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The entire mutant population of Krakoa with this council at its head:

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a85pgEO_460s.jpg

Receives notice that the Annihilation Wave is about to attack Earth and they're all that's standing in its way:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9d/ed/40/9ded409da07f03bebbba6d30492a61f4.jpg

- T&A, Thanos included

Spite, AW wins even without T&A and Thanos.

AW wins with T&A alone

Yeah sheer numbers should do it, wasn't the A-Wave the size of a star system?

Going with Annihilation Wave, IIRC T&A were abstract level.

Sunfire solos **** and assess, again

Abhi is just a big hater

Krakoa eats them.

People are forgetting mutants like Legion are on Krakoa.

Legion sucks dude

Doesn't matter if he does suck men

Or Magik just sends them all into Limbo. Synch and Hope are also around, plus there is a ton of mental firepower on the mutant side. If they all (Emma/Xavier/Exodus/Cassandra/Cuckoo's/Quentin/ etc) take control of Annihilus, that's the entire fleet gone, because they all follow one guy.

Not to mention the Xorns etc opening black holes in the middle of the battlefield.

The Annihilation Wave blows up earth before the mutants can muster any proper defense. Then Wolverine regenerates, decapitates Annihilus and becomes the sole master of the Wave.

Can't the AW just waste the planet before Krakoa even knows what's going on?

Originally posted by Classic NES
Can't the AW just waste the planet before Krakoa even knows what's going on?

No.

Two things:

1. OP states the Quiet Council receive word that the AW are coming.
2. They have Destiny, who can see the future.

Anyway, as Abhi said:

https://i.postimg.cc/6qN1sqGX/RCO019-1647572031.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/L5BQmSzZ/RCO020-1647572031.jpg

Guess Surfer should've tried amping himself to star levels....

Ugh Destiny is such a trash character.

AWave could solo without Annihilus. People just don't realize how many bugs there were

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ugh Destiny is such a trash character.

AWave could solo without Annihilus. People just don't realize how many bugs there were

Didn't they follow the queens, who followed Annihilus? So mind control him, and the entire wave would follow. Similar to how Cassandra took over the Shi Ar via Lilandra.

Not sure if it has been retconned, but iirc the A-Wave operates under a hive mind of sorts, with Annihilus and his Queens at the center.

So if you were to incapacitate a Queen, for example, the forces under her control would very quickly lose all direction and purpose. So in theory, if you could incapacitate all 3 Queens + Annihilus himself, the entire A-Wave would fold.

That would still leave Thanos + T&A to deal with... But if you gained full telepathic control over Annihilus and his Queens(like you said), then you could just compel the Wave in its entirety to attack them instead. Once that's done, just have all the remaining bugs hakai themselves in a black hole or somesuch.

Do Annihilus and the hive Queens have any telepathy resistance feats?

Originally posted by Glorificus
Do Annihilus and the hive Queens have any telepathy resistance feats?

Even if he did (which I don't think so, off the top of my head) - there's no way they have resistance feats to stop the mutants.

I mean, off the top of my head, we have Emma, Xavier, Jean, Apocalypse and Exodus - and that's just from the Council pic. We also have the Cuckoos, Quentin Quire, Cassandra Nova, then mutants like Hope and Synch who can copy powers.....that's a lot of TP power Annihilus and the queens will need to block.

And that's BEFORE we get into Cerebro or whatever Forge and Sinister cook up to amp them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Even if he did (which I don't think so, off the top of my head) - there's no way they have resistance feats to stop the mutants.

I mean, off the top of my head, we have Emma, Xavier, Jean, Apocalypse and Exodus - and that's just from the Council pic. We also have the Cuckoos, Quentin Quire, Cassandra Nova, then mutants like Hope and Synch who can copy powers.....that's a lot of TP power Annihilus and the queens will need to block.

And that's BEFORE we get into Cerebro or whatever Forge and Sinister cook up to amp them.

Yeah, this looking bad for the wave. Only hope is Thanos and TnA.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ugh Destiny is such a trash character.

AWave could solo without Annihilus. People just don't realize how many bugs there were
Destiny has been quite amazing under Hickman. Granted, that's over now I guess.

Is it any different than people pretending Legion or Jamie don't exist? Or that Tempus can't time travel to give Krakoa more prep time, enabling whatever silly scenario we'd like to play with.

Betsy is Captain Britain now. With notice from Tempus, she could easily ask Elspeth to use her cross dimensional telepathy to mentally make Annihilus kill himself. Elspeth is just an alternate Betsy who has helped them before, so it's not unreasonable.

In a forum setting, it really comes down to how much we're limiting Krakoa here.

Aren't the Quantum Bands supposed to have uber resistance to TP?

Sometimes. I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteed, but there's a lot to consider here.

I feel like people see "Krakoa" and think Cyclops and Nightcrawler without really factoring in all the mutants there.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Sometimes. I'm not saying it's 100% guaranteed, but there's a lot to consider here.

I feel like people see "Krakoa" and think Cyclops and Nightcrawler without really factoring in all the mutants there.

This.

We still have Cortez to amplify powers, Proteus, Jamie Braddock....

So Braddock and Legion are on Krakoa?! Haven't kept up with X-Men. I wonder how powerful the nation is truly. It's interesting because the Wave took on ALOT of races. I just can't see muties handling those numbers

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So Braddock and Legion are on Krakoa?! Haven't kept up with X-Men. I wonder how powerful the nation is truly. It's interesting because the Wave took on ALOT of races. I just can't see muties handling those numbers

Alot of races except the master race: Homo-Superior.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Alot of races except the master race: Homo-Superior.

Naw. They just aren't collectively that powerful or at least haven't displayed the kind of power to take on iirc millions of worlds. I really don't think people remember how Uber that event was

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So Braddock and Legion are on Krakoa?! Haven't kept up with X-Men. I wonder how powerful the nation is truly. It's interesting because the Wave took on ALOT of races. I just can't see muties handling those numbers

Legion and Proteus are. Braddock was at one point - he was there to help terraform Mars.

Mad Jim Jaspers was seen during X of Swords. Just saying.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Legion and Proteus are. Braddock was at one point - he was there to help terraform Mars. interesting. So finger snap battle done?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
interesting. So finger snap battle done?

Nah, he'll give birth to something.

https://i.postimg.cc/jwHYYqNS/RCO028-1648800630.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/wR98qKcc/RCO029-1648800630.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/dkPcfZhf/RCO030-1648800630.jpghttps://i.postimg.cc/9z2rRrL1/RCO031-1648800630.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/64zsTHMs/RCO032-1648800630.jpg

Or Eden can send them to the Sun:
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Hmmm...not convinced. Something more?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmmm...not convinced. Something more?

What do you mean? TP alone would suffice.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What do you mean? TP alone would suffice.

They're going to TP the entire wave? Also iirc the ccr controls the horde.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't they follow the queens, who followed Annihilus? So mind control him, and the entire wave would follow. Similar to how Cassandra took over the Shi Ar via Lilandra.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
They're going to TP the entire wave? Also iirc the ccr controls the horde.

Same ccr that can get taken away from him easier than your virginity, you mean?

kiss

Originally posted by Sin I AM
They're going to TP the entire wave? Also iirc the ccr controls the horde.

So......just TP Annihilus.

Does anyone in krakoa know how the wave works, specifically that they just need to tp annihilus and the whole thing falls?

Rogue probably knows. Captain America used to test her on her knowledge of extinction level events (including the Annihilation Wave, specifically) when they were both Avengers.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Rogue probably knows. Captain America used to test her on her knowledge of extinction level events (including the Annihilation Wave, specifically) when they were both Avengers.

If that's true then between Sunfire and TP then I don't see how the bugs stand a chance. But, that still leaves Thanos and TnA.

I mean....the entirety of the AWave could be sent to fight Thanos, Tenebrous and Aegis.

Assuming those three manage to kill the millions of bugs.....then the entirety of Krakoa would be focusing on them.

Between the reality warpers like Proteus and Legion, not to mention the black hole guys like the two Xorns, plus all that TP firepower..... mutants win this.

Originally posted by Classic NES
If that's true then between Sunfire and TP then I don't see how the bugs stand a chance. But, that still leaves Thanos and TnA.

It depends. If it's the cell that recently faced the X-Men then sure they'd win. If it's the wave from the Annihilation series then no they lose. Plus I'm not sure if they could control that many minds... Annihilus overcame Thanos mind control so maybe he could fight out the muties my biggi takeaway is the sheer numbers the AWave had plus ships and ground troops.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
It depends. If it's the cell that recently faced the X-Men then sure they'd win. If it's the wave from the Annihilation series then no they lose. Plus I'm not sure if they could control that many minds... Annihilus overcame Thanos mind control so maybe he could fight out the muties my biggi takeaway is the sheer numbers the AWave had plus ships and ground troops.

But no-one is talking about mind-controlling all the bugs. Just one person - the guy who holds the CCR, as you yourself pointed out. In this case, it's Annihilus.

Annihlus fought off Thanos' telepathy? When? Even ignoring that, Prof X+Cerebro+Jean+Emma+Sinister+Cable+Cuckoos+Quentin
Quire+Mentallo+Mastermind+Apocalypse+cassandra Nova, all being amped simultaneously by Cortez+Hope+Synch, would annihilate Thanos, to the poitn of extreme overkill.

I mean, even Shadow King is part of Krakoa now, plus Madelyne Pryor and Selene.
https://i.postimg.cc/bGZj541V/RCO032-1651724300.jpg

And taking over the head of an empire is precisely Cassandra's MO:
https://i.postimg.cc/64rK0RC9/RCO006-1468876032.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/N2qYmb9J/RCO021-1468876032.jpg

She never mind-controlled the entire Shi-Ar (that's like, a million worlds). Just Lilandra, and everyone else followed on her word.

All that mental power, focussed on Annihilus? He'd be fried, assuming they don't just take control of him. That's again, ignoring other tactics they can utilise.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But no-one is talking about mind-controlling all the bugs. Just one person - the guy who holds the CCR, as you yourself pointed out. In this case, it's Annihilus.

Annihlus fought off Thanos' telepathy? When? Even ignoring that, Prof X+Cerebro+Jean+Emma+Sinister+Cable+Cuckoos+Quentin
Quire+Mentallo+Mastermind+Apocalypse+cassandra Nova, all being amped simultaneously by Cortez+Hope+Synch, would annihilate Thanos, to the poitn of extreme overkill.

I mean, even Shadow King is part of Krakoa now, plus Madelyne Pryor and Selene.

And Exodus is there too I guess, but yes that lot would be overkill.

Taking over key figures in the wave would probably be a viable strategy.

Take T&A out of it and this could actually be a pretty interesting battle.

Tenebrous and Aegis did nothing of note. They punched and blasted, but that was it. What are their TP resistance feats? Transmutation durability? If Colossus did a fastball special with Logan (then amped by Magneto), would he go through them like nothing? What happens if he headshots them?

Hell, what if Proteus clicks his fingers would they turn into daisies? They have zero feats, really. Eden could send them to the Crunch.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Tenebrous and Aegis did nothing of note.

They took down Galactus.

And? Galactus is a jobber.

Yes, they did- through punches and blasts. Cool , sure, but do they have any other powers?

For example, what happens if Shadowcat phases them?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, they did- through punches and blasts. Cool , sure, but do they have any other powers?

For example, what happens if Shadowcat phases them?

What about implied power Aka power-scaling? For example Mistress Love doesn't have feats but because she's part of the cosmic hierarchy it's implied that she's powerful. Technically, wolverine has more feats than her but you wouldn't argue that logan could beat her?

Both of you are right. Power scaling should be taken into account.

Also, Spot would phuck them up

Originally posted by Classic NES
What about implied power Aka power-scaling? For example Mistress Love doesn't have feats but because she's part of the cosmic hierarchy it's implied that she's powerful. Technically, wolverine has more feats than her but you wouldn't argue that logan could beat her? This is a very good question actually -- how far does the power transference go? We do this with general direct comparison of abilities abilities , but in terms of 'stature'? I'm not sure. T&A obviously have nigh-parity with Galactus , but I don't think it's fair to assume they have all of the other abilities of Galactus, nor is it provable. So this thread can't be a two pseudo nigh-Galactus(es) in the Annihilation Wave.

But with somebody like Mistress Love, or a hypothetical abstract that is featless and is only presented as "part" of a large conglomerate of beings of powers? I don't know -- I'd tend to, unless shown otherwise either not use them, or give them very little credit.

I'm probably wrong about this but I'll forward it anyway. But, don't cosmics and abstracts of a comparable level often share a similar powerset?

Well, pretty much. As they're meant to have almost limitless power.

Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm probably wrong about this but I'll forward it anyway. But, don't cosmics and abstracts of a comparable level often share a similar powerset? Sure. It places them somewhere below Iceman.

https://imgur.com/hkdAZkm

https://imgur.com/NhhxuQU

Originally posted by Smurph
Sure. It places them somewhere below Iceman.

https://imgur.com/hkdAZkm

https://imgur.com/NhhxuQU