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Thor and Hulk in their strongest forms take on the entire shiar empire

how far do they go

Is this form stronger than Rune King Thor?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Is this form stronger than Rune King Thor?
Well, Thor in this form had incomplete Odinforce + Cosmic Power. His best feats are absorbing cosmic power back from Galactus and killing an amped Galactus

Even though he didn't have the full Odinforce, I personally would put him above Rune King Thor. Since he did have some nice feats while Rune King Thor theoretically above Odin, but didn't really do much imo

RKT was more about implied power than anything. Bested weakened Mangog and amped Loki.

PCOF Thor beat massively amped Big G and Black Winter.

Sounds like Galactus jobbing to me.

He was amped

The strongest that he's ever been, according to himself.

If we believe him and take that literally, it means he has surpassed his power levels back when he merged with Gah Lak Tus or when he was Lifebringer.

Still definitely sounds like jobbing, or else that would make this version of Thor multiversal+

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Still definitely sounds like jobbing, or else that would make this version of Thor multiversal+
Well, this version of Galactus still feared Black White who was destroying universe one by one in this arc. So yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean Cosmic Thor was multiversal+, but he definitely had more feats to draw from his pocket than RKT

Edit:
Actually, this amped Galactus got his shit owned by Black White before Thor saved him....So, yeah it definitely looks like Black White( a multi-universes/destroying universes one by one power) > Amped Galactus in this arc

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, this version of Galactus still feared Black White who was destroying universe one by one in this arc. So yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean Cosmic Thor was multiversal+, but he definitely had more feats to draw from his pocket than RKT

Edit:
Actually, this amped Galactus got his shit owned by Black White before Thor saved him....So, yeah it definitely looks like Black White( a multi-universes/destroying universes one by one power) > Amped Galactus in this arc

Then I think the statement about this version of Galactus being so strong was probably hyperbole. What happened to the Ultimate Nullifier?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Then I think the statement about this version of Galactus being so strong was probably hyperbole. What happened to the Ultimate Nullifier?
This story didn't refer/mention it IIRC

TBH at this point it seems to me that maybe the pre-2015 Secret Wars Marvel should be treated as a completely different continuity, as that event seems to have changed as many things as COIE did in DC.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
TBH at this point it seems to me that maybe the pre-2015 Secret Wars Marvel should be treated as a completely different continuity, as that event seems to have changed as many things as COIE did in DC.
Well, Galactus still was a universal constant in that arc and his energies were used to destroy Black Winter, so I think an argument could be made that at that arc Thor was a universal power. But that is it

https://ibb.co/fMdCn8z
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Anyway, some recap for Thor and Black Winter's power levels in that arc( Thor 2020 series 1-6 issues)

Statements about he destroyed universes
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On panel showing
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Black Winter owns amped Galactus until Thor saves him

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Thor kills amped Galactus and uses Galactus energies to kill Black Winter
https://ibb.co/N7gcP6F
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https://ibb.co/fMdCn8z
https://ibb.co/bBZK7PM
https://ibb.co/5vpnRd6
https://ibb.co/WkdLpnP

Note: Thor's Odinforce wasn't complete confirmed in issue 22, Thor only had the full Odinforce when Odin died in said issue

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Well, this version of Galactus still feared Black White who was destroying universe one by one in this arc. So yeah, it doesn't necessarily mean Cosmic Thor was multiversal+, but he definitely had more feats to draw from his pocket than RKT

Edit:
Actually, this amped Galactus got his shit owned by Black White before Thor saved him....So, yeah it definitely looks like Black White( a multi-universes/destroying universes one by one power) > Amped Galactus in this arc

Was Black Winter actually called "Black White" or it's just a mistake on your part here?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Was Black Winter actually called "Black White" or it's just a mistake on your part here?
Yep, I got lawest9ed when I typed it.

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
Yep, I got lawest9ed when I typed it.



No worries, happens to the best of us.

Though I need to say, I'm feeling kinda proud of calling Blue Marvel, "Blue Adam" biscuits

Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
incomplete Odinforce

Meh. I'm gonna go full carver here and say "Odinforce is Odinforce".

This poor writing of retconning Odinforce to be a partial Odinforce is an old trick - Straczynski did it first. Cates can't do anything original?

Seemed more like a futile attempt to wipe thorbags' tears.

What happened, happened. And Cates stated plenty of times it was his intent to make Thor as uber as possible.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
TBH at this point it seems to me that maybe the pre-2015 Secret Wars Marvel should be treated as a completely different continuity, as that event seems to have changed as many things as COIE did in DC.
Galactus was always a jobber skyfather level character. Only forums treated him with any kind of respect by some cherry picked feats.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Still definitely sounds like jobbing, or else that would make this version of Thor multiversal+
Galactus was never even universal forget about multiversal lol

Some people are still going to believe RKT was more powerful, based on implied power alone.

Same thing with Unipower Hulk and WBH...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


No worries, happens to the best of us.

Though I need to say, I'm feeling kinda proud of calling Blue Marvel, "Blue Adam" biscuits



Meh. I'm gonna go full carver here and say "Odinforce is Odinforce".

This poor writing of retconning Odinforce to be a partial Odinforce is an old trick - Straczynski did it first. Cates can't do anything original?

Seemed more like a futile attempt to wipe thorbags' tears.

What happened, happened. And Cates stated plenty of times it was his intent to make Thor as uber as possible.

Didn't Cates write both books?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Didn't Cates write both books?

He's written the whole current volume of Thor.

But it took him 2.5 years to come up with the "oh, it wasn't OF at 100%" excuse. That's some pussyfooting.

The power will always be diluted somewhat. It's what makes Asgardians and their realm exist, after all.

Only JBL can tell me who wins

How powerful are Shi'ar gods, exactly?

I imagine Mind wants them to be here?

Or just Shi'ar army and Imperial Guard?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How powerful are Shi'ar gods, exactly?

I imagine Mind wants them to be here?

Or just Shi'ar army and Imperial Guard?

gods included

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Only JBL can tell me who wins
I'll never get to know

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Some people are still going to believe RKT was more powerful, based on implied power alone.

Same thing with Unipower Hulk and WBH...

except amped thor is on a much higher level than amped hulk

Double post. Could not edit. Hulk, and Thor clean house here. Unless someone believes that Gladiator jumps in to save the day?