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I mean, Black Adam comes to mind..

Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Venom, Justice League, Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Aquaman, Age of Ultron, Endgame, The Amazing Spiderman 2, Suicide Squad, etc.

Those are just some of the worst ones that I've seen.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I mean, Black Adam comes to mind..

Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Venom, Justice League, Birds of Prey, Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, Aquaman, Age of Ultron, Endgame, The Amazing Spiderman 2, Suicide Squad, etc.

Those are just some of the worst ones that I've seen. The Suicide Squad... mhmm

Suicide Squad (2016). Not THE Suicide Squad (2021).

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!!

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Suicide Squad (2016). Not THE Suicide Squad (2021).

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!!

Wonder Woman 84. Not Wonder Woman.

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!!

Yeah, WW was okay. I didn't see 1984 because it was apparently such utter garbage. But WW did end with some brainless bashing each other, which is why I mentioned it.

Honestly I miss poignant movies like Network or Raging Bull. Heck, I'd settle for Scrooged.


Because lets be honest, the MCU is the best we have now and they can't hold a candle to Ridley Scott or Tim Burton in their prime, much less Martin Scorsese.


God, Martin Scorsese's couldn't even operate in todays environment, you don't get a genius films from commitee, branding, focus groups.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
Suicide Squad (2016). Not THE Suicide Squad (2021).

GET YOUR SHIT STRAIGHT!! Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly I miss poignant movies like Network or Raging Bull. Heck, I'd settle for Scrooged.


Because lets be honest, the MCU is the best we have now and they can't hold a candle to Ridley Scott or Tim Burton in their prime, much less Martin Scorsese.


God, Martin Scorsese's couldn't even operate in todays environment, you don't get a genius films from commitee, branding, focus groups. we've had a few good ones in the last 10 years, like the greenbook, the dig, even the founder, but so much shit. When something as bad and forgettable as everywhere, everything all at once is winning Oscars, these are the end days

James Gunn isn't wrong on this topic.

Originally posted by cdtm
Honestly I miss poignant movies like Network or Raging Bull. Heck, I'd settle for Scrooged.


Because lets be honest, the MCU is the best we have now and they can't hold a candle to Ridley Scott or Tim Burton in their prime, much less Martin Scorsese.


God, Martin Scorsese's couldn't even operate in todays environment, you don't get a genius films from commitee, branding, focus groups.

How do you figure much is the best we have now? Plenty of Movies that are a lot better.

James Gunn isnt wrong. Its entertaining mostly, but nothing truly memorable. Especially not in the last 4 years or so. Its strange cause there are so many comic stories and characters that have so much potential. The fact that it has to be somewhat kid friendly doesnt help either of course...

Originally posted by Kazenji
James Gunn isn't wrong on this topic. he certainly isn't.

Originally posted by Thinkerer

Its strange cause there are so many comic stories and characters that have so much potential. The fact that it has to be somewhat kid friendly doesnt help either of course...

Also depends on the character too

not every single character that gets adapted needs to have a R rated movie.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Also depends on the character too

not every single character that gets adapted needs to have a R rated movie.

Martin Scorsese was spot on about the vast majority of superhero movies the same and formulaic. Something needs to change.

What he should have said was, most DC superhero movies are boring.

That's why they hired him to be their latest savior, isn't it? After Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder got it started, then Zack Snyder went his own way and things started going sideways, then it was supposed to be Geoff Johns & Jon Berg, then Walter Hamada, then J.J. Abrams (who's probably going to finish his time at Warners without a single DC project produced), and even Dwayne Johnson was trying to be a DC movie architect.

Meanwhile, Marvel Studios has had one guy for 15 years, Kevin Feige. And it's been enough.

Originally posted by roughrider
What he should have said was, most DC superhero movies are boring.

That's why they hired him to be their latest savior, isn't it? After Christopher Nolan and Zack Snyder got it started, then Zack Snyder went his own way and things started going sideways, then it was supposed to be Geoff Johns & Jon Berg, then Walter Hamada, then J.J. Abrams (who's probably going to finish his time at Warners without a single DC project produced), and even Dwayne Johnson was trying to be a DC movie architect.

Meanwhile, Marvel Studios has had one guy for 15 years, Kevin Feige. And it's been enough.

Most of the recent MCU films are horrible.

Originally posted by Senor Cage
Most of the recent MCU films are horrible.

Same goes for the DC flicks too in that regard.

While I don't disagree with Gunn, I think it's a bit rich when he's partially responsible for things being the way they are.

Originally posted by -Pr-
While I don't disagree with Gunn, I think it's a bit rich when he's partially responsible for things being the way they are.
Which of his films were a miss or emotionally deprived?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Which of his films were a miss or emotionally deprived?

Guardians 2 I would say is a good example.

I was speaking more about how Marvel has been continually trying to ape what he and Whedon did with the first Avengers and GOTG, though.

GOTG 3 is probably the best MCU film since IW

Originally posted by Senor Cage
GOTG 3 is probably the best MCU film since IW

Nah. No Way Home was better. The fact that GotG3 is 2nd though from all of phase 4 and 5 is borderline depressing because it wouldn't even make my top 10 MCU films

Infinity War
Ragnarock
Winter Soldier
GotG 1
Civil War
Endgame
Avengers 1
Thor 1
Ant Man
No Way Home

(The IM movies are trash. It is known. This is the way. Other applicable pop culture references)

Originally posted by jaden_2.0

(The IM movies are trash. It is known. This is the way. Other applicable pop culture references)

All of them?...nope

only the sequels, 2nd movie is average and 3rd is a dumpster fire.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
Nah. No Way Home was better. The fact that GotG3 is 2nd though from all of phase 4 and 5 is borderline depressing because it wouldn't even make my top 10 MCU films

Infinity War
Ragnarock
Winter Soldier
GotG 1
Civil War
Endgame
Avengers 1
Thor 1
Ant Man
No Way Home

Endgame is shit. It's honestly one of the worst MCU films.

I'm not a fan of MCU Spiderman movies either.

I wasn't a fan of the Spiderman Trilogy or the Amazing Spiderman films so wasn't fussed about the gimmicky multiverse aspect but No Way Home was still better than anything else in phase 4 or 5 (not that that's saying much though)

I think Endgame gets a lot of bad reaction because everyone had their own ideas of how character's arcs should have ended (I, for one, have really disliked how Hulk has been continuously gimped throughout the entire Infinity saga and hoped it was because he'd finally be unleashed in Endgame. Instead he just got even more gimped and from what I've read, She-Hulk continued that to the nth degree) Other people obviously didn't like Cap or Stark's endings

When those multiple competing expectations aren't fulfilled then you get a lot of disappointed people.

With phase 4 and 5 it seems everyone is disappointed with everything 😂

The volumes of utter trash they are churning out now is unreal. It's not even surprising because you only have to look at the phase 5 directors to see that almost all of them have almost no pedigree and what little they've done previously is almost all mediocre, unknown failures.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Guardians 2 I would say is a good example.

I was speaking more about how Marvel has been continually trying to ape what he and Whedon did with the first Avengers and GOTG, though.


GoTG was only good because of Batista.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I wasn't a fan of the Spiderman Trilogy or the Amazing Spiderman films so wasn't fussed about the gimmicky multiverse aspect but No Way Home was still better than anything else in phase 4 or 5 (not that that's saying much though)

I think Endgame gets a lot of bad reaction because everyone had their own ideas of how character's arcs should have ended (I, for one, have really disliked how Hulk has been continuously gimped throughout the entire Infinity saga and hoped it was because he'd finally be unleashed in Endgame. Instead he just got even more gimped and from what I've read, She-Hulk continued that to the nth degree) Other people obviously didn't like Cap or Stark's endings

When those multiple competing expectations aren't fulfilled then you get a lot of disappointed people.

With phase 4 and 5 it seems everyone is disappointed with everything 😂

The volumes of utter trash they are churning out now is unreal. It's not even surprising because you only have to look at the phase 5 directors to see that almost all of them have almost no pedigree and what little they've done previously is almost all mediocre, unknown failures.


You can always tell someone who builds something great is a genius because what they built is proof of that, it's a lot harder vetting people to be successors to that genius.


Or put another way, anyone can run a kingdom after someone else builds it. Anyone can do it poorly.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
I wasn't a fan of the Spiderman Trilogy or the Amazing Spiderman films so wasn't fussed about the gimmicky multiverse aspect but No Way Home was still better than anything else in phase 4 or 5 (not that that's saying much though)

I think Endgame gets a lot of bad reaction because everyone had their own ideas of how character's arcs should have ended (I, for one, have really disliked how Hulk has been continuously gimped throughout the entire Infinity saga and hoped it was because he'd finally be unleashed in Endgame. Instead he just got even more gimped and from what I've read, She-Hulk continued that to the nth degree) Other people obviously didn't like Cap or Stark's endings

When those multiple competing expectations aren't fulfilled then you get a lot of disappointed people.

With phase 4 and 5 it seems everyone is disappointed with everything 😂

The volumes of utter trash they are churning out now is unreal. It's not even surprising because you only have to look at the phase 5 directors to see that almost all of them have almost no pedigree and what little they've done previously is almost all mediocre, unknown failures. Spot on!

Thought Thor 1 was boring and No Way Home was solid but GOTG had much more emotion for me.

Originally posted by jaden_2.0
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I think Endgame gets a lot of bad reaction because everyone had their own ideas of how character's arcs should have ended (I, for one, have really disliked how Hulk has been continuously gimped throughout the entire Infinity saga and hoped it was because he'd finally be unleashed in Endgame. Instead he just got even more gimped and from what I've read, She-Hulk continued that to the nth degree) Other people obviously didn't like Cap or Stark's endings

When those multiple competing expectations aren't fulfilled then you get a lot of disappointed people.

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I didn't care about any of that. I'm more of a casual viewer and just thought the writing was lame and predictable. Where Infinity War was fun and exciting and imaginative, Endgame was completely dull, depressing, and uninteresting. I guess it ticked some fan-service boxes, though. And I haven't noticed it getting much hate. It's typically hailed as one of the highlights of comicbook movies. I think that must be for the fan-service comicbook orgy fight at the end? Because I can't think of any other reason.

Originally posted by Patient_Leech
I didn't care about any of that. I'm more of a casual viewer and just thought the writing was lame and predictable. Where Infinity War was fun and exciting and imaginative, Endgame was completely dull, depressing, and uninteresting. I guess it ticked some fan-service boxes, though. And I haven't noticed it getting much hate. It's typically hailed as one of the highlights of comicbook movies. I think that must be for the fan-service comicbook orgy fight at the end? Because I can't think of any other reason. yeah, endgame was shit. I agree. The fights in these things are nothing like comic fights though. Zod vs Superman was far nearer in comic fights as was Avengers.

Originally posted by cdtm
You can always tell someone who builds something great is a genius because what they built is proof of that, it's a lot harder vetting people to be successors to that genius.


Or put another way, anyone can run a kingdom after someone else builds it. Anyone can do it poorly. have you watched the founder...