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Widow as of her Infinity War

Who wins

Bane dies.

Batman pancakes her into the concrete

Originally posted by relentless1
Batman pancakes her into the concrete

What superhuman has Batman tossed around and fought? Widow has taken far more punishment and kept going than Bruce is capable of dishing out.

Originally posted by KingD19
What superhuman has Batman tossed around and fought? Widow has taken far more punishment and kept going than Bruce is capable of dishing out.

You're asking a guy that used to think Baleman would beat MCU Cap.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're asking a guy that used to think Baleman would beat MCU Cap.

He'd definitely beat him in a raspy voice and makeup contest.

natasha won't have problem taking care of business

Batman stomps.
Skill is a wash
Batman is stronger and has a protective suit.

Even if you argue that she is a little bit more skilled then the suit is still too much of an advantage for her to overcome.

Why would he be in his suit if it's a h2h fight only? There's no point in using equipment like a protective suit in a h2h fight. We might as well give Widow her tazers/Widow Bites if Bruce gets to use his bulletproof, padded, armored, kevlar woven suit.

And Batman being stronger means nothing when he's never actually fought or hurt anyone above normal humans without help(like Kryptonite and a power suit to fight Clark). Widow on the other hand has fought multiple superhuman opponents and did very well for a human. And her durability is through the roof. Bruce can't put out enough force to truly hurt her considering all the trauma she's tanked and then gotten right back up from.

You're forgetting a rather important part of h1's argument. Batman is DC and Black Widow is Marvel.

Originally posted by Silent Master
You're forgetting a rather important part of h1's argument. Batman is DC and Black Widow is Marvel.

Shit...how could I miss that?

Originally posted by KingD19
Why would he be in his suit if it's a h2h fight only? There's no point in using equipment like a protective suit in a h2h fight. We might as well give Widow her tazers/Widow Bites if Bruce gets to use his bulletproof, padded, armored, kevlar woven suit.

And Batman being stronger means nothing when he's never actually fought or hurt anyone above normal humans without help(like Kryptonite and a power suit to fight Clark). Widow on the other hand has fought multiple superhuman opponents and did very well for a human. And her durability is through the roof. Bruce can't put out enough force to truly hurt her considering all the trauma she's tanked and then gotten right back up from.

Standard gear is the rule (even in h2h). Just look at all the black panther h2h threads. Stop being silly. You been here far to long and know better.

The suit actually hinders his agility, BW outclasses him by far in that attribute.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The suit actually hinders his agility, BW outclasses him by far in that attribute. Not JL batman. He moved fluidly enough. He was fast and swift at times (more than any natural real human). Agility is basically useless when it comes to h2h. It is more useful in dodging firearms. H2h is about reflexes, skill (knowing how and when to block, strike, counter, etc), strength, stamina, and durability.

The problem is that she could only affect him with face shots. Where he can affect her in more than 1 part of the body. That's a huge advantage.

Imo Batman stomps the living hell out of her.
Now in plain clothes I would give Batman the slight edge (5.5/10) due to him being stronger.

Yes, JL Batman. but feel free to prove me wrong by posting vids of his incredible agility.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, JL Batman. but feel free to prove me wrong by posting vids of his incredible agility. Well logically it is supposed to hinder his agility. But his final agility is still good enough. Which could mean that his natural agility is insane.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well logically it is supposed to hinder his agility. But his final agility is still good enough. Which could mean that his natural agility is insane.

By all means prove that via vids.

Originally posted by Silent Master
By all means prove that via vids.

Could and does are two different things.
Pretty good and insane are opinionated words.
Nothing to prove

So, you agree that BW is more agile?

Batman's warehouse fight is a way better fight scene than anything I've seen from Black Widow.

That doesn't change the fact that Batman has not done anything to match Black Widow's feats. Especially after the Black Widow movie. Natasha pulled off stuff there that puts her durability at pretty much superhuman levels.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, you agree that BW is more agile?

Tbh I'm not sure. I have to re-watch the movies. Maybe she is. But what does that have to do with anything here?

You don't know what agility has to do with a hth fight?

Originally posted by Silent Master
You don't know what agility has to do with a hth fight? Basically nothing when characters are extremely skilled.
For example, look at BW fight with equally skilled characters with less agility (Hawkeye, etc). They were handling her just fine without any fancy jumps or flips. Hell Hawkeye was pulling his punches in Civil War when they looked evenly matched.

So your claim is that Black Widow was going all out in her fight with Hawkeye and that fight should be used as the standard by which her agility is judged for all future fights?

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically nothing when characters are extremely skilled.
For example, look at BW fight with equally skilled characters with less agility (Hawkeye, etc). They were handling her just fine without any fancy jumps or flips. Hell Hawkeye was pulling his punches in Civil War when they looked evenly matched.

You do recall that Barton lost to Natasha right?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do recall that Barton lost to Natasha right?

Was just going to mention that.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You do recall that Barton lost to Natasha right?

Barton was mind controlled so that doesn't count (and that wasn't a pure h2h fight). In civil war, I recall Barton having the slight upper hand. But the argument isn't who is better at h2h between the two. The argument is that Barton had less agility than her and was able to fight her on near even terms.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So your claim is that Black Widow was going all out in her fight with Hawkeye and that fight should be used as the standard by which her agility is judged for all future fights? Was there any evidence that she trying to get hit?

In a nutshell, both are evenly match (even if one is slightly better) where his lack of agility didn't matter.

Originally posted by h1a8
Barton was mind controlled so that doesn't count (and that wasn't a pure h2h fight). In civil war, I recall Barton having the slight upper hand. But the argument isn't who is better at h2h between the two. The argument is that Barton had less agility than her and was able to fight her on near even terms.

Was there any evidence that she trying to get hit?

In a nutshell, both are evenly match (even if one is slightly better) where his lack of agility didn't matter.

The thing about Clint being mind controlled is that there was really no doubt about how that fight was going to end. Natasha is a much better fighter.

Barton had no upper hand in Civil War either. Natasha was ready to kick him in the face if it wasnt for Wanda taking her out. Neither were trying their hardest due to their friendship though.

Batman against Natasha is a good matchup. I think Natasha is the better fighter, but Batman is definitely stronger and has the better damage soak due to his suit (although a common thug stabbed him with a knife). Its too close to call for me. Could go either way.

Originally posted by tkitna
The thing about Clint being mind controlled is that there was really no doubt about how that fight was going to end. Natasha is a much better fighter.

Barton had no upper hand in Civil War either. Natasha was ready to kick him in the face if it wasnt for Wanda taking her out. Neither were trying their hardest due to their friendship though.

Batman against Natasha is a good matchup. I think Natasha is the better fighter, but Batman is definitely stronger and has the better damage soak due to his suit (although a common thug stabbed him with a knife). Its too close to call for me. Could go either way.

Natasha has better damage soak(especially against blunt force trauma) because she's just tougher than Batman based on feats and the many more movies she's been in than him.

Hulk has slapped her into a wall and caused some rubble to fall on her leg. She gets the rubble off, gets up immediately and runs off in a few seconds. She was riding Hulk in Ultron and he flung her 40-50 feet off his back when he landed. She hits the ground, rolls and lands on her feet. She's jumped 50 feet off a helicopter with no rappel rope and just landed. She's also taken hits from Taskmaster, Bucky, Proxima Midnight and other superhumans far above Batman and been just fine.

Also when Natasha and Batman fight normal people, she knocks them out almost instantly, even with armor and helmets. He seems to struggle even with random goons and being stronger than them.

Originally posted by h1a8
Was there any evidence that she trying to get hit?

In a nutshell, both are evenly match (even if one is slightly better) where his lack of agility didn't matter.

So, your claim is that Black Widow was going all out in her fight with Hawkeye and that fight should be used as the standard by which her agility is judged for all future fights?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, your claim is that Black Widow was going all out in her fight with Hawkeye and that fight should be used as the standard by which her agility is judged for all future fights? Going all out has nothing to do with avoiding getting hit. The intent was that they were evenly matched. But he had less agility. So if she is as skilled and have more agility but appears to be evenly match then her agility was meaningless. Looking at the fight, she didn't use any great agility to tag him. Just pure punching and kicking skill.

Originally posted by tkitna
The thing about Clint being mind controlled is that there was really no doubt about how that fight was going to end. Natasha is a much better fighter.

Barton had no upper hand in Civil War either. Natasha was ready to kick him in the face if it wasnt for Wanda taking her out. Neither were trying their hardest due to their friendship though.

Batman against Natasha is a good matchup. I think Natasha is the better fighter, but Batman is definitely stronger and has the better damage soak due to his suit (although a common thug stabbed him with a knife). Its too close to call for me. Could go either way. You seeing this can go either way proves that you are bias towards marvel. You are disqualified from the debate. Batman is a peer in skill but stronger and more durable (the suit). This fight is a stomp.

Originally posted by KingD19
Natasha has better damage soak(especially against blunt force trauma) because she's just tougher than Batman based on feats and the many more movies she's been in than him.

Hulk has slapped her into a wall and caused some rubble to fall on her leg. She gets the rubble off, gets up immediately and runs off in a few seconds. She was riding Hulk in Ultron and he flung her 40-50 feet off his back when he landed. She hits the ground, rolls and lands on her feet. She's jumped 50 feet off a helicopter with no rappel rope and just landed. She's also taken hits from Taskmaster, Bucky, Proxima Midnight and other superhumans far above Batman and been just fine.

Also when Natasha and Batman fight normal people, she knocks them out almost instantly, even with armor and helmets. He seems to struggle even with random goons and being stronger than them. BW is several times less durable than Batman (with his suit). Hulk was holding back and she was injured. Would a normal movie star suffered more damage? Prove it.

She's not affecting batman through the suit. It's movies. I can punch her in the face and make her bleed or bruise. You want to talk nonsense then Batman took a hit from Superman that sent him flying many feet away without any damage. Bucky didn't hit her. Proxima didn't appear to be striking with any superhuman force above Batman (or at all)

Originally posted by h1a8
Going all out has nothing to do with avoiding getting hit. The intent was that they were evenly matched. But he had less agility. So if she is as skilled and have more agility but appears to be evenly match then her agility was meaningless. Looking at the fight, she didn't use any great agility to tag him. Just pure punching and kicking skill.

So, that's a yes to my question?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, that's a yes to my question? You and h1 should marry s and m. Your back and forth is getting similar to Steve and Bada, who should also marry.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So, that's a yes to my question? Your question is irrelevant to the facts of this fight. She got tagged and appeared to be on equal footing with someone with less agility.

So your main point is faulty. Her extra agility is meaningless here.
Im thinking about creating a thread where both are in passion clothes to make it more a fair match.

Originally posted by h1a8
Your question is irrelevant to the facts of this fight. She got tagged and appeared to be on equal footing with someone with less agility.

So your main point is faulty. Her extra agility is meaningless here.
Im thinking about creating a thread where both are in passion clothes to make it more a fair match.

Whether someone was holding back is irrelevant to a fight?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Whether someone was holding back is irrelevant to a fight? Its irrelevant to being able to avoid getting tagged. Both were holding back and both were able to tag the other. She never appeared superior to him in h2h combat.

Holding back striking power vs avoiding getting hit are two different things.

Interesting, so using your logic a Flash going all out with his speed and a holding back Flash would get tagged the exact same amount.

Does anyone else agree with h1's "logic"?

Originally posted by h1a8
You seeing this can go either way proves that you are bias towards marvel. You are disqualified from the debate. Batman is a peer in skill but stronger and more durable (the suit). This fight is a stomp.

Batman is not a peer in skill and thats why its not even close to being a stomp. As for feats, as King said earlier, Natasha has them in spades. So if you want to talk about bias, you netter check yours at the door DC fanboy.

Originally posted by h1a8
Barton was mind controlled so that doesn't count (and that wasn't a pure h2h fight). In civil war, I recall Barton having the slight upper hand. But the argument isn't who is better at h2h between the two. The argument is that Barton had less agility than her and was able to fight her on near even terms.



He was mind controlled which meant he was going for the kill, whereas Natasha wasn't trying to seriously injure him. She still won. That's despite the fact that he was armed with a bow and later on armed with a knife while she was empty handed.

In Civil War, Black Widow had the upper hand and was about to kick Barton in the face when Wanda interfered and threw Nat away.

You really need to watch these movies first.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Interesting, so using your logic a Flash going all out with his speed and a holding back Flash would get tagged the exact same amount.

Does anyone else agree with h1's "logic"?

You are begging the question which is a logical fallacy. You are assuming "holding back" implies trying to get hit. Speed can be used defensively at its fullest (perceiving an attack and avoiding it). Holding back would imply less speed offensively "near impact" (hit less hard).

Originally posted by FrothByte
He was mind controlled which meant he was going for the kill, whereas Natasha wasn't trying to seriously injure him. She still won. That's despite the fact that he was armed with a bow and later on armed with a knife while she was empty handed.

In Civil War, Black Widow had the upper hand and was about to kick Barton in the face when Wanda interfered and threw Nat away.

You really need to watch these movies first.

Mind controlled fights don't count towards any form of evidence. A character is compromised and wouldn't necessarily fight the same way if they weren't. Also that wasn't a pure hand to hand fight. There was a plot device that caused BW to win.
Still, The perception was that they were evenly matched. But Barton had less agility. Why are you defending Silent's stupid argument anyway? Why not just argue who wins?

Originally posted by tkitna
Batman is not a peer in skill and thats why its not even close to being a stomp. As for feats, as King said earlier, Natasha has them in spades. So if you want to talk about bias, you netter check yours at the door DC fanboy. Batman is a peer in fighting skill. If they fought in plain clothes then the fight will last a good while before a victor emerges. Do you even know what peer means?

You must watch the movies. Stop judging without watching the movie.

Originally posted by h1a8
You are begging the question which is a logical fallacy. You are assuming "holding back" implies trying to get hit. Speed can be used defensively at its fullest (perceiving an attack and avoiding it). Holding back would imply less speed offensively "near impact" (hit less hard).

Everything you just said is wrong

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman is a peer in fighting skill. If they fought in plain clothes then the fight will last a good while before a victor emerges. Do you even know what peer means?

You must watch the movies. Stop judging without watching the movie.

They arent peers regardless of how much you want them to be.

If they were in street clothes, i'd give it to Natasha every single time.

Originally posted by tkitna
They arent peers regardless of how much you want them to be.

If they were in street clothes, i'd give it to Natasha every single time. Natasha isn't winning every single time in h2h. That's crazy. You need to watch the batman films again.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Everything you just said is wrong Prove it

https://gfycat.com/impurebarrengoral - Hulk swipes her into a wall and she gets right back up
https://gfycat.com/easyshoddyborzoi - Wanda saves Clint from the headkick and flings Nat spine/skull first into a machine and she gets back up after a few seconds
https://gfycat.com/uglyunfiteelelephant - Winter Soldier tosses her into a car
https://imgur.com/sq9CDqx - A simple knee from Proxima sends her flying a few feet backward and bouncing off rock/hard dirt and shown by how easily she tosses Okoye, she definitely has superstrength, also shown when she overpowered Cap(both women get back up however)
https://gfycat.com/adorablecleanamericanrobin - Hauls ass from Hulk as soon as she gets wreckage off her leg, despite it being injured from said wreckage
https://gfycat.com/unknownhappygoluckyfattaileddunnart - Hulk flings her so hard she flies off and bounces like a ragdoll on hard ground. Still rolls directly to her feet with no problem.
https://gfycat.com/smugunsightlyboutu - Exploding arrow detonated right next to her and she was fine
https://gfycat.com/elegantvaguecurlew - Got exploded out of an enclosed space and was okay. Also she shows in that scene how easily she can KO people even in full tactical. Batman really has to work at it with normal goons.

They haven't added her solo movie feats yet but they add even more like jumping out of a helicopter without gear and just landing on her feet. Or taking hits from Taskmaster. Or breaking her own nose with a smile on her face by slamming her head into a desk.

Batman doesn't have the strength to put Widow down, and he's not as skilled or as fast as her. And in fights with normal people, she seems to take them out with far more efficiency and ease than Batman as she usually KO's people in one or two hits.

Originally posted by KingD19
https://gfycat.com/impurebarrengoral - 1. Hulk swipes her into a wall and she gets right back up
https://gfycat.com/easyshoddyborzoi - 2. Wanda saves Clint from the headkick and flings Nat spine/skull first into a machine and she gets back up after a few seconds
https://gfycat.com/uglyunfiteelelephant - 3. Winter Soldier tosses her into a car
https://imgur.com/sq9CDqx - 4. A simple knee from Proxima sends her flying a few feet backward and bouncing off rock/hard dirt and shown by how easily she tosses Okoye, she definitely has superstrength, also shown when she overpowered Cap(both women get back up however)
https://gfycat.com/adorablecleanamericanrobin - 5. Hauls ass from Hulk as soon as she gets wreckage off her leg, despite it being injured from said wreckage
https://gfycat.com/unknownhappygoluckyfattaileddunnart - 6. Hulk flings her so hard she flies off and bounces like a ragdoll on hard ground. Still rolls directly to her feet with no problem.
https://gfycat.com/smugunsightlyboutu - 7. Exploding arrow detonated right next to her and she was fine
https://gfycat.com/elegantvaguecurlew - 8. Got exploded out of an enclosed space and was okay.

9. Also she shows in that scene how easily she can KO people even in full tactical. Batman really has to work at it with normal goons.

They haven't added her solo movie feats yet but they add even more like jumping out of a helicopter without gear and just landing on her feet. Or taking hits from Taskmaster. Or breaking her own nose with a smile on her face by slamming her head into a desk.

Batman doesn't have the strength to put Widow down, and he's not as skilled or as fast as her. And in fights with normal people, she seems to take them out with far more efficiency and ease than Batman as she usually KO's people in one or two hits.

Why not post Batman feats just to be objective?

1. Weak. All movie humans could do that and many even better. To me that showed how weak she was.

2. Weak as hell. Do you think any movie human wouldn't be able to get up from that? Lmfao

3. Weak as hell again. I guess the average movie human would die of that

4. Weak. All action movie humans would be fine there.

5. Why was her leg injured?

6. Weak. She was slightly hurt. But she rolled to cushion the fall. What condition do you expect Bruce to be in if he fell exactly the same way?

7. Lmao. Said arrow had no intention of harming her. Weak as shit feat.

8. She used the soldier as a shield duh. And she was still messed up.

9. BW has had to hit ordinary people multiple times in order to incapacitate them, multiple times. You are now cherry picking. Batman has koed multiple people with a single blow too. Actually his striking and strength feats dwarfs hers. Batman is at least 1.5-2x more powerful than her if you cherry pick his highest feats.
Go look at his feats (cherry pick the highest ones to be fair lol).

Enemy durability/damage soak fluctuates (you are falsely assuming all human enemies has same damage soak). For example, if a human in tactical gear is koed when judo flipped to the ground and another human (without tactical gear) is not koed after being kicked 20feet through the air then how are those enemies equal?

There it is, instead of posting matching or superior Batman feats, he focuses on trying to downplay the Marvel feats.

This tells you everything you need to know about h1.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There it is, instead of posting matching or superior Batman feats, he focuses on trying to downplay the Marvel feats.

This tells you everything you need to know about h1.

Its laughable. Every single feat downplayed. He's such a waste of oxygen.

Originally posted by h1a8
Mind controlled fights don't count towards any form of evidence. A character is compromised and wouldn't necessarily fight the same way if they weren't. Also that wasn't a pure hand to hand fight. There was a plot device that caused BW to win.
Still, The perception was that they were evenly matched. But Barton had less agility. Why are you defending Silent's stupid argument anyway? Why not just argue who wins?

Black Widow is proven to be a better h2h fighter than Hawkeye, as evidenced by the fact that she won.

And yeah, she wins against Batman.

Originally posted by tkitna
Its laughable. Every single feat downplayed. He's such a waste of oxygen. Most of the those feats arent feats. Any movie human can do them. If you don't think so then please provide evidence that the average movie human can't achieve the so called feats I stated were weak.

Originally posted by Silent Master
There it is, instead of posting matching or superior Batman feats, he focuses on trying to downplay the Marvel feats.

This tells you everything you need to know about h1. He posted only BW feats and none of Batman's. Therefore he is bias towards BW. I left the assignment for him to do so that he can reevaluate his stance.


Originally posted by FrothByte
Black Widow is proven to be a better h2h fighter than Hawkeye, as evidenced by the fact that she won.

And yeah, she wins against Batman.

Black Widow could be a better fighter. That wasn't the argument stupid. The argument is that they are peers in h2h combat but Hawkeye has less agility than her. Or you can say that she can beat Hawkeye sometimes without using any agility. My point was that agility is meaningless here (Silent is arguing that her agility will get her the win).


She gets stomped 100/10 here. WTF are you talking about idiot?
You are a goofy troll now.
In plain clothes Batman will win, he's significantly stronger and tougher with peer fighting skill.
In a batsuit this is bordering spite. He would absorb the high majority of her blows without any damage. He would sling her around like a rag doll like crossbones did.

Originally posted by h1a8
He posted only BW feats and none of Batman's.

It's not his job to do you work for you. if you can't post any matching or superior feats for Batman. then the feats King posted win by default.

Originally posted by Silent Master
It's not his job to do you work for you. if you can't post any matching or superior feats for Batman. then the feats King posted win by default. He never compared both fears before posting. He only researched BW feats (cherry picking the best). If he even watches the batman fight scenes he would have a more objective viewpoint.

I don't debate with bias individuals you don't know both characters feats before posting.

Yes, and since you haven't posted any matching or superior feats for Batman. that means you're acknowledging that BW has the better feats.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Yes, and since you haven't posted any matching or superior feats for Batman. that means you're acknowledging that BW has the better feats. Wrong! It's been explained to you already. Keep up.

Yes, your inability to produce matching or superior feats for Batman has been explained.

Thank you for admitting that BW's feats are better.

JLEU Batman literally only has 2 durability feats in his respect thread because people who aren't random goons in a warehouse only bother hitting him twice. A parademon throwing him into a wall, and Superman pushing him into the cop car in Justice League. That's literally it. He doesn't get hit in BvS outside of his power suit against a weakened Superman. Harley punches him in Suicide Squad. That's about it.

Originally posted by KingD19
JLEU Batman literally only has 2 durability feats in his respect thread because people who aren't random goons in a warehouse only bother hitting him twice. A parademon throwing him into a wall, and Superman pushing him into the cop car in Justice League. That's literally it. He doesn't get hit in BvS outside of his power suit against a weakened Superman. Harley punches him in Suicide Squad. That's about it. What about his strength feats?
Isn't Superman striking him far better than any
durability feat BW has?

Why are you so bias against DC? Especially when against Marvel?

Originally posted by h1a8
What about his strength feats?
Isn't Superman striking him far better than any
durability feat BW has?

Why are you so bias against DC? Especially when against Marvel?

Batman got backhanded by Superman and BW got backhanded by Hulk. Both backhands looked like it packed very little power. Seems fairly equal to be honest. Though it should be noted that Batman at least was wearing armor, that makes BW's feat slightly better.

But once you add in other durability feats from BW like tanking an explosion right underneath her car or dropping about 50m in her own movie without any serious injury, then it puts her above Batman in terms of durability.

Though I do agree that Batman has better strength feats.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman got backhanded by Superman and BW got backhanded by Hulk. Both backhands looked like it packed very little power. Seems fairly equal to be honest. Though it should be noted that Batman at least was wearing armor, that makes BW's feat slightly better.

But once you add in other durability feats from BW like tanking an explosion right underneath her car or dropping about 50m in her own movie without any serious injury, then it puts her above Batman in terms of durability.

Though I do agree that Batman has better strength feats.

Superman's backhand was far more powerful. Look at how Batman how fast Batman flew and how far he flew. Batman wasn't hurt any amount. Not even a tiny bit. BW was messed up bad. Big difference. Batman has his suit in this fight so his durability is far greater than hers.

Superman feat is far above anything BW has done. Those other feats aren't feats. Any movie human can do them. Stop trying to make something out of nothing.

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman wasn't hurt any amount. Not even a tiny bit.
Proof that h1 is a liar.

Black Widow takes this 8 out of 10. Better all around.

This is coming from someone who has Batman in their top two favorite comic characters

Originally posted by Robtard
Black Widow takes this 8 out of 10. Better all around.

This is coming from someone who has Batman in their top two favorite comic characters

And Batfleck was even my favorite movie Batman version. His warehouse fight scene is better than any fight scene I've seen from Black Widow.

But he just doesn't have the feats to compare to BW at this point. It's actually surprising how little he did in the Snyder Cut of JL. Was expecting more from him.

Originally posted by Robtard
Black Widow takes this 8 out of 10. Better all around.

This is coming from someone who has Batman in their top two favorite comic characters

Batman stomps 10/10.
He has an unfair advantage, his suit.
Is Superman knocked the shit out of him with no effect then what the hell is BW going to do?

She has no way to win without any sort of gadgets.
Batman >>>>>> crossbones and you see what he did to her

Originally posted by FrothByte
And Batfleck was even my favorite movie Batman version. His warehouse fight scene is better than any fight scene I've seen from Black Widow.

But he just doesn't have the feats to compare to BW at this point. It's actually surprising how little he did in the Snyder Cut of JL. Was expecting more from him.


That's one of the only (the only?) good parts of BvS

Yeah, he was relegated to be more of the brains/leader. Which is kinda fitting as he's a normal human in a world with super beings. But he's still one some level superman, just not BW's level.

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman stomps 10/10.
He has an unfair advantage, his suit.
Is Superman knocked the shit out of him with no effect then what the hell is BW going to do?

She has no way to win without any sort of gadgets.
Batman >>>>>> crossbones and you see what he did to her

Superman was holding back, as we know Superman has the ability to murder him with ease, suit or no suit. You of course know this.

You and SilentMaster are two sides of the same retarded coin with your time-waster-troll antics.

Originally posted by Robtard
Superman was holding back, as we know Superman has the ability to murder him with ease, suit or no suit. You of course know this.

You and SilentMaster are two sides of the same retarded coin with your time-waster-troll antics.

That's just proves how powerful Superman is.
Im not judging the feat by assuming Superman was using all his strength.
I was judging the feat on HOW HARD WE SEE BATMAN WAS STRUCK.
He was struck with some tonnage of force easily.

I'm not trolling here.
I would say BW is slightly better in h2h skill.
Batman is far more durable (suit) and stronger.
The suit alone makes this a stomp.

If both were in plain clothes then I give Batman 6 or 7/10