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Hawkman
Dr. Fate
Cyclone
Atom Smasher
Black Adam

vs

Captain America
Iron Man
Thor (Mjolnir)
Hulk (Pre-Infinity War)
Scarlet Witch
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Quicksilver
Vision

Who wins?

Avengers.

Basically this is BA vs QS. Everyone will be a statue to both BA and QS.
QS might not have the strength to bother BA.
If he does then QS can solo. If not the BA solos.

Originally posted by h1a8
Basically this is BA vs QS. Everyone will be a statue to both BA and QS.
QS might not have the strength to bother BA.
If he does then QS can solo. If not the BA solos.

You mean like how Hawkman was a statue to BS and was unable to land any hits whatsoever because of how fast BA was?

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean like how Hawkman was a statue to BS and was unable to land any hits whatsoever because of how fast BA was?
^^^

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean like how Hawkman was a statue to BS and was unable to land any hits whatsoever because of how fast BA was? Fiction inconsistency. Unless you want to claim that Hawkman is faster than bullets which BA easily sees moving in almost still motion?

Scarlet Witch could hypothetically KO Adam. Her scenes were riddled with PIS and CIS.

If not, Adam could solo the Avengers.

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean like how Hawkman was a statue to BS and was unable to land any hits whatsoever because of how fast BA was? Dude you still on this? But yeah, You know that actually happened lol. When BA wanted it hawkman didn't land any. I think you're being deliberately obtuse.

If we're going to go down the "statue" crap again then lets play it the other way.

Vision solos.

^^^

Originally posted by tkitna
If we're going to go down the "statue" crap again then lets play it the other way.

Vision solos.

How does he solo? He would be frozen at the start of the bell. And I don't see a reliable way for him to put down BA.

Originally posted by h1a8
How does he solo? He would be frozen at the start of the bell. And I don't see a reliable way for him to put down BA.

Vision can turn intangible and disrupt the inner body. If BA sees him as a statue and is unable to harm him in the same breath than stalemate right? Before you respond, remember as you point out - fictional inconsistency.

Originally posted by tkitna
Vision can turn intangible and disrupt the inner body. If BA sees him as a statue and is unable to harm him in the same breath than stalemate right? Before you respond, remember as you point out - fictional inconsistency.

1. Vision doesn't start intangible. He would be a statue at the start.
2. You have to prove that Vision will think of going intangible to disrupt BA insides.
3. You have to prove that with that tactic he's able to affect BA or someone near BA durability, assuming BA stands there and allows it.
4. You have to prove that he would even catch up to BA or BA will sit still and allow it (BA can easily move away).

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Vision doesn't start intangible. He would be a statue at the start.
2. You have to prove that Vision will think of going intangible to disrupt BA insides.
3. You have to prove that with that tactic he's able to affect BA or someone near BA durability, assuming BA stands there and allows it.
4. You have to prove that he would even catch up to BA or BA will sit still and allow it (BA can easily move away).

Lol. I dont have to prove anything. Prove BA can see characters beside normal humans as statues?

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. I dont have to prove anything. Prove BA can see characters beside normal humans as statues?

Then you lose the debate.

If characters move as fast as humans then he can.
If characters move as fast a bullet then he can't. But he can see bullets in slow motion. Vision would be somewhere between a human and a bullet, but closer to a human.

Originally posted by h1a8
Then you lose the debate.

If characters move as fast as humans then he can.
If characters move as fast a bullet then he can't. But he can see bullets in slow motion. Vision would be somewhere between a human and a bullet, but closer to a human.

Doesnt matter his speed if BA cant touch him now does it? Stalemate at best for BA and a loss at worst.

Originally posted by tkitna
Doesnt matter his speed if BA cant touch him now does it? Stalemate at best for BA and a loss at worst.

Vision will not go intangible at the start.
1. He doesn't have the propensity to
2. He will be frozen

Vision will not stay in intangible form
1. He doesn't have the propensity to do so

Lightning can affect Vision in intangible form.
1. He is an electrical being.
2. He has no feats of withstanding lightning while intangible.

Originally posted by h1a8
Vision will not go intangible at the start.
1. He doesn't have the propensity to
2. He will be frozen

Vision will not stay in intangible form
1. He doesn't have the propensity to do so

Lightning can affect Vision in intangible form.
1. He is an electrical being.
2. He has no feats of withstanding lightning while intangible.

Lol. BA wont be seeing everybody as a statue either because he doesnt have the propensity to do so. Thanks for destroying your own argument for me.

Show me feats of the Vision not withstanding lightning while intangible. He's had plenty of beams and so forth pass through him so why not lightning? Your making stuff up at this point.

Originally posted by tkitna
Lol. BA wont be seeing everybody as a statue either because he doesnt have the propensity to do so. Thanks for destroying your own argument for me.

Show me feats of the Vision not withstanding lightning while intangible. He's had plenty of beams and so forth pass through him so why not lightning? Your making stuff up at this point. He doesn't need the propensity to see them as statues. It's not a power he needs to activate. It's always on.
Even if it was then the very first scene proves he has the propensity to do so.

Not that I don't believe you, I just don't remember. Show me these beams going through him. I might except lightning going through him. Lightning has an electric field associated with it. Vision is still electrical being, subject to electrical fields, even while intangible.

My argument is multifaceted. Attacking one part doesn't change the outcome. You have to destroy ALL POINTS.

Originally posted by h1a8
He doesn't need the propensity to see them as statues. It's not a power he needs to activate. It's always on.
Even if it was then the very first scene proves he has the propensity to do so.

Not that I don't believe you, I just don't remember. Show me these beams going through him. I might except lightning going through him. Lightning has an electric field associated with it. Vision is still electrical being, subject to electrical fields, even while intangible.

My argument is multifaceted. Attacking one part doesn't change the outcome. You have to destroy ALL POINTS.

If its always on, why were Hawkman and the others able to hit him? Your talking out of your butt on that one.

As for the rest of it, i'm not going back a looking at his appearances. He did it a bunch in Wandavision and theres other examples in the Avenger movies.

Originally posted by tkitna
If its always on, why were Hawkman and the others able to hit him? Your talking out of your butt on that one.

As for the rest of it, i'm not going back a looking at his appearances. He did it a bunch in Wandavision and theres other examples in the Avenger movies.

Fiction inconsistency. Perception speed is like durability. You can't turn it off. Common sense really.

You claimed he can make energy beams phase through him. Prove it. I've never seen that.

Lastly, unless you defeat all points (not one or some) then I still win the debate.

Originally posted by h1a8
Fiction inconsistency. Perception speed is like durability. You can't turn it off. Common sense really.

You claimed he can make energy beams phase through him. Prove it. I've never seen that.

Lastly, unless you defeat all points (not one or some) then I still win the debate.

And yet every character with speed turns it off constantly. Flash, Quicksilver, Superman, etc,,,.

When I get time i'll do your homework for you.

How you perceive is affected by ones capacity to focus and unfocus. Focus on a particular thing can leave you distracted from others, especially when in deep focus. Als emotions and state of mind play a role in this ability.

Originally posted by Thinkerer
How you perceive is affected by ones capacity to focus and unfocus. Focus on a particular thing can leave you distracted from others, especially when in deep focus. Als emotions and state of mind play a role in this ability.

According to H1, focus and perception is always on and people and characters never get distracted.

It was never stated that these specific character have synchronous multi-focusing mental abilities. I guess they could, but it doesnt make sense based on their feats.

Originally posted by tkitna
According to H1, focus and perception is always on and people and characters never get distracted. And when characters are fighting to the best of their ability where plot doesn't exist (aka Full Capacity) then clearly any character will have their speed perceptions activated before the bell assuming they are not always on.