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Who wins?

Namor.

Homelander through HV

And, off we go.

Originally posted by h1a8
Homelander through HV
Namor casually dodges and deflects energy blasts from Wakandan aircraft and Ironheart multiple times. At one point he doesn't even look when Riri shoots at him and just nods his head out of the way. I don't see Homelander's heat vision being any different. In fact, it would be easier to avoid/deflect because unlike the energy blasts, it's a constant red beam that is easy to see and track.

https://imgur.com/a/bilp210
https://imgur.com/a/gPViq7d
https://imgur.com/a/6UEHgT9

Even if he did get hit, it wouldn't be an instant win. The Wakandans had to dry him out almost completely to weaken him enough to take him down. Getting zapped would piss him off, but it wouldn't beat him instantly, and he's far more maneuverable in the air than Homelander so I doubt he'd just continue to let himself be shot.

Namor wrecks him

Rather than take a beating Homelander just kills himself

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
Rather than take a beating Homelander just kills himself

Lol. This is so true.

Namor wins.

Originally posted by KingD19
Namor casually dodges and deflects energy blasts from Wakandan aircraft and Ironheart multiple times. At one point he doesn't even look when Riri shoots at him and just nods his head out of the way. I don't see Homelander's heat vision being any different. In fact, it would be easier to avoid/deflect because unlike the energy blasts, it's a constant red beam that is easy to see and track.

https://imgur.com/a/bilp210
https://imgur.com/a/gPViq7d
https://imgur.com/a/6UEHgT9

Even if he did get hit, it wouldn't be an instant win. The Wakandans had to dry him out almost completely to weaken him enough to take him down. Getting zapped would piss him off, but it wouldn't beat him instantly, and he's far more maneuverable in the air than Homelander so I doubt he'd just continue to let himself be shot.

Look how slow he is swinging the spear. The HV would have tagged him before he moved 1mm.
Plus the HV is a sweeping beam, not small bursts. You can't punch away a sweeping beam.

His HV was shown to slice through durable material like a hot knife through butter. Namor has no feats showing he can withstand that type of heat.

For you science nerds, you can apply Newton's law of cooling/heating.
The speed in which the HV heated the durable metal to melting point (almost instantly) suggests that the HV is more than 10,000 degrees Celsius.

And don't forget that homelander is probably as strong as Namor., if not stronger Even if he's weaker (debatable) it's not by much. Namor is not going to one shot him or something. The HV is the game changer. Without HV Namor wins the majority.

I guess you didn't watch Black Panther: Wakanda Forever as to why Namor will not be beaten by HV and know that such reason exists here if he is actually hit by a sweeping easy to avoid beam.

Originally posted by riv6672
I guess you didn't watch Black Panther: Wakanda Forever as to why Namor will not be beaten by HV and know that such reason exists here if he is actually hit by a sweeping easy to avoid beam. Mr seeing the movie is precisely way I say he loses. Duh.
Do you even understand my argument?
1) special attributes are not given without proof.
Namor has no showings that prove he can resist a HV beam that is beyond 10,000 degrees Celsius. He dies instantly.

2). Namor has no showings that shows him fast enough to both
A) block the initial beam
B) continue to block a sweeping beam

His hand movement is far too slow.

Even if your argument is that he can block HV from a distance then he can't when up close in h2h range, especially while both are in fisticuffs.

His HV didn't kill Butcher or Soldier Boy when they fought and Namor appears to be above them strength and speed wise.

^^^Namor is LEAGUES above them in every way.

Originally posted by tkitna
His HV didn't kill Butcher or Soldier Boy when they fought and Namor appears to be above them strength and speed wise.
The HV has feats of being more than 10,000 degrees Celsius.

Well either
1) Those characters get that feat and are highly heat resistant, unlike Namor.
Or
2) Homelander used less power on them(proof is needed)
Or
3) Fiction inconsistency (you have to show them being harmed to heat less than the HV).

If Joe Blow resists 10,000 degree heat but gets his ass whipped by a 1 tonner then Joe is still heat resistant that gets ass whipped by 1 tonners. Lack of strength or speed does not disprove a fictional character's resistance to heat.

Your argument is faulty.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Namor is LEAGUES above them in every way.
Not in heat resistance apparently.

Neither of them even lifts.

Originally posted by Robtard
Neither of them even lifts.
Lifts? Lifts what? I don't understand.

Originally posted by Robtard
Neither of them even lifts.

Originally posted by h1a8
Lifts? Lifts what? I don't understand.
^This guy didn't get it

Originally posted by riv6672

^This guy got it

Went over my head

Originally posted by h1a8
Went over my head

As most everything does.

I don't know or care about your excuses or assumptions about Homelanders HV. All I know is two lesser characters than Namor survived direct hits from it and did just fine.

Originally posted by tkitna
As most everything does.

I don't know or care about your excuses or assumptions about Homelanders HV. All I know is two lesser characters than Namor survived direct hits from it and did just fine.


If they have feats resisting 10000+ degrees then that doesn't mean anyone stronger or faster than them can resist 10000+ degrees.
Namor doesn't get their heat resistant feats just because he is stronger and faster than them.

I have to ask because it'll be funny, but where are you coming up with 10000+ when all sites state it to be half or less than half of that?

Gotta go with Namor.

Namor wins. Homelander sucks so bad even Baleman could beat him.

Originally posted by tkitna
I have to ask because it'll be funny, but where are you coming up with 10000+ when all sites state it to be half or less than half of that?

One of his feats with his HV.
Homelander swiped a plane in half with his HV.

Using Newton's Law of cooling it takes more than 20000 degrees Celsius to melt the materials of a plane in less than 1 second.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Gotta go with Namor.

Not he gets hit with 10000+ degree Celsius HV.
He would be almost Vaporized

It's always been Celsius

Originally posted by h1a8
10000+

Originally posted by h1a8
Not he gets hit with 10000+ degree Celsius HV.
He would be almost Vaporized


Doubt it when he's on Thor/Hulk's level of strength.

With his Vibranium sword on top he's basically He-Man (if He-Man was a total d***).

Originally posted by h1a8
Not he gets hit with 10000+ degree Celsius HV.
He would be almost Vaporized

Would Hulk or Thor be vaporized too? Soldier Boy and Butcher weren't.

I haven't seen the new film what's Namor feat stats?

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
I haven't seen the new film what's Namor feat stats?

OkxQ2ZYYmj4

There's more, but this will give you a rough idea.

Originally posted by tkitna
Would Hulk or Thor be vaporized too? Soldier Boy and Butcher weren't.
Thor wouldn't. Soldier Boy and Butcher are 10000+ degree heat resistant.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Doubt it when he's on Thor/Hulk's level of strength.

With his Vibranium sword on top he's basically He-Man (if He-Man was a total d***).

Special attributes (insane heat resistance) must be proven through feats. Without feats, a character does not get special attributes.

Also
1) He's not fast enough to defend against a swiping HV BEAM
2)What feats against 10000+degree Celsius does his vibration spear has?It obviously can't withstand infinite amount of heat.No limits fallacy?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor wouldn't. Soldier Boy and Butcher are 10000+ degree heat resistant.

So you think Thor is more durable than Hulk? You also think Soldier Boy and Butcher on the juice is more durable than Hulk? Lol. You have to realize how silly you sound.



Even though he has dodged and defended against swiping beams?

Homelander has shown no resistance to the hypnotic siren song that Talokanil used to make the soldiers on the ship jump to their deaths. Namor makes him kill himself with a lullaby.

Kukulkan rips him in half

Originally posted by h1a8
One of his feats with his HV.
Homelander swiped a plane in half with his HV.

Using Newton's Law of cooling it takes more than 20000 degrees Celsius to melt the materials of a plane in less than 1 second.

-Most passenger liners are constructed of aluminum, due to its high strength and relative low weight

-Aluminum melts at 660 Celsius


Now his HV would be higher than that at how quickly/effortlessly it cut, but your "20,000" figure is made up, you pulled it from your ass.

Originally posted by tkitna
So you think Thor is more durable than Hulk? You also think Soldier Boy and Butcher on the juice is more durable than Hulk? Lol. You have to realize how silly you sound.



Even though he has dodged and defended against swiping beams? Thor is more heat resistant than Hulk because of he has the feats.
SB and Butcher are more heat resistant than Hulk because they have the feats.

Being more durable against punches does not make you more resistant against heat.

In fiction you can have a character with human level strength and durability (against blunt force) able to resist great amount of high temperatures.

In reality, you have material that can resist great temperatures but are not bullet or stab proof.

So Hulk doesn't get someone's, whose weaker, feats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Thor is more heat resistant than Hulk because of he has the feats.
SB and Butcher are more heat resistant than Hulk because they have the feats.

Being more durable against punches does not make you more resistant against heat.

In fiction you can have a character with human level strength and durability (against blunt force) able to resist great amount of high temperatures.

In reality, you have material that can resist great temperatures but are not bullet or stab proof.

So Hulk doesn't get someone's, whose weaker, feats.

Here's something for you to think about. Hulk was casually standing on Surtur while punching him. Surtur is hot enough that his heat can disrupt the Earths environment from light years away. Is that heat feat good enough for you?

^^^Thats a good feat.

You have experience in physics? -neutral face-

Originally posted by riv6672
You have experience in physics? -neutral face-

Yes. Was an engineering major before I changed it to mathematics (have a masters).
I took Physics 1, 2, and 3, classical mechanics, thermo, etc.
I teach and tutor math.
I tutor Physics 1 and general chemistry.

Originally posted by tkitna
OkxQ2ZYYmj4

There's more, but this will give you a rough idea.

I wish this website had a notification setting thank you!

Originally posted by h1a8
Yes. Was an engineering major before I changed it to mathematics (have a masters).
I took Physics 1, 2, and 3, classical mechanics, thermo, etc.
I teach and tutor math.
I tutor Physics 1 and general chemistry.
^^^Right. -neutral face-

Originally posted by BeyonderGod
I wish this website had a notification setting thank you!
^^^That and a ‘like’ option, yeah.

It affected Thor at the beginning of the movie.

Fair

This still stands:

Originally posted by Robtard
-Most passenger liners are constructed of aluminum, due to its high strength and relative low weight

-Aluminum melts at 660 Celsius


Now his HV would be higher than that at how quickly/effortlessly it cut, but your "20,000" figure is made up, you pulled it from your ass.

Originally posted by Robtard
This still stands:
I never stated 20 000 as the exact temperature. I stated that it is more than 20 000.

It's a problem in heat transfer and Newton's law of cooling.
20000 degree Celsius is required to make that amount of aluminum reach 660 degrees in 1.3 seconds.

It takes a hotter temperature than 20 000 degrees to make that amount of aluminum reach 660 degrees in 0.7 seconds (shown onscreen).

And it takes a hotter temperature to make the phase change from solid to liquid (enthalpy of fusion).

Do you need to see the steps of the Calculation?

^^^Make sure you copy/paste all the steps from ChatGPT.

Can ChatGPT draw pictures? Because it would draw a picture of a desperate guy shoving his fist into and pulling shits out from his own ass.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Make sure you copy/paste all the steps from ChatGPT. Ok daddy.
Well that settles this thread.

Originally posted by Robtard
Can ChatGPT draw pictures? Because it would draw a picture of a desperate guy shoving his fist into and pulling shits out from his own ass.
Really? Good to know.
I'll try to make it draw that (seriously).

Anyway, do you accept that the temperature has to be above 20 000 degrees Celsius? Or do you need to see it worked out?

^^^Cant speak for Robtard, but I for one am waiting for the ChatGPT results.

Originally posted by Robtard
but your "20,000" figure is made up, you pulled it from your ass.


I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.

Maybe not a completely one-sided matchup, but I'm giving the win to Namor.

Homelander can slice through a jet with his heat vision, but Namor can cut through solid vibranium with his spear.

Homelander can't 'push-off' thin air, as he states when he kills everyone on board the jet with Queen Maeve, but Namor literally looks like a figure skater in the sky when he is dogfighting with the Wakandan air force.

Queen Maeve stabbed Homelander with a metal straw in his ear, but Namor no-sold everything thrown at him in BP2 until he got the air fryer treatment from Shuri, and he still impaled her with his spear through her Black Panther outfit.

On the other hand, Homelander has a vastly superior ranged option with heat vision, plus his movement speed and flight speed (getting Butcher and the baby boy out of the exploding house and his zooming around the city sky looking for Transluscent) are superior, but his fights with Soldier Boy and Butcher don't demonstrate it in combat.

I'll give it to Namor for now, but could be talked over.

Originally posted by John Murdoch


Homelander can't 'push-off' thin air, as he states when he kills everyone on board the jet with Queen Maeve, but Namor literally looks like a figure skater in the sky when he is dogfighting with the Wakandan air force.



A lot of great points especially this ^

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Maybe not a completely one-sided matchup, but I'm giving the win to Namor.

Homelander can slice through a jet with his heat vision, but Namor can cut through solid vibranium with his spear.

Homelander can't 'push-off' thin air, as he states when he kills everyone on board the jet with Queen Maeve, but Namor literally looks like a figure skater in the sky when he is dogfighting with the Wakandan air force.

Queen Maeve stabbed Homelander with a metal straw in his ear, but Namor no-sold everything thrown at him in BP2 until he got the air fryer treatment from Shuri, and he still impaled her with his spear through her Black Panther outfit.

On the other hand, Homelander has a vastly superior ranged option with heat vision, plus his movement speed and flight speed (getting Butcher and the baby boy out of the exploding house and his zooming around the city sky looking for Transluscent) are superior, but his fights with Soldier Boy and Butcher don't demonstrate it in combat.

I'll give it to Namor for now, but could be talked over. The HV will one-shot Namor

Originally posted by h1a8
The HV will one-shot Namor

Prove it

What I said still stands

Supes are weak to sound, and the Talokanil have a siren song that can hypnotize people to commit suicide. Namor sings to Homelander and he offs himself.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
A lot of great points especially this ^

Much appreciated Thor.

Originally posted by h1a8
The HV will one-shot Namor

I could be talked over to the other side, but I just don't buy the 'heat vision trumps all of Namor's efforts' argument. Yes, it is the best weapon, along with his speed, that Homelander has, but combat showings have Namor as way, way superior. All it takes is Namor dancing around HL in mid-air and getting some hits and slices in, and Homelander will go down due to mental and eventually physical fatigue.

Originally posted by John Murdoch
Much appreciated Thor.



I could be talked over to the other side, but I just don't buy the 'heat vision trumps all of Namor's efforts' argument. Yes, it is the best weapon, along with his speed, that Homelander has, but combat showings have Namor as way, way superior. All it takes is Namor dancing around HL in mid-air and getting some hits and slices in, and Homelander will go down due to mental and eventually physical fatigue.

Namor has no feats that warrant him not being one shot by the HV.

The HV melted sliced a plane in half instantly.
It was thousands of degrees Celsius.

We use feats to prove special attributes, not baseless speculation or assumptions.

Namor does not dance around single combatants. He fights them head up.

Originally posted by h1a8
Namor has no feats that warrant him not being one shot by the HV.

The HV melted sliced a plane in half instantly.
It was thousands of degrees Celsius.

We use feats to prove special attributes, not baseless speculation or assumptions.



So by the same logic would you say Homelander cuts through MCU Hulk with his HV ?

Originally posted by h1a8

Namor does not dance around single combatants. He fights them head up.

Thats a strange assumption. Cant be that anal with your analysis.

He danced around the firepower of Wakandan ships, no reason to assume he wouldnt do the same against extremely dangerous HV blasts coming from an incredibly fast opponent with flight.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
This number is grossly inflated, imo. It assumes a clean cut, and assumes it cut all the way through, and it assumes he didn't just set things ablaze rather than sliced the plane.

The actual feat in question:
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11117/111179644/8553078-6945789451-giphy.gif

It's like having people shoot a car with a tiny bullet, and the entire car explodes. Then proclaiming that the bullet imparts gigawatts of energy or w/ever.

He sliced the fuselage with heat (not a projectile) as shown. You see the path of the HV along with the slice of the plane. He set the plane ablaze in the process (inner portion has fabric for seats, etc)

The aluminum melted in a small fraction of a second (the whole feat took roughly 0.7 seconds). So that amount of aluminum in that amount of time. A differential equation problem to determine the temperature.

The exact temperature is actually irrelevant as anything beyond 1000 degrees will do some serious damage to Namor, not too mention weaken him immensely.

Um, Namor survived the exploding Wankandan ship whose explosions put out an excess of 30,000 C. Then the blast from the blasting engine easily exceeded 40,000 C. Because Wakandan tech and reasons.

^^^The math checks out.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^The math checks out.

I double checked it and its solid.

Originally posted by Robtard
Um, Namor survived the exploding Wankandan ship whose explosions put out an excess of 30,000 C. Then the blast from the blasting engine easily exceeded 40,000 C. Because Wakandan tech and reasons. Nice joke.
But anything above double the temperature Namor withstood will kill him.

Originally posted by h1a8
He sliced the fuselage with heat (not a projectile) as shown. You see the path of the HV along with the slice of the plane. He set the plane ablaze in the process (inner portion has fabric for seats, etc)

The aluminum melted in a small fraction of a second (the whole feat took roughly 0.7 seconds). So that amount of aluminum in that amount of time. A differential equation problem to determine the temperature.

The exact temperature is actually irrelevant as anything beyond 1000 degrees will do some serious damage to Namor, not too mention weaken him immensely.

It didn't cut all the way through, as you don't see the HV exiting on the other side of the plane. So NOT that amount of aluminium, which is my point. Hence, grossly inflated.

It also assumes the (stressed) plane didn't tear itself apart in midair once the initial cut occurred, helping the cut propagate through the fuselage. So Homelander isn't actually melting the skin further along the plane, it just looks that way because the internals are all ablaze (but we have no idea of the HV is actually melting the aluminium).

It's grossly inflated to assume 20,000 degree Celsius off that scene. Which is my point.

Victoria nosold a shot in the latest episode too. Homelanders heat vision is becoming more of a joke the further the series goes.

^^^Kind of like supporting him in this thread.

Originally posted by h1a8
Nice joke.
But anything above double the temperature Namor withstood will kill him.

Nope. Proof me wrong.

Nope. A baseless assertion.

Originally posted by Robtard
Nope. Proof me wrong.

Nope. A baseless assertion.

Not baseless.
The rules are:
A character has a special attribute in a forum fight
ONLY if there are feats/showings that give evidence towards it.

Since Namor wasn't shown to resist anything extremely hot then he doesn't get HV resistance in a forum fight.
Therefore he gets one shot here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It didn't cut all the way through, as you don't see the HV exiting on the other side of the plane. So NOT that amount of aluminium, which is my point. Hence, grossly inflated. The HV was shown to cut through the entire plane. A clean sweep. Im not sure what you are talking about.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It also assumes the (stressed) plane didn't tear itself apart in midair once the initial cut occurred, helping the cut propagate through the fuselage. So Homelander isn't actually melting the skin further along the plane, it just looks that way because the internals are all ablaze (but we have no idea of the HV is actually melting the aluminium).

It's grossly inflated to assume 20,000 degree Celsius off that scene. Which is my point.

The plane was being cut by the HV as the HV propagated upwards. There was no plane tearing itself apart behind the swipe.

You are clearly making stuff up.
In no way it appears that way to anyone who saw the scene.
It clearly appears (as intended) to slice the plane as it travels upward.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not baseless.
The rules are:
A character has a special attribute in a forum fight
ONLY if there are feats/showings that give evidence towards it.

Since Namor wasn't shown to resist anything extremely hot then he doesn't get HV resistance in a forum fight.
Therefore he gets one shot here.


Umm, I showed how Namor survived heat of 30k and 40k C using your same principals.

Originally posted by h1a8
The HV was shown to cut through the entire plane. A clean sweep. Im not sure what you are talking about.

We do not see the HV exiting the plane on the other side. So it did not cut all the way through. If it did, then you must prove it.

Originally posted by h1a8
The plane was being cut by the HV as the HV propagated upwards. There was no plane tearing itself apart behind the swipe.

You are clearly making stuff up.
In no way it appears that way to anyone who saw the scene.
It clearly appears (as intended) to slice the plane as it travels upward.
How can you prove this?

We have real life examples of planes in flight tearing pieces off from minuscule stress cracks.

H1a8 isn't a real sciencer.

Originally posted by Robtard
Ah, I had forgotten about that series.

Well then, there it is, 500F. Impressive, but not so impressive in the superhero world.

Indeed. It's impressive, and hot enough that it immediately caused a sub-machinegun to turn red hot and explode because of the ammo in it, but nowhere near what h1 is creating with his Terrance Howard math.

"Terrance Howard math"

laughcry

Originally posted by Robtard
Umm, I showed how Namor survived heat of 30k and 40k C using your same principals. No you didn't. You just told a joke instead

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We do not see the HV exiting the plane on the other side. So it did not cut all the way through. If it did, then you must prove it.


How can you prove this?

We do not need to see the HV exit the plane in order to know it sliced the plane in half.

You see the other side of the plane completely melt and on fire BEFORE the plane separated.

Originally posted by h1a8
We do not need to see the HV exit the plane in order to know it sliced the plane in half.

You see the other side of the plane completely melt and on fire BEFORE the plane separated.

We don't. We see flames, which is just the internals of the plane catching fire. Which would still happen even if the HV didn't go all the way through.

The HV didn't slice all the way through. Thus your calculations are way off, as it didn't go through that volume of aluminium. If you can prove that it sliced all the way through, then show so.

And how do you prove there was no stresses on the fuselage that contributed to the plane breaking apart? Please do so.

Originally posted by KingD19
Indeed. It's impressive, and hot enough that it immediately caused a sub-machinegun to turn red hot and explode because of the ammo in it, but nowhere near what h1 is creating with his Terrance Howard math.

"Terrance Howard math"

Yeah if that's the actual quote that doesn't necessarily mean 500 degrees is his limit.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We don't. We see flames, which is just the internals of the plane catching fire. Which would still happen even if the HV didn't go all the way through.

The HV didn't slice all the way through. Thus your calculations are way off, as it didn't go through that volume of aluminium. If you can prove that it sliced all the way through, then show so.

And how do you prove there was no stresses on the fuselage that contributed to the plane breaking apart? Please do so.

You didn't address this.

Originally posted by h1a8

You see the other side of the plane completely melt and on fire BEFORE the plane separated.

Fire was OUTSIDE the plane as the beam was sweeping upwards.
That means the plane was completely melted on the other side (as to explain the fire escaping to the outside) AS the beam was sweeping. Simultaneously is the key.

Originally posted by h1a8
You didn't address this.



Fire was OUTSIDE the plane as the beam was sweeping upwards.
That means the plane was completely melted on the other side (as to explain the fire escaping to the outside) AS the beam was sweeping. Simultaneously is the key.

It was the internals being on fire, I already addressed this. Same way an itty bitty bullet makes an entire car explode, flames being on the other side of the plane just points to the internals being on fire and burning the plane.

Originally posted by h1a8
Since Namor wasn't shown to resist anything extremely hot then he doesn't get HV resistance in a forum fight.
Therefore he gets one shot here.


Except he has. He survives the explosion of the Royal Talon at the end despite already being severely dehydrated and weakened.

At most direct shots from Homelanders HV will slightly weaken him. But he can just dip back in the water to recharge and he is hard to hit in the first place between his speed/maneuverability in the air and his spear to absorb the shots.