could easily be ~100 yards.

As YOU said, we have no idea how large her strides are. We DO know how long her jumps are, though - 50-100 yards.

And she did this is 1/84ths of a second.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
That literally says he wasn't in Port Angeles and took Carlisle to a dive bar first. Since he didn't want to linger there. Then after that he ran back to Forks.

Erm....

The bar was in Port Angeles. That's where Lanny was. Edward however didn't want to linger in Port Angeles.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
It's called a typo. It happens when you're trying to address multiple people at once. it's OK mate, I feel bad for you, Broly or not. So have a good evening. Originally posted by Robtard
Q74Ej1uEl6Q ClassicOriginally posted by DarkSaint85
No, you made the claim I made it up. But sure: This poor Duke Togo guy has been reamed to the point he can't parse sentence.

Tbh, he may well be right about the canon doing shit all. I read Gladiator and the Marvel adaptation at least 40 years ago, all I remember is he wasn't that impressive and ended up in hospital just before the shenanigans on the boat.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Bella:



So she can travel 50yards in 1/84th of a second. That's a speed of 8594mph.

And Edward is faster:


There you go. Quantifiable numbers.

What that tells us is that by even Bella's now Twi-vamp enhanced abilities and senses, Edward still had "blinding speed" from her point of view.

Good find

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I never knew clothing tears in direct linear 1:1 with the distance one moves, lmao.

It's the only thing we have, and I was being generous because otherwise there's no exact measurement it gives us.



That's for the jump. Which didn't happen in 1/84th of second. That was the movement from the five paces.




Strides are not jumps. They are paces here.



Nope, that was in reference to the five paces she took to reach the water's edge.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Erm....

The bar was in Port Angeles. That's where Lanny was. Edward however didn't want to linger in Port Angeles.

Did you completely miss the part where they drove half way first, and then Edward abandoned the car to run the rest of the way there? He didn't actually run all the way back from Port Angeles.

Originally posted by Robtard
What that tells us is that by even Bella's now Twi-vamp enhanced abilities and senses, Edward still had "blinding speed" from her point of view.

Good find

Already rebutted him on that. It was in reference to the five paces Bella took just prior to that. It wasn't in reference to the jump itself but the time it took to reach the edge of the river before jumping over it.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
It's the only thing we have, and I was being generous because otherwise there's no exact measurement it gives us.



That's for the jump. Which didn't happen in 1/84th of second. That was the movement from the five paces.




Strides are not jumps. They are paces here.



Nope, that was in reference to the five paces she took to reach the water's edge.



Did you completely miss the part where they drove half way first, and then Edward abandoned the car to run the rest of the way there? He didn't actually run all the way back from Port Angeles. you realise he ran the second half even faster then?

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
It's the only thing we have, and I was being generous because otherwise there's no exact measurement it gives us.



That's for the jump. Which didn't happen in 1/84th of second. That was the movement from the five paces.

As you said, we have no idea how long her strides/paces are. We do know how far her bounds are, and we DO know it took her a 'long bound' in 1/84th of a second.


OK? Never made this point, lmao.



Erm...no. It is in reference to the long bound she took. And we know how far her bounds are.


You laugh at my reading comprehension, then make a statement like this?

Lanny was in Port Angeles. Edward drove Carlisle there, to a dive bar where Lanny was, at breakneck speed. He didn't want to linger in PA, so left Carlisle in the car (which was parked at the bar, IN PA), and ran back to Forks. We know he was in the car, as his hands were on the steering wheel.

In the car.

At the dive bar.

Where Lanny was.

The Port Angeles serial killer.

Who was in Port Angeles.

Really, I don't see how I can make it any clearer for you lol.

@broly You're wrong as usual.

But even moving "five paces" (ie 12.5 feet) in 1/84th of a second is too fast for Danner to handle, even though Edward is far faster. Not that we should go with your silly gimped numbers.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly! it's OK mate, I feel bad for you, Broly or not. So have a good evening. Classic This poor Duke Togo guy has been reamed to the point he can't parse sentence.

I am replying to three different people at once unlike you. Forgive me if I don't have time to proof read. Trying to goad me into expletives doesn't do you any favors, and like holy cow I am surprised people would unironically argue this hard in favor of freaking Twilight of all things. Not exactly high bars in terms of quality of writing.



And only suffered minor injuries. He collapsed due to exhaustion after he murdered his way through the German front, and pushed them back. He's a literal one man army. Who can survive direct hits from howitzers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
As you said, we have no idea how long her strides/paces are. We do know how far her bounds are, and we DO know it took her a 'long bound' in 1/84th of a second.

No, we do not. It's explicitly in reference to when she moved those five paces again to reach the water's edge.




You are because you are saying it happened in that same 1/84th of a second.





Citation needed. As what you provided, and what I provided made it clear it was referring to how long it took for her to reach the water's edge BEFORE her jump.




No, it wasn't they left afterwards in the car but then Edward abandoned it because he was faster on foot. They leave the dive bar before heading back to Forks, and then Edward switches to moving on foot after that.

Originally posted by Robtard
@broly You're wrong as usual.

But even moving "five paces" (ie 12.5 feet) in 1/84th of a second is too fast for Danner to handle, even though Edward is far faster. Not that we should go with your silly gimped numbers.

Nope. The distance of her steps are never specified. And paces change depending on the person's build. The closest we get to clarification is that satin bit, and even then it would require a ton of extrapolation. Using the non-common measurement of a pace would be disingenuous.

Wrong again. A "pace" is a unit of distance equal to 30 inches. 5 paces equals 12.5 feet. /maths

Originally posted by Robtard
Wrong again. A "pace" is a unit of distance equal to 30 inches. 5 paces equals 12.5 feet. /maths

This wasn't the unit of measurement, and I even rebutted you on that before you brought it up:

"Using the non-common measurement of a pace would be disingenuous."

It's referring to her steps which can vary greatly here.

You keep on trying to give these characters feats they don't have.

So you magically get to decide writers intent.

The only feats I've given them is from the films, which is they can move faster than the human eye can see, to the point they appear like they're teleporting. That's far faster than Danner. Then there's their other non-physical powers. Danner loses here and pretty hard. You were finished on page 1.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
No, we do not. It's explicitly in reference to when she moved those five paces again to reach the water's edge.

Again:



So we know that it took one long bound, and it took her 1/84th of a second.


I am saying it took her 1/84th of a second to make one bound. As the text clearly says.


Citation provided. You have zero proof as to how much distance her strides cover. 1 bound can well equal 5 strides, where each of her strides is ~10 yards.

As for my proof? I will make three statements below - say which one is true/false.

We know its a long bound for her in 1/84th of a second (true/false?). We know 50 yards is an 'easy' distance for her bounds (true/false?). We know she actually covered 100 yards in her bound (true/false?).

Putting these three statements together, gives the distance. Your logic relies on using human benchmarks for stride length, for a superhuman vampire.


Citation needed. My text is more recent than yours, I wager.

Originally posted by Robtard
So you magically get to decide writers intent.

You're the one that decided that faster than the eye meant what you thought it did. Despite the fact there was no evidence that it did. You also applied 70 meters to all those feats so you clearly didn't read the article yourself. 1/250th of a second is only impressive under certain distances.



The only feats you've mentioned and promptly butchered by not even reading the articles you yourself use in support of them. Whilst at the same time ignoring everything else in order to get your desired outcome. The fact people could hear them coming for example, or the fact they didn't burst into flames due to air compression.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You're the one that decided that faster than the eye meant what you thought it did. Despite the fact there was no evidence that it did. You also applied 70 meters to all those feats so you clearly didn't read the article yourself. 1/250th of a second is only impressive under certain distances.



The only feats you've mentioned and promptly butchered by not even reading the articles you yourself use in support of them. Whilst at the same time ignoring everything else in order to get your desired outcome. The fact people could hear them coming for example, or the fact they didn't burst into flames due to air compression.

I mean...if you are just going to try and apply RL logic, that's just stupid.

What are Hugo's shoes made of, to withstand those running speeds?

How does he get the energy to perform his feats? I know he has to eat a lot, but even the amount he eats won't explain his abilities.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You're the one that decided that faster than the eye meant what you thought it did. Despite the fact there was no evidence that it did. You also applied 70 meters to all those feats so you clearly didn't read the article yourself. 1/250th of a second is only impressive under certain distances.



The only feats you've mentioned and promptly butchered by not even reading the articles you yourself use in support of them. Whilst at the same time ignoring everything else in order to get your desired outcome. The fact people could hear them coming for example, or the fact they didn't burst into flames due to air compression.

No, I didn't decide what it means. It's shown in the films. They can move so fast that normal people can't see them.

You mean fictional super characters don't always obey the laws of physics because then the story would be ruined? No way!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85




So we know that it took one long bound, and it took her 1/84th of a second.

That one long bound was in reference to her crossing the distance of the five paces she took. She backed away from the edge of the river before striding forth, and then crossed that distance. Before jumping at the water's edge.




The bound in question is reference to her crossing the distance between the river's edge, and the five paces she took to back up. Getting ready for the jump first.



And it makes it clear that the bound in question is referring to her crossing the five paces she took when she backed up. The jump is something different entirely. The text is clear on this.




True, she crossed the five paces she backed up from to the river's edge in 1/84th of a second.



False. Her bound here was another one to the river's edge. After she backed up away from it with five steps or paces.



False. She didn't even cover fifty yards. She only covered the distance of five paces before her other jump.



It could vary greatly but the point was these five paces were just what she did earlier to back up, and then she made her way to the edge. Then afterwards she jumped. However, it is restricted by her gait and she isn't a giant. She's very short. She can't stretch her legs or something like Mr. Fantastic.



That's literally what it says. They didn't stay at the dive bar but they were there. They then left it, and then afterwards Edward left the car. Making it uncertain how far away Forks was there. Your excerpt is clear on this.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean...if you are just going to try and apply RL logic, that's just stupid.

What are Hugo's shoes made of, to withstand those running speeds?

How does he get the energy to perform his feats? I know he has to eat a lot, but even the amount he eats won't explain his abilities.

You buddy Robtard literally tried to do just that, and tried to calculate the "faster than the eye" trope in fiction. After ignoring that the example therein mentioned the distance crossed was 70 meters. 1/250 of a second doesn't mean anything without a distance, and Twilight doesn't give us that for those "faster than the eye" feats. Though if they did I imagine it's not 70 meters either.

I can calculate some things for Hugo Danner though.

Due to how thick the vault door was? It would have required about a ridiculous amount of force to bend it in half.

How to Calculate Fastener Pullout

Gonna use the calculation you can find here. Scroll down to bending metal.

F = KTWt^2/D.

https://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?bassnum=MS0001&ckck&ckck=1

The tensile strength of steel is anywhere between 50800 psi to 60900 psi. Gonna use the former as a low-end. He bent it halfway down before it fell off so I will use half its length for the diameter.

K = 1.33 for V-shape bending. T = 50800 psi. W = 84 inches for the door width, and t = 60 inches for the thickness of the door. D = 42 inches or how much he bent the door.

/42 = 486460800 pounds or 243230.4 tons of force.

He survived a direct hit from a howitzer, and since he was a part of the French Foreign Legion and fought Germany in WWI? That means the slug that hit him was from a Big Bertha. Their rounds weigh around 810 kg, and are propelled at speeds of 400 m/s. That is around 40 pounds of tnt per impact, and it only gave him a minor flesh wound. They were also known for penetrating forty feet of reinforced concrete.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/Big-Bertha-weapon

Originally posted by Robtard
No, I didn't decide what it means. It's shown in the films. They can move so fast that normal people can't see them.

What you're failing to realize is how broadly defined "faster than the eye" is. You don't actually have to move in 1/250 of a second to go unnoticed. People blink. People have trouble tracking fast moving blurs. You don't know how it is defined here.



Get a load of this guy lecturing me on this after he just tried to use real life to wank "faster than the eye" feats to being all universally high-hypersonic. Based on the fact he didn't even read his own article, and didn't know that result came from a particular distance moved in that time-frame.

Ouch. You really don't understand, do you?

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
That one long bound was in reference to her crossing the distance of the five paces she took. She backed away from the edge of the river before striding forth, and then crossed that distance. Before jumping at the water's edge.

We don't know how long her paces are. I am 10000% in agreement with you that the 'one long bound' was NOT over the river, but was to cover the 5 paces, which are of indeterminate length.


We don't know how long her paces are. I am 10000% in agreement with you that the 'one long bound' was NOT over the river, but was to cover the 5 paces, which are of indeterminate length.


We don't know how long her paces are. I am 10000% in agreement with you that the 'one long bound' was NOT over the river, but was to cover the 5 paces, which are of indeterminate length.


Good.


Please re-read my post. And reread the text - here, I quote AGAIN:

So again, 50 yards is an easy distance for her, true/false?


Lmao, you really are unable to comprehend. Re-read the text:
This is COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM HER 5 PACE BOUND, LMAO.


You assume greatly that steps/paces are shorter than bounds. READ AGAIN:

Meyer doesn't seem to care, lol. steps and bounds seem to be interchangeable. 5 paces = 5 steps but 1 step can also =1 long bound.


You....haven't read the books, have you, lol. Carlisle stayed at the bar, then attacks Lanny. Where does it say they left, and where does it say they drove halfway, and where does it say Edward left to go faster on foot?

Really, you are being a Bazie Albert now.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
You buddy Robtard literally tried to do just that, and tried to calculate the "faster than the eye" trope in fiction. After ignoring that the example therein mentioned the distance crossed was 70 meters. 1/250 of a second doesn't mean anything without a distance, and Twilight doesn't give us that for those "faster than the eye" feats. Though if they did I imagine it's not 70 meters either.

I can calculate some things for Hugo Danner though.

Due to how thick the vault door was? It would have required about a ridiculous amount of force to bend it in half.

How to Calculate Fastener Pullout

Gonna use the calculation you can find here. Scroll down to bending metal.

F = KTWt^2/D.

https://www.matweb.com/search/datasheet.aspx?bassnum=MS0001&ckck&ckck=1

The tensile strength of steel is anywhere between 50800 psi to 60900 psi. Gonna use the former as a low-end. He bent it halfway down before it fell off so I will use half its length for the diameter.

K = 1.33 for V-shape bending. T = 50800 psi. W = 84 inches for the door width, and t = 60 inches for the thickness of the door. D = 42 inches or how much he bent the door.

/42 = 486460800 pounds or 243230.4 tons of force.

He survived a direct hit from a howitzer, and since he was a part of the French Foreign Legion and fought Germany in WWI? That means the slug that hit him was from a Big Bertha. Their rounds weigh around 810 kg, and are propelled at speeds of 400 m/s. That is around 40 pounds of tnt per impact, and it only gave him a minor flesh wound. They were also known for penetrating forty feet of reinforced concrete.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/Big-Bertha-weapon

Def a BazieAlbert.

Originally posted by Robtard
@broly You're wrong as usual.

But even moving "five paces" (ie 12.5 feet) in 1/84th of a second is too fast for Danner to handle, even though Edward is far faster. Not that we should go with your silly gimped numbers.

He's not Broly. He's BazieMarc, aka MarcBazie, aka AlbertoJohnAvil, aka theacidskull (allegedly!), aka DoomTm, aka Rogered, aka.....oh, I cannot spoil his other accounts!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ouch. You really don't understand, do you?

Projection on your part. I understand everything just fine.




What's not good is what you claim next.



It was but it's a feat of strength not a feat of speed. As this wasn't done in 1/84 second. You got the wrong "bound here." The jump over the river happens after this:

I backed up five paces, just in case, and took a deep breath. I began my first stride. And then stopped when the tight satin split six inches up my thigh. Alice! Unhindered by my skirt, it took only one long bound to reach the water's edge. Just an eighty-fourth of a second, and yet it was plenty of time - my eyes and my mind moved so quickly that one step was enough.

It's clearly referring to her reaching the water's edge, and it's at the water's edge where she jumps. The 1/84th of second bit is referring to when she reached the water's edge BEFORE her jump. The bound was a step. After she backed up five paces first.




It is not. It's the same thing. What she is referring to when 1/84 of a second is mentioned is her stride or bound to the water's edge. Not the jump.




She took five paces backwards, and then her stride or bound crossed those five paces to the water's edge. In 1/84 of a second. Then she jumped over the river after that.



That's because she took a much longer stride or bound to cross the previous five paces backwards to reach the water's edge. The bound is crossing the five paces between her and the water's edge. Before she leapt afterwards.




They clearly left, and got into their car. Which means Carlisle drove back. Carlisle can drive, and he had every reason to drive back. After all, the guy was a serial killer. He couldn't leave him unattended. Who knows who else he might have killed.

I don't even know who that is, and I don't care.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Def a BazieAlbert.

Get me some evidence, buddy. I am literally completely in the dark here. I don't know jack squat about your community.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not Broly. He's BazieMarc, aka MarcBazie, aka AlbertoJohnAvil, aka theacidskull (allegedly!), aka DoomTm, aka Rogered, aka.....oh, I cannot spoil his other accounts!

Imagine being so butt mad that you accuse somebody of being a dupe when you're losing an argument.

And all I did was the same thing Robtard did. Except I applied it correctly. As for speed? If you want to go crazy with the calculations?

Quick experiment. Using Hugo Danner as an example. He's 211 pounds as stated in the story, and can exert about half a ton of tnt with his super strength (that one I calculated it translates to about half a ton of TNT).

Using the KE calculator, and his weight you can get speed.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/kinetic.php

Which translates to around Mach 19.

This would give some decent speed upgrades to every character relying on conventional means of strength.

mods, please don't ban him, we need the traffic and entertainment

Nope. They drove to the bar, Edward's hands are on the wheel (meaning he's driving) then Edward gets out and leaves Carlisle in the car. At the bar. That he drove to.

Sure, PoiNT ReFuted, Period!!!

Originally posted by MrMind
mods, please don't ban him, we need the traffic and entertainment

Ikr. He really thinks he's being clever lmao. I've reported him, anyway, for being a sock.

As for defending himself? Really don't care, Albert lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ikr. He really thinks he's being clever lmao. I've reported him, anyway, for being a sock.

As for defending himself? Really don't care, Albert lol.

why you always snitchin

I'm lookin for a stitchin.

And yes, I always think I'm funny even if no one else does. Which is always.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nope. They drove to the bar, Edward's hands are on the wheel (meaning he's driving) then Edward gets out and leaves Carlisle in the car. At the bar. That he drove to.

Sure, PoiNT ReFuted, Period!!!

So, now you're arguing that Carlisle doesn't know how to switch seats and drive back to the bar? And no, they left and it even notes that Edward did not linger there. Which means he was the one who was driving back.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
So, now you're arguing that Carlisle doesn't know how to switch seats and drive back to the bar? And no, they left and it even notes that Edward did not linger there. Which means he was the one who was driving back.

So you're not actually arguing what's in the text, and are using HeAdCaNoN.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ikr. He really thinks he's being clever lmao. I've reported him, anyway, for being a sock.

As for defending himself? Really don't care, Albert lol.

Who the heck is Albert? I have been asking you, and you have chosen not to answer.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm lookin for a stitchin.

And yes, I always think I'm funny even if no one else does. Which is always.

Dude, I am seriously not him. I barely know the comings and goings of your community.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you're not actually arguing what's in the text, and are using HeAdCaNoN.

I am literally using what's in the text, and you yourself said Edward was behind the wheel when they left the bar. Then he rushed through some forest after he abandoned it.

Your point has BeEn RefUTed, Period!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your point has BeEn RefUTed, Period!

Downloaded the omnibus. Lanny isn't so much as mentioned in any of the books. Where did you get that from? The other books from Edward's perspectives?

https://i.imgur.com/5mGBQ8y.png

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's not Broly. He's BazieMarc, aka MarcBazie, aka AlbertoJohnAvil, aka theacidskull (allegedly!), aka DoomTm, aka Rogered, aka.....oh, I cannot spoil his other accounts!

I was just teasing him as being called "Broly" is an insult.

Originally posted by Robtard
I was just teasing him as being called "Broly" is an insult.

Are you one of those internet communities that ban so many people that you are constantly flooded with dupes, and can't actually differentiate between any of them?

@DarkSaint85

Also, here is the whole excerpt from the e-book. Bella is clearly just talking about how long it took her to reach the water's edge before jumping. She doesn't say the jump itself took 1/84 of a second. It took her 1/84 of a second to reach the edge of the river where she then proceeded to jump.

https://i.imgur.com/nTVLf1i.png

@DarkSaint85

What I also mentioned before about how they're not actually faster than sound.

https://i.imgur.com/ypHLX8L.png

https://i.imgur.com/SBm7VQG.png

@DarkSaint85

Checked out Midnight Sun. Which is from Edward's perspective.

There is also no Lanny. He's not mentioned a SINGLE time.

https://i.imgur.com/0iy5nkp.png

@DarkSaint85

Where's the dive bar, Dark Saint?

https://i.imgur.com/xnSW2nC.png

@DarkSaint85

Anyway, since I caught you red-handed fabricating evidence that doesn't exist in the books? From here on out you must screen-cap everything using what e-book reader you have. Nothing you say can be taken at face value in this thread anymore. That includes any "quotes" you decide to write for the series.

are you a crazy person

Originally posted by MrMind
are you a crazy person

I'm a calm and reasonable one.

https://i.imgur.com/7Gj34FF.jpg


...

Truth be told I just like rubbing it into someone's face when I am right. It's an ego thing.

@DarkSaint85

No Lonnie either. In case it actually got the spelling right.

https://i.imgur.com/CCRmhZm.png

like I said, insane

Just bored really.

@DarkSaint85

More subsonic vampires.

https://i.imgur.com/O8lN7bB.png

And Jacob and the rest of the wolves can't even keep up with a car lmao.

https://i.imgur.com/2tRwZ47.png

@DarkSaint85

Hugo Danner also has a healing factor.

https://i.imgur.com/A9ZrX51.png

Hugo has a measure of clairvoyance, and even had visions. Which told him where Uctotol was, and gave him glimpses of the past.

https://i.imgur.com/7TBGitZ.png

Also, most people weren't able to see him move by WWI.

https://i.imgur.com/CJ5yZCO.png

@DarkSaint85

This is probably the most embarrassing one. It took a vampire three hours to cross a distance of twenty miles. That's about 6 mph. In the same instance he was moving faster than the eye can see. Which means SM definitely doesn't know what she's writing, or that human beings in Twilight are virtually blind most of the time. They can't even see things moving 6 mph.

Considering all these much less impressive feats? You must also prove that any high-end ones are not outliers that stick out like a sore thumb.

https://i.imgur.com/NsrsS12.png

@DarkSaint85

Finally, for the final nail in the coffin. It's explicit that their jumps don't clear the river in 1/84 of a second. It takes them a whole second to leap over it.

https://i.imgur.com/DXhHsrZ.png

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Broly was a big fan of Twilight. This guy doesn't even know a howitzer is a Canon.

Forgot to reply to this, and I already rebutted you here. I never said it wasn't a cannon. I was specifying the kind of cannon it was because it can deal an enormous amount of damage. 810 kg at 400 m/s translates to 40 pounds of TNT in KE.

https://www.britannica.com/technology/Big-Bertha-weapon

Do you know what that does to granite?

https://i.imgur.com/icnqIov.png

It's not pretty to say the least.


Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
you realise he ran the second half even faster then?

It's questionable whether the feat even happened, and if it did the distance is still unclear. It most certainly did not happen in the initial Twilight Saga, and it's definitely not in line with other feats we see there.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

Checked out Midnight Sun. Which is from Edward's perspective.

There is also no Lanny. He's not mentioned a SINGLE time.

https://i.imgur.com/0iy5nkp.png
Lmao.

Midnight Sun. PAGE 70.

GET THE SPELLING RIGHT, IT IS LANNY.
https://twilightsaga.fandom.com/wiki/Orlando_Calderas_Wallace

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lmao.

Midnight Sun. PAGE 70.

GET THE SPELLING RIGHT, IT IS LANNY.
https://twilightsaga.fandom.com/wiki/Orlando_Calderas_Wallace

As if I paid for it. The beauty of totally legit third party digital libraries hosted on Russian servers.

And Lanny ain't there. I see no Lanny.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
As if I paid for it. The beauty of totally legit third party digital libraries hosted on Russian servers.

So you admit you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about? OK.

You just copy/pasting posts from spacebattles bore me.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you admit you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about? OK.

You just copy/pasting posts from spacebattles bore me.

Nope. I know what I am talking about, and have the books on hand.

Those are my posts. I did get banned there but that's because I chewed out one of the moderators for unironically supporting Cuties. SB is kind of a cesspool of scum and villainy.

@DarkSaint85

Got a whole list for you.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Just bored really.

@DarkSaint85

More subsonic vampires.

https://i.imgur.com/O8lN7bB.png

And Jacob and the rest of the wolves can't even keep up with a car lmao.

https://i.imgur.com/2tRwZ47.png Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

Hugo Danner also has a healing factor.

https://i.imgur.com/A9ZrX51.png

Hugo has a measure of clairvoyance, and even had visions. Which told him where Uctotol was, and gave him glimpses of the past.

https://i.imgur.com/7TBGitZ.png

Also, most people weren't able to see him move by WWI.

https://i.imgur.com/CJ5yZCO.png Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

This is probably the most embarrassing one. It took a vampire three hours to cross a distance of twenty miles. That's about 6 mph. In the same instance he was moving faster than the eye can see. Which means SM definitely doesn't know what she's writing, or that human beings in Twilight are virtually blind most of the time. They can't even see things moving 6 mph.

Considering all these much less impressive feats? You must also prove that any high-end ones are not outliers that stick out like a sore thumb.

https://i.imgur.com/NsrsS12.png Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

Finally, for the final nail in the coffin. It's explicit that their jumps don't clear the river in 1/84 of a second. It takes them a whole second to leap over it.

https://i.imgur.com/DXhHsrZ.png Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

Also, here is the whole excerpt from the e-book. Bella is clearly just talking about how long it took her to reach the water's edge before jumping. She doesn't say the jump itself took 1/84 of a second. It took her 1/84 of a second to reach the edge of the river where she then proceeded to jump.

https://i.imgur.com/nTVLf1i.png

@DarkSaint85

If you seriously spent ANY money on those gutter trash books by SM you are the only true loser here. Pirate the trashy books like normal people.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

Got a whole list for you.

All useless, as you haven't refuted the original point about him running from Pa to Forks

Twice the distance as your best feat, in the same time as your logic dictates.

Come back when you have something.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All useless, as you haven't refuted the original point about him running from Pa to Forks

Twice the distance as your best feat, in the same time as your logic dictates.

Come back when you have something.

I already have. You haven't proven he actually ran all the way there, and didn't drive his car part way before abandoning it to Carlisie. And even if that was the case you haven't addressed the feat where Hugo Danner would have to move around Mach 19 to bend open that vault door. As his strength isn't a product of TTK like Superboy. It's conventional. I already addressed the FTE stuff twice. You need an actual distance to get a number, and it ain't 70 meters for their feats. And SM doesn't understand how FTE even works, and 6 mph is enough in the story to be FTE against bog-standard human beings.

So you have nothing, and even worse, tried to pass your ignorance off as me making it up did you or did you not try to do this?

The bar was on PA. Where he left the car. Where he left Carlisle.

@DarkSaint85

This is literally your only decent speed feat, and I can't even see it because it's not written as you cite it in my copy of Midnight Sun.

All other speed feats? I've destroyed them completely and utterly, and even found such a outlandish discrepancy that it puts into question any outliers like that one. And it is the only outlier. The closest you have is 50 yards per second. A measly 102 mph.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
@DarkSaint85

This is literally your only decent speed feat, and I can't even see it because it's not written as you cite it in my copy of Midnight Sun.

All other speed feats? I've destroyed them completely and utterly, and even found such a outlandish discrepancy that it puts into question any outliers like that one. And it is the only outlier. The closest you have is 50 yards per second. A measly 102 mph.

How is it written in your copy of Midnight Sun, when you search for Dive bar?

I don't care about discrepancies and outliers, lmao. Only Alberto cared about such things.

So again, so far I have a speed feat that is 2x your best Hugo speed feat, and that doesn't even account for his telepathy. Which Hugo has no defence against

And that's just Edward, let alone the entire Cullen clan. The old thread on spacebattles at least just had Edward on it.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you have nothing, and even worse, tried to pass your ignorance off as me making it up did you or did you not try to do this?

The bar was on PA. Where he left the car. Where he left Carlisle.

Nope, you still haven't screen-capped it like I asked. And you continue to refuse to do so. Almost as if you don't actually have the book on hand, and are relying entirely on Google.

They left the bar with the car, and Carlisle drove back for Lanny or Lonnie of whatever name SM felt like calling him at the time. And that still doesn't address everything else I brought up.

There are so many holes in your argument that it's Swiss cheese.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0
Nope, you still haven't screen-capped it like I asked. And you continue to refuse to do so. Almost as if you don't actually have the book on hand, and are relying entirely on Google.

They left the bar with the car, and Carlisle drove back for Lanny or Lonnie of whatever name SM felt like calling him at the time. And that still doesn't address everything else I brought up.

There are so many holes in your argument that it's Swiss cheese.

So what happens in your Russian copy when you search for Dive bar?

Screen cap that I note you were very eager to do so earlier when you thought I was lying, now you suddenly are all coy lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85 How is it written in your copy of Midnight Sun, when you search for Dive bar?

It's not even there when I use "dive bar." So, either it's written differently or it's not even there.



You should as literally nothing else supports your argument. It hitches on this one thing, and even then it's useless because of everything else I brought up.



Nope. That's his best long distance speed feat. There's also escaping bullets, and the KE he would need to force open that vault door. Which would be high-hypersonic easily. I didn't even calculate the mountain feat. Which would also be pretty fast considering how large they are.



And he lost horribly. Does anyone in The Cullen Family even have a way generate more than 40 pounds of TNT per their melee attacks? Can they even draw blood? Get past his own clairvoyance and his healing factor?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So what happens in your Russian copy when you search for Dive bar?

Oh, would you look at that? There's nothing. Not surprised at all here. So, tell me more about this "feat."

https://i.imgur.com/zn7V8bn.png





Already did. Note the above. Also, note everything else I brought up. This is literally the only feat you got, and it doesn't give us the distance and only gives us the time-frame. The distance you assumed based on thinking that he started running from the dive bar. When he already left it and was in the car.

Well would you look at that

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8JHgDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT211&lpg=PT211& amp;dq=I+took+Carlisle+to+the+dive+bar+where+the+t
wisted+thing+named+Lanny+was+drowning&source=bl&ots=GZ3wT2oh6Y&sig=ACfU3U0x_6B_Tm3AEWGMgOnBfbRTvTyNgg&hl=en&sa=X& amp;ved=2ahUKEwi6qp2ZqbrzAhWJQkEAHet9BN4Q6AF6BAgpE
AI#v=onepage& amp;q=I%20took%20Carlisle%20to%20the%20dive%20bar%
20where%20the%20twisted%20thing%20named%20Lanny%20
was%20drowning&f=false

https://i.postimg.cc/g0yGmXWw/Twi.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well would you look at that

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=8JHgDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT211&lpg=PT211& amp;dq=I+took+Carlisle+to+the+dive+bar+where+the+t
wisted+thing+named+Lanny+was+drowning&source=bl&ots=GZ3wT2oh6Y&sig=ACfU3U0x_6B_Tm3AEWGMgOnBfbRTvTyNgg&hl=en&sa=X& amp;ved=2ahUKEwi6qp2ZqbrzAhWJQkEAHet9BN4Q6AF6BAgpE
AI#v=onepage& amp;q=I%20took%20Carlisle%20to%20the%20dive%20bar%
20where%20the%20twisted%20thing%20named%20Lanny%20
was%20drowning&f=false

Literally just links me to the page where you can buy it, and even the e-book versions costs 15 buckaroos. I am sticking with my free copy thank you very much.

I have taken the liberty of screen capping it for the lazy amongst you

https://i.postimg.cc/g0yGmXWw/Twi.jpg

Use the arrows at the top lol. I used that link as it's to the actual book, not some weird Russian version lol.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I have taken the liberty of screen capping it for the lazy amongst you

https://i.postimg.cc/g0yGmXWw/Twi.jpg



Good job shooting yourself in the foot. It doesn't even say it was a "few" minutes. It just says minutes. So, you can't even assume 2 to 5 minutes. It could be literally any number of minutes shy of an hour.

@DarkSaint85

Here I will even calculate it for you.

I will assume a good low-end of thirty minutes. Since it isn't regulated to a few of them. I will also be generous, and once again assume Edward ran all the way there instead of driving part of the way there before dumping Carlisle with the car.

https://www.distance-cities.com/distance-port-angeles-wa-to-forks-wa

57 miles. Simple enough, and it's in line with what we see with the river feat. Where they cross it in a second. About 114 mph. Not impressed. Try again.

Originally posted by Duke Togo 2.0


Good job shooting yourself in the foot. It doesn't even say it was a "few" minutes. It just says minutes. So, you can't even assume 2 to 5 minutes. It could be literally any number of minutes shy of an hour.

I used your logic of a low to high estimate

Novels vs Novels = bad.