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Standard Thor.

No Odinforce, no runic magic, no Power Cosmic... no amps at all.


And standard Diana, of course. Bracelets on. No amps.


Whose flesh is harder to penetrate?

Whose flesh is harder to penetrate?

Should I make the obvious joke or wait for someone else to?

Other than bullets, Diana has some very good piercing resistance feats nowadays.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Other than bullets, Diana has some very good piercing resistance feats nowadays.

I always thought their piercing level durability (or lack thereof) came from the fact that they are fantasy/sword and sorcery type characters who use melee weapons so getting stabbed is part of their pastiche

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I always thought their piercing level durability (or lack thereof) came from the fact that they are fantasy/sword and sorcery type characters who use melee weapons so getting stabbed is part of their pastiche

Pretty much.

Also, magic/supernatural/godly energies powers origin doesn't need to make one bit of sense, so it kinda serves as the perfect explanation.

Also shouldn't you put a gauntlet of attacks?

For example:

- A wooden arrow from a compound bow
- A wooden arrow from a crossbow
- A 9mm bullet
- A steel arrow from a crossbow
- A .50 BMG bullet
- A .50 adamantium bullet
- An adamantium spear, sharpened to a single molecule, thrown by 616 Hercules
- The Persuader's axe

etc. ?

Crossbows use bolts, Mike.

Gauntlet is a good idea for a separate thread

It's hard to say.

Thor doesn't have like an amazing piercing resistance feat that I can think of. He's usually more likely to get cut and then keep coming forward, so his feats end up turning into damage soak feats.

Like when Gorr pin cushioned him ever fight and he'd go forward. Or against the Apocalypse twins where Uriel pierced him and he kept coming forward. Or Wolverine having trouble slicing him up.

He's expressed concern over bullets in his early days and got KO'd by that adamantium bullet or whatever, but he's never been straight up shot and penetrated by a bullet that I remember so there's that.

That bullet wasn't adamantium.

Originally posted by Damborgson
adamantium bullet

You mean the Black Panther book?

No such thing. Was a regular sniper bullet. Rage's fan fiction at its worst.

And even in his fanfic it was said to be a vibranium bullet (which is kind of dumb, what's the point of a bullet absorbing kinetic energy when you want to shoot someone in the head).

I think Rage once claimed he found some "extra info" in a letter column or some obscure interview --- but none of us was able to verify it.

Safe bet the source of that myth was another one of his wet dreams with his gf and Somalians.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You mean the Black Panther book?

No such thing. Was a regular sniper bullet. Rage's fan fiction at its worst.

And even in his fanfic it was said to be a vibranium bullet (which is kind of dumb, what's the point of a bullet absorbing kinetic energy when you want to shoot someone in the head).

SMH man. And that myth stuck with me for years.

I mean we gloss over it, but Logan not stabbing him through and through is actually kinda insane as a durability feat if you think about it

Originally posted by Damborgson
SMH man. And that myth stuck with me for years.

Many forum myths endure to this day.

If there is a letter column or interview (or anything, other than his cumrag) proving Rage's fairy tale, I feel it would have been posted already, to be honest.

And while the bullet did KO Thor, it was said his skull was unscathed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I mean we gloss over it, but Logan not stabbing him through and through is actually kinda insane as a durability feat if you think about it

To be fair, Thor was wearing a full-body chainmail and Wolverine's vision was magically obstructed.

In the other story, Erik Larsen did point out that Wolverine becomes less capable once his senses have been tampered with. They play an important part when it comes to his fighting performance, agility stunts or stealth.

Still, definitely a high showing for Thor, as his durability offering him some protection was noted on panel.

I'm pretty sure Tieri was working on the script while Thor still had the Odinforce --- but the first issue (strictly digital, at first) was released after Thor #602, so we need to go with that.

What book are you talking about?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
What book are you talking about?

Sniper bullet = Black Panther volume 3 issue 8.

Thor/Wolverine fight = Wolverine: Wendigo! one-shot (originally released as Wolverine vs. Thor digital exclusive back in 2009).

I know the Wolverine one, I was just wondering about the bullet since if there's something in a letters column I might be able to find it.

Sure, give it a try. I'd appreciate that

https://i.ibb.co/3z6zbrh/clean.jpg

He's firing Photoshop up as we speak.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
He's firing Photoshop up as we speak.

I don't have photoshop.

Also, I resent that implication.

I'm just used to going through letters columns in comics I read and saving anything that seems interesting or important.

Haha I jest, I jest.

It was Paint

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Old scans with letter columns of that run are easily accessible. That's why it always surprised me Rage never once bothered to post the proof.

Tracing the old interviews or online posts is a much harder task --- if the site is dead, the only hope of recovering that material would be screenshots scattered randomly over the web or Wayback Machine.

And while I don't always agree on everything concerning the "no interviews!!!" forum rule with you, we do have such rule for a reason.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


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Old scans with letter columns of that run are easily accessible. That's why it always surprised me Rage never once bothered to post the proof.

Tracing the old interviews or online posts is a much harder task --- if the site is dead, the only hope of recovering that material would be screenshots scattered randomly over the web or Wayback Machine.

And while I don't always agree on everything concerning the "no interviews!!!" forum rule with you, we do have such rule for a reason.

Comic writers do say a lot of stuff in interviews and tweets and such that often contradicts canon information or just plain doesn't make sense.

But I think answers in letter columns are more reliable most of the time.

They can definitely have some useful bits of info.

Like that time when Guggenheim suggested a portion of Logan's brain might have been protected by his skull when he got incarcerated by Nitro with his explosive power boosted further by MGH.

Not only it makes sense, it happened to the DOFP version of the character, as revealed in Paradise X: Heralds.

PS. Intro/recap pages starting the books can also be full of interesting facts, such as describing how exactly mutated Peter "killed" Morlun.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
They can definitely have some useful bits of info.

Like that time when Guggenheim suggested a portion of Logan's brain might have been protected by his skull when he got incarcerated by Nitro with his explosive power boosted further by MGH.

Not only it makes sense, it happened to the DOFP version of the character, as revealed in Paradise X: Heralds.

PS. Intro/recap pages starting the books can also be full of interesting facts, such as describing how exactly mutated Peter "killed" Morlun.

Where in Paradise X?

First issue, X-51 mentions how DOFP Logan's skull protected his brain from getting vaporized by the Sentinel blast.

Diana tanking multiple attacks from God Scraper which could cleave reality and even kill a ghost (Deadman) is better than any piercing resistance feat from Thor.

https://i.postimg.cc/fJ2BxGvs/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/D8MPWq2y/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tsntFYTd/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CZyC7SB3/image.jpg

She also tanked Godkiller which shattered her bracers with minimal damage too.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Diana tanking multiple attacks from God Scraper which could cleave reality and even kill a ghost (Deadman) is better than any piercing resistance feat from Thor.

https://i.postimg.cc/fJ2BxGvs/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/D8MPWq2y/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tsntFYTd/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/CZyC7SB3/image.jpg

She also tanked Godkiller which shattered her bracers with minimal damage too.

Tank?

Originally posted by abhilegend
https://i.postimg.cc/XBZgkJ2S/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/BttN0YJY/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/F1qpsyR9/image.jpg

Even Odinforce Thor gets hurt by bullets lmao

Where is it hurting him? And who's to say those are regular bullets

Carver is right. Banner was completely powerless there, Odin wasa bout to phuck him up and none of the automatic defenses were hurting Thor.

It's as I said - defeat Banner, and Hulk is phucked. Carver is in a real quandary right now lmao.

Originally posted by carver9
Where is it hurting him?
The "Agghh" and "Arggg" must be Thor was enjoying the tickle in his face
https://i.ibb.co/7rcF8Y2/1.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/n0Dnp6S/2.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Carver is right. Banner was completely powerless there, Odin wasa bout to phuck him up and none of the automatic defenses were hurting Thor.

It's as I said - defeat Banner, and Hulk is phucked. Carver is in a real quandary right now lmao.
TBF, Banner had some defenses in his command room. But apparently these defenses are incapable of holding an old man and saving Banner from being strangled

That's powerless Odin, too, considering Thor has 100% of the Odinforce.

Imagine a telepath like Cassandra Nova. She'd eat him.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Those are AIM weapons right?

You could use the same scans to say Thor tanked a ton of bullets to the face. He looks hurt as in pained and annoyed but not hurt as in injured.

Yep, so I initially thought this actually is a showing for Thor's piercing resistance....But I remembered Carver insisted it is full odinforce Thor, so.........

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Standard Thor.

No Odinforce, no runic magic, no Power Cosmic... no amps at all.


And standard Diana, of course. Bracelets on. No amps.


Whose flesh is harder to penetrate? Thor's flesh is harder to penetrate against piercing objects.

Are we saying thor isn't bulletproof now? Really? Like come on people.

Originally posted by light889
Are we saying thor isn't bulletproof now? Really? Like come on people.
He has long been non bulletproof.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He has long been non bulletproof.

How many feats do you know, to suggest he has the type of split durability concept that WW has been shown to have? And what makes you think Diana has better piercing durability these days than him?

Dozens lol

And she has taken slicing attacks better than him, tanked both Godkiller and God Slicer with minimal damage.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Dozens lol


Such as? I didn't see much being posted on this thread.

Because it's common knowledge here. Will check and post those

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it's common knowledge here. Will check and post those

Ok. If you have feats i would appreciate it if you can post them. Because i don0t remember Thor consistently portrayed as having split durability.

Thor is another character whose history I want to eventually go over. But as for the bulletproof/piercing argument, I predict that I'll find a lot of inconsistency.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Because it's common knowledge here. Will check and post those

Don't get stiltman started.

Thor can pierce Diana as Hercules did her mom.

Originally posted by Old Man Whirly!
Thor can pierce Diana as Hercules did her mom.

Not if she cuts it off.

Originally posted by light889
Ok. If you have feats i would appreciate it if you can post them. Because i don0t remember Thor consistently portrayed as having split durability.
https://www.cbr.com/the-wrong-side-a-sniper-vs-thor/

Its still missing a lot of scans.

Originally posted by abhilegend
"Even though there's no need to do so, I deflect thy useless bul... oops."
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_BP_MT183.jpg

"Never fear! Thor is he... oops."
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_Thor_283_03.jpg

"Seriously, though... I don't mean what I say here!"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_BP_MT244.jpg

"Nor here, for that matter."
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_BP_MT243.jpg

"My brother knows not what he says!"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_BP_JIM114.jpg

"ARTILLERY! EEEEEEEK!"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_BP_JIM117a.jpg

"Now I strike b-" -ONK! "gurgle ack"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_BP_JIM117b.jpg

"......"
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/th_Thor_vs_Bullet2.jpg

"or here"

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16002553_thorvspunisher01_zps2ac298bc.jpg

shifty

Here you go.

Even as recent as Thor vs Punisher scene he needed to deflect bullets.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/punisherthor5.jpg

He's also hurt by a RPG.

https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/punisherthor1.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/punisherthor2.jpg
https://arousinggrammardotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/punisherthor3.jpg

Lol. Thor has taken bullets from aircraft fire with no damage whatsoever.

When he no-sells bullets, he usually wears some sort of Asgardian armor, has a massive amp or it's a non-canon showing.

Same case with Diana, actually. They have that in common.

Masterson Thor has been hit with bullets with no armor and no damage.

Masterson Thor is not in my thread, I remind you:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Standard Thor.

You violated the ToS...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
When he no-sells bullets, he usually wears some sort of Asgardian armor, has a massive amp or it's a non-canon showing.

Same case with Diana, actually. They have that in common.

I still don't think he is as susceptible to bullets as WW. well current WW does have better piercing attacks durability feats than other versions. But is that enough to say she is better at piercing damage than him now? I don't think so.