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Regular Hulk stomps, Titan Hulk massacres.

Regular Hulk was taking on a Celestial teamed up with an Odin powered Thor, and it was stated that once he stopped holding back, he could kill the both of them. By the way, this was done by a dying Hulk. Titan was more powerful than this version of Hulk that was said as being far more dangerous than anything the Avengers has faced. This same Hulk withstood attacks without a scratch that destroy Celestial bodies and armor. Every single time Superman face anything similar to the Hulk, he gets overwhelmed. I can only imagine what would happen if he faced the real deal. Titan is an amped version of the weakened version of Hulk and would drain Superman dry and destroy him with ease.

He could also scream across galaxies

jon kent could oneshot the most powerful hulk, let alone superman

Originally posted by carver9
Regular Hulk stomps, Titan Hulk massacres. Originally posted by carver9
Regular Hulk was taking on a Celestial teamed up with an Odin powered Thor, and it was stated that once he stopped holding back, he could kill the both of them. By the way, this was done by a dying Hulk. Titan was more powerful than this version of Hulk that was said as being far more dangerous than anything the Avengers has faced. This same Hulk withstood attacks without a scratch that destroy Celestial bodies and armor. Every single time Superman face anything similar to the Hulk, he gets overwhelmed. I can only imagine what would happen if he faced the real deal. Titan is an amped version of the weakened version of Hulk and would drain Superman dry and destroy him with ease.
What does amped version of weakened hulk even mean carver?

Originally posted by abhilegend
What does amped version of weakened hulk even mean carver?

Hulk while dying took on a Celestial and Odin Force Thor. Titan is a more powerful version of this Hulk who absorbs energy and rip through dimensions. He stomps this with ease. 😃

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk while dying took on a Celestial and Odin Force Thor. Titan is a more powerful version of this Hulk who absorbs energy and rip through dimensions. He stomps this with ease. 😃
Really?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Somehow I missed this one, Pariah created actual universes to hold Justice League. Superman destroyed these universes just powering up.

https://i.ibb.co/BNz1jMF/R2-XJm-HAc-Mxb-LA7h-GITKq-DXk7fl-Dp-NUnw-Iwy-Pehkxuz4km-KKZ-e0hm5-Prk-Itc-Xlwj-V4de-W8myf-IMn6-Euf-I.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gddhYBs/ADCre-Hd10-V-rpoz-v-BFe98-PJbzeh45-Gu-Folz5-NJxoudj97f3uhsii-R4j-MBYH7-Gn1-GZ0-T4-Ti-C8l-Owt-XIGKJy9.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gv98494/ADCre-Hd-Nkd-GUorb-Aw-WIx-TJ962-QUv520fq-Hm0-Ybzk49-H-C9o8-Hpv5-SNrxphc3-CS-k-OJQKYk-E20e8x-Aqv-OJG.jpg https://i.ibb.co/wcW0TTM/ADCre-He-TYp91-YG0k-F1xy-VJ8-VBi-Aqk806z4r-Zw-V-0wn-HG734j-XLCgqxp-VM9iiy-4-Gunx4-Mn-ZFs-R2nn54q-Q4.jpg https://i.ibb.co/prpp6p2/ZJr-Na3-Y-v-Zy0a-Ithfmq-G0q3mi-YDAqh-RH4-RXPZWvrgyi-Qm-CPMHp-THCYJas-LSBSq-Dncv-Co-TMe-Ri-J19-B7-FBM.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yn827Ym/ja7pn-HWd7j-44wln3-IFUj-Mi-C8d88-OM3kna-VPa-Nd71-EMRf-Jzpb-Dm-N-LKDv-Sd-ALrb6c7ye-Wrs-VU4-Ck-YQwk-Eq.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0yrGh8N/uyjq-RRHuvtu-Vqu-UWb-Q2-Kr-qed-F-i-ZHC2-VKJPIt-6fsjtb-RMvcd9-Kxg3am-Rep-Fxf1k-I9-KVB5bs-Rc-Kz-V2-Uj5.jpg

Can hulk destroy universes just powering up carver? 🤔🤔🤔

When did Superman power up and destroy a Universe?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Can hulk destroy universes just powering up carver? 🤔🤔🤔 facepalm

Originally posted by carver9
When did Superman power up and destroy a Universe?
Read the scans carvster

Even Golden Age Supes can bear the Hulk.

Still not sure what Titan can do against BFR....

Or getting punched in the face.

Bump

Superman didn't destroy a Universe, lol.

Originally posted by Smurph
facepalm

indeed

Superman

Originally posted by carver9
Superman didn't destroy a Universe, lol.
Of course he did. Originally posted by leonidas
indeed
Whatchu laughing at old man? Would you like to go at me after Smurph failed spectacularly?

Originally posted by Smurph
So... you accept that their "mental connections to the construction of the worlds" helped them escape the universes but you refuse to believe that the same "mental connections to the construction of the worlds" had anything to do with the worlds becoming deconstructed?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes
Originally posted by Smurph
And you instead prefer to believe that worlds fell apart because Superman flexed?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Yes

jockey

abhi there is really nothing more to say than the above. your interpretation is.....grossly misleading doesn't do it justice lol

Originally posted by Smurph
jockey
You're again confusing correlation with causation, rookie mistake tbh. Originally posted by leonidas
abhi there is really nothing more to say than the above. your interpretation is.....grossly misleading doesn't do it justice lol


My interpretation is the only valid one, based on actual evidence. Anything else is pure conjecture.

I took it as a willpower feat more than anything. Supes will is supreme.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You're again confusing correlation with causation, rookie mistake tbh.


My interpretation is the only valid one, based on actual evidence. Anything else is pure conjecture.

How did the other people survive Superman destroying a Universe they were also in? Do they have universe busting durability?

obvs carv.

juntai is 100% right. it was clearly a feat of mental strength--one he'd been preparing for apparently a very very long time. i equate it to him having found the key to his prison. took a long time to find it but once he had it the prison couldn't hold him. to suggest he somehow used his powers to destroy a universe is....not the best interpretation

World War Abhi.

Originally posted by Juntai
I took it as a willpower feat more than anything. Supes will is supreme.


Originally posted by qwertyuiop1998
TBF, I think it's more like Dominus Vs Superman back in the 90s
Dominus uses Superman's mind to create alternate realities and Superman just has total control of his mind so he easily breaks through Dominus creations

I think it's feat for Superman's willpower/intelligence

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
World War Abhi.

laughcry

Originally posted by carver9
How did the other people survive Superman destroying a Universe they were also in? Do they have universe busting durability?
How did Hulk's pants survive WBH busting a planet?

Originally posted by leonidas
obvs carv.

juntai is 100% right. it was clearly a feat of mental strength--one he'd been preparing for apparently a very very long time. i equate it to him having found the key to his prison. took a long time to find it but once he had it the prison couldn't hold him. to suggest he somehow used his powers to destroy a universe is....not the best interpretation
Pure conjecture, nothing else. I'm not interpreting anything, it's what happens in the comic. Rest of the justice league escaped the world's they were trapped in, none of them destroyed their worlds.

Originally posted by Smurph

Conjecture and Argumentum Ad Populum, quite a combo.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Conjecture and Argumentum Ad Populum, quite a combo. Ah yes, right

And I believe the Latin term for the logical fallacy you are relying on is "sticking your fingers in your ears and looking like a ****ing clown"

Originally posted by Smurph
Ah yes, right

And I believe the Latin term for the logical fallacy you are relying on is "sticking your fingers in your ears and looking like a ****ing clown"


I'm the only one who's providing actual facts from the comic, you're too busy pulling things out of your ass.

lol he became LUCID. there's no conjecture. there are words that go with the pretty pictures lol the words AND pictures work together to tell the story. it's astounding you can still be doing this so many years later... but constants are comforting

Originally posted by abhilegend
How did Hulk's pants survive WBH busting a planet?

This doesn't even make sense. So you're saying Superman destroyed a Universe but we can't give the characters that was right in front of him Universe busting durability? Do you not understand how dumb this reads?

If Beyonder destroys a Universe and Wolverine survives, does that not translate to Wolverine having Universe busting durability?

Originally posted by abhilegend


I'm the only one who's providing actual facts from the comic, you're too busy pulling things out of your ass. Your interpretation requires ignoring the words on the page. None of your "facts" change that.

Look, we both know that you're not capable of admitting when you made a mistake, so idea of debate becomes pointless. You can't bring yourself to talk about the comic in good faith, but you also can't manage to convince anybody that Superman destroyed a universe by powering up, since everybody can just... read the words on the page.

Batman, Wonder Woman, Deadman and Green Lanter have Universal durability thanks to ABHI..

https://i.ibb.co/d4L7GcZ/Screenshot-20240621-173902-Chrome.png
https://i.ibb.co/cbQLGxy/Screenshot-20240621-173921-Chrome.png

Originally posted by leonidas
lol he became LUCID. there's no conjecture. there are words that go with the pretty pictures lol the words AND pictures work together to tell the story. it's astounding you can still be doing this so many years later... but constants are comforting
So did the rest of the League when they escaped their worlds, none of them destroyed their worlds.

This is lulzworthy. Originally posted by carver9
This doesn't even make sense. So you're saying Superman destroyed a Universe but we can't give the characters that was right in front of him Universe busting durability? Do you not understand how dumb this reads?

If Beyonder destroys a Universe and Wolverine survives, does that not translate to Wolverine having Universe busting durability?
Yes carvster, Hulk's pants have planetary durability. Originally posted by Smurph
Your interpretation requires ignoring the words on the page. None of your "facts" change that.

Look, we both know that you're not capable of admitting when you made a mistake, so idea of debate becomes pointless. You can't bring yourself to talk about the comic in good faith, but you also can't manage to convince anybody that Superman destroyed a universe by powering up, since everybody can just... read the words on the page.
Riddle me this Smurph, the rest of the League also escaped their worlds and became aware of their true selves yet none of them destroyed their worlds. Why was that?

Because Superman's willpower + intelligence is elite

The other's figured out how to escape their worlds but Superman figured out how to use their "mental connection to the construction of the worlds" to deconstruct the worlds. They achieved escaping the dream; he achieved lucid dreaming.

I'm just repeating the words that are on the page man. It's all right there. Just like, take a breather and re-read it. Slowly.

Originally posted by Smurph
Because Superman's willpower + intelligence is elite

The other's figured out how to escape their worlds but Superman figured out how to use their "mental connection to the construction of the worlds" to deconstruct the worlds. They achieved escaping the dream; he achieved lucid dreaming.

I'm just repeating the words that are on the page man. It's all right there. Just like, take a breather and re-read it. Slowly.
You got all that from just one word "Lucid", huh? Also as I already demonstrated, those worlds weren't dream worlds but actual physical realities, so again, pulling things out of your ass.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Pariah outright creates new realities on panel bro.

https://ibb.co/gddhYBs

In fact, the universe where Superman is gets infected by great darkness just like prime Earth.

https://i.postimg.cc/K4vQwsZ6/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/0KC8nRgy/image.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/7fmHTkMB/image.jpg

I didn't take you for such a carver like attitude.

Originally posted by abhilegend
So did the rest of the League when they escaped their worlds, none of them destroyed their worlds.

This is lulzworthy.
Yes carvster, Hulk's pants have planetary durability.
Riddle me this Smurph, the rest of the League also escaped their worlds and became aware of their true selves yet none of them destroyed their worlds. Why was that?

ABHI, this is not how this works. You're giving Superman fts while neglecting the same thing for other characters. That's called picking and choosing. Also, lol, cloths tend to survive everything. This is how comics work. Prime was fully dressed when he survived universal destruction. Hyperion was fully dressed. This doesn't change the fact that Wonder Woman and Batman per your argument survived universal destruction. Stop picking and choosing.

Originally posted by carver9
ABHI, this is not how this works. You're giving Superman fts while neglecting the same thing for other characters. That's called picking and choosing. Also, lol, cloths tend to survive everything. This is how comics work. Prime was fully dressed when he survived universal destruction. Hyperion was fully dressed. This doesn't change the fact that Wonder Woman and Batman per your argument survived universal destruction. Stop picking and choosing.
Yes carvster, that's why surrounding characters survive such attacks, they don't get feats for Superman, just like Hulk's pants don't.

Upon another reading of the full material here, I've changed my stance. Looking over these, it 100 percent looked like a willpower feat. Pariah did use Crisis energy to create universes for each of them, linked directly to each of their minds. While they were in these worlds, he was using the power of the Justice League to replace he multiverse with a recreated Infinite Earths multiverse that wasnt quite finalized yet. Their power not only gave him the energy to do it, but also were the stabilizing force of the new multiverse. I can only imagine that this was a bit of a modern throwback to AntiMonitor using the heros energy in COIE, but a bit more complex.

What Superman did, was absorb those universes worth of Crisis energy, and then free the league, and that made Pariah fall short on energy and he went pleading for more power.

So, what he really did was absorb a universe of cosmic power/creation energy.

A second Juntai has just hit the tower.

When you combine feats like this with stuff like fighting amped Apex Lex, Lex using Superman to absorb enough of the Totality to bring back Perpetua, then tanking a shot of that power and then immediately turning around and tanking Umbrax blast that was meant to destroy White Lantern Earth with 'an unquantifiable amount of energy', among all the other shit he's done recently, he really doesnt have any peer.

Originally posted by Juntai
Upon another reading of the full material here, I've changed my stance. Looking over these, it 100 percent looked like a willpower feat. Pariah did use Crisis energy to create universes for each of them, linked directly to each of their minds. While they were in these worlds, he was using the power of the Justice League to replace he multiverse with a recreated Infinite Earths multiverse that wasnt quite finalized yet. Their power not only gave him the energy to do it, but also were the stabilizing force of the new multiverse. I can only imagine that this was a bit of a modern throwback to AntiMonitor using the heros energy in COIE, but a bit more complex.

What Superman did, was absorb those universes worth of Crisis energy, and then free the league, and that made Pariah fall short on energy and he went pleading for more power.

So, what he really did was absorb a universe of cosmic power/creation energy. Eh... sure?

I mean, I don't want to get into the merits of arguing this as an "absorption" feat. All of that can be true or false and it doesn't change the conclusion that Superman was able to "destroy" (or, absorb) the universe, not because of the sheer might of him powering up, but because of the nature of the worlds themselves and the JLA's inherent connection to their makeup and stability.

Abhi can pivot from arguing "Superman can destroy a universe by powering up" to "Superman can absorb a universe worth of crisis energy", if he agrees with you, but it would be a pivot for sure.

well, yeah juntai. i assumed that's sorta what you meant by willpower? he did use the energy of the created world--he studied for seemingly a very long time, learned HOW to use it and finally did. i assume it takes a great deal of will to do that, but also, he's superman and figured out what no one else did. :/ it's a cool feat but it isn't at all what abhi is making it out to be. as usual.

did he absorb the energy? yeah i think so to achieve whatever this true form superman was intended to be. but yeah--abhi's interpretation is grossly misleading. not that he would ever admit it.

@Juntai

https://media1.tenor.com/m/qgMHn-HM96MAAAAC/jonah-hill-no.gif

Originally posted by Smurph
Eh... sure?

I mean, I don't want to get into the merits of arguing this as an "absorption" feat. All of that can be true or false and it doesn't change the conclusion that Superman was able to "destroy" (or, absorb) the universe, not because of the sheer might of him powering up, but because of the nature of the worlds themselves and the JLA's inherent connection to their makeup and stability.

Abhi can pivot from arguing "Superman can destroy a universe by powering up" to "Superman can absorb a universe worth of crisis energy", if he agrees with you, but it would be a pivot for sure. Originally posted by leonidas
well, yeah juntai. i assumed that's sorta what you meant by willpower? he did use the energy of the created world--he studied for seemingly a very long time, learned HOW to use it and finally did. i assume it takes a great deal of will to do that, but also, he's superman and figured out what no one else did. :/ it's a cool feat but it isn't at all what abhi is making it out to be. as usual.

did he absorb the energy? yeah i think so to achieve whatever this true form superman was intended to be. but yeah--abhi's interpretation is grossly misleading. not that he would ever admit it.
Its telling you both are reduced to "Abhi's interpretation is wrong, just don't ask me to prove it" lol.

I did prove it

Lol, no you didn't

No, I did.

Do you want to see the scans that back up what I've been saying.

Their direct connection to those worlds and that energy were mentioned like a dozen times.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah it's not the power of love.

It's just their own imagination holding the worlds together. As I said, Batman's world was fading - that wasn't Superman's doing. As the JL were 'freed', their worlds were dissolving.

Put succinctly, I'm not claiming Bats is a world destroyer - but his world was destroyed once he stopped believing in it.

All of you are just Batman haters, smh. Batman's world was fading too but I don't see you lot arguing whether he's a universe destroyer.

AND he didn't even need to flex.

It's Batman.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All of you are just Batman haters, smh. Batman's world was fading too but I don't see you lot arguing whether he's a universe destroyer.

AND he didn't even need to flex.

according to abhi that's all that should be required. lol if anything bats is MORE impressive because, as you said, no flex needed. as with most things, bats once again proves he's >superman lol

Originally posted by Smurph
No, I did.

Do you want to see the scans that back up what I've been saying.
Yes, please do.

Kk they're right here
Originally posted by abhilegend
Somehow I missed this one, Pariah created actual universes to hold Justice League. Superman destroyed these universes just powering up.

https://i.ibb.co/BNz1jMF/R2-XJm-HAc-Mxb-LA7h-GITKq-DXk7fl-Dp-NUnw-Iwy-Pehkxuz4km-KKZ-e0hm5-Prk-Itc-Xlwj-V4de-W8myf-IMn6-Euf-I.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gddhYBs/ADCre-Hd10-V-rpoz-v-BFe98-PJbzeh45-Gu-Folz5-NJxoudj97f3uhsii-R4j-MBYH7-Gn1-GZ0-T4-Ti-C8l-Owt-XIGKJy9.jpg https://i.ibb.co/gv98494/ADCre-Hd-Nkd-GUorb-Aw-WIx-TJ962-QUv520fq-Hm0-Ybzk49-H-C9o8-Hpv5-SNrxphc3-CS-k-OJQKYk-E20e8x-Aqv-OJG.jpg https://i.ibb.co/wcW0TTM/ADCre-He-TYp91-YG0k-F1xy-VJ8-VBi-Aqk806z4r-Zw-V-0wn-HG734j-XLCgqxp-VM9iiy-4-Gunx4-Mn-ZFs-R2nn54q-Q4.jpg https://i.ibb.co/prpp6p2/ZJr-Na3-Y-v-Zy0a-Ithfmq-G0q3mi-YDAqh-RH4-RXPZWvrgyi-Qm-CPMHp-THCYJas-LSBSq-Dncv-Co-TMe-Ri-J19-B7-FBM.jpg https://i.ibb.co/yn827Ym/ja7pn-HWd7j-44wln3-IFUj-Mi-C8d88-OM3kna-VPa-Nd71-EMRf-Jzpb-Dm-N-LKDv-Sd-ALrb6c7ye-Wrs-VU4-Ck-YQwk-Eq.jpg https://i.ibb.co/0yrGh8N/uyjq-RRHuvtu-Vqu-UWb-Q2-Kr-qed-F-i-ZHC2-VKJPIt-6fsjtb-RMvcd9-Kxg3am-Rep-Fxf1k-I9-KVB5bs-Rc-Kz-V2-Uj5.jpg Just make sure you read the words that go along with the pictures

ABHI is ignoring fts from every character in that comic and is focusing on Superman primarily. No matter what you post or prove, the focus here is Supes even though if we looked at it from his view every character in the event has universal levels of durability. ABHI is a narcissist.

Originally posted by Smurph
Kk they're right here
Just make sure you read the words that go along with the pictures
How quanchi of you. Originally posted by carver9
ABHI is ignoring fts from every character in that comic and is focusing on Superman primarily. No matter what you post or prove, the focus here is Supes even though if we looked at it from his view every character in the event has universal levels of durability. ABHI is a narcissist.
Speaking from experience, eh?