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Can Phoenix buck the system ftw?

Scathan.

Phoenix

Scathan

lol Taia with phoenix force is above the beyonder, white hot room is an existence above the beyond realm, sitting on the top spots in the marvel omniverse (below the house of ideas)

this is a stomp

here's the order of level of existence in marvel

House of Ideas: This is the absolute apex. It's the ultimate source of all creation, concepts, and stories in the Marvel Omniverse. It's essentially the mind of the One Above All, the supreme being. All other realms and realities are born from or contained within its conceptual framework.

White Hot Room (The Mystery/The Above Place): While intricately linked to the Phoenix Force, recent revelations (again, largely from Al Ewing) place the White Hot Room as a significant part of "The Mystery" or "The Above Place." It's understood as the remnants of the very First Cosmos and a place of primal creation, representing the "idea" of creation, life, and rebirth. It sits conceptually just below the House of Ideas.

The Beyond Realm (The Beyonders' Realm / The Far Shore): This is the domain of the Beyonders, the immensely powerful extra-dimensional beings who were responsible for the destruction of previous Multiverses (specifically the Second Cosmos). It exists outside of the standard Multiverse and is a realm of immense power, but it is ultimately subordinate to the White Hot Room and the House of Ideas. It's often conceptualized as the "engine room" of creation for previous cosmos.

The Neutral Zone / Exo-Space: This is a conceptual "buffer zone" or "space between spaces" that exists within the larger Multiverse but separates individual realities. It's often depicted as a void or a realm where positive and negative matter can coexist without annihilating each other. It acts as a barrier, preventing uncontrolled interaction between universes and sometimes leading to dangerous incursions if breached.

The Superflow: The Superflow is the space between the individual universes within the Marvel Multiverse. It's a sort of psychic or informational conduit where concepts and abstract entities can manifest. It's the "stuff" that fills the gaps between the bubbles of individual universes. While vast and containing abstract concepts, it is still contained within the larger Multiversal structure.

Marvel Multiverse: This is the collection of all alternate universes that readers are familiar with, including Earth-616 (the primary Marvel Universe) and countless other realities (Earth-1610, Earth-TRNXXX, etc.). Each universe is its own self-contained reality with its own set of physics, histories, and inhabitants. The Multiverse itself is a vast, ever-expanding collection of these individual universes.

Is this classic Jean as an avatar of the Phoenix Force, or the Phoenix Force itself?

Because Jean's connection could be severed, much like Scathan could muzzle Protege's connection to the powers he was copying.

If this is White Phoenix of the Crown or the abstract entity the Phoenix Force itself (i.e. the conceptual embodiment of the cycle of life and rebirth), I'd put an Abstract above a (albeit uber powerful) Celestial.

It said just Phoenix and Scathan is pretty much above every Phoenix, except White Phoenix.

Has Marvel ever detailed what realm the LT is from?

The LT is technically above any Phoenix, yet Scathan muzzled a being with LT's level of power.

Scathan would disapprove of Phoenix engaging in this sort of shenanigans..

So Scathan.