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what will happen to the droids? i think they will have their memories wiped somehow, be seperated and meet up again before ep. 4.

GL commented around the year 2001-2002 somewhere that they will get a memory-wipe

so they must meet up again.

why? think they get it at the same time

Perhaps they get their memory wipe on Alderaan....you know they arrive with Leia and get sold to a poor old chap who id donw on his luck but gets the droids at a bargain b/c the palace has it's one top o the line droids

I believe darth vader(better known to them as anakin) will erase there memory for some reason. wish i knew.

I don't know how but I agree with everyone here, they will definitley have a swipe of memory thingy...maybe Organa??

As in Bail Organa? Possibly...

memory wiped but stayed with organa family with leia. i doubt they get seperated.

Yeah thats what I think.
But in ANH, C-3PO mentions something to Luke about their previous master, their master before Leia.

i have to aggree with the memory wipe but i don't don't aggree with the seperation i think they stay togather. and as for the question when c3p0 saying about another master the could just program it into him that way he thinks that who nows.

I can't remember who it was Threepio spoke of, damn it!

watch the movies yn, I think it was in the oil bath or atleast somewhere around that scene and I think he says it was a capt. or a commander of some ship or something like that

it is when 3po have an oilbath

as I already said,
hey finti, how's it going matey?

*sigh* you guys have no rights to call yourself star wars nerds (lucky you )
"Our last master was captain Antilles..."

THATS IT!! Captain Antilles, thanx Yerssot, Fire, finti

I am a SW fan, nerd no no? but if the shoe fits.................

it's a big shoe and I have the flat feet for it

and the act of a nerd?

been there; still am

I'm a SW fan, believe me...I just don't know every single little detail...that's why I visit these wondrous forums

that's why I said I'm the nerd here

now, a memory whipe is almost certain for them. but the real question...is how doesn't obi remember them in anh?

almost certain? GL confirmed that last year already dexx...

Maybe they get sent with the Aldeeran with the leia and luke and never heard from again.

well, i didn't know that

I wondered about Obi-Wan not recognising R2-D2 in ANH and because, at that time, I had not yet discovered these forums, I asked my Mum. She said it's not a "hole" because of the actual dialogue used by Obi-Wan:
"I don't remember ever OWNING a droid" So maybe he recognised him but remembered not owning him or something...??

but obi doesnt own him, does he?

no , so far he doesnt

maybe he assumes possession of r2 in ep.3.....

I dunno

we just have to wait and see but I doubt it

Yeah, maybe the droids will just have their memories swiped and then thats it.

OB1 never litterally owned a droid; so he is correct (R4-P17 is from the Jedi Order and not his)
perhaps he didn't want to go at first? and remember there are a lot of R2 units running lose in the galaxy

Yeah...
Hey Yerssot, is R4-P17 the droid he uses in Ep2??

Bail Organa probably had the droid's memory erased to make sure they didnt mention anything to leia about luke or anakin or vader or her mother or...just about anything that happened. remember, the reason luke and leia were seperated was to keep them secret from vader

I never saw this Q

yes, it is

captain antilles is the guy strangled by vader at the start of ep IV.....(but then there are supposed to be a lot of antilles in the star wars universe)....there is also a captain bail antilles of alderaan mentioned in ep I (was supposed to be bail organa i think, but i'm bored of the topic, so no more of this).....my guess is this is the same guy all three times, and he's close to bail organa and leia......

c3po definitely has his memory erased, he has no idea what's going on in ep IV, doesn't remember tattooine or obi wan or anything.....but i'm holding out for r2 not to have one, he seems to know what's going on totally, remembers obi wan, knows where to head to get to obi wan's hut etc....i like how these scenes play out, with him knowing and being frustrated at c3po's ignorance.....but i think lucas said they both get wiped, so we'll see....

obi wan remembers artoo ("come here my little friend" etc).....at least that's how i see it....he lies to luke, for the same reason he always does....he doesn't want to open up a can of worms and have to explain things that are best left unexplained for the present....

i wouldn't trust 3po to keep his mouth shut either....

not to mention wedge antilles

Off topic people. Shape up, or this one dies.

they say that the movies are really the story of anakin and the droids they are their from beginning to end and I think they will go to senator bail organa but when they meet luke they said their captain was antillies that may have something to do with it so their I'm on the topic for now may the pist off force be with you.

Antilles wasprobably just the captain of the ship that gets attacked in ANH.

Yeah, that's what I have thought for quite a while.

erm, except they say that captain antilles was their previous owner....i'm thinking maybe they told them that after the memory wipe, to fill in the blanks (or 3po's wipe anyway, i'm still holding out for r2).....

In the original book, 3p0 says that their last master was captain colton and he had never heard r2 mention a prior master

interesting....what was the exact phrasing (of the r2 bit)?.....

haha

beep , zeee, pop , maybe ?

doh! not his lines!....reread jayno's post....

just jokering winston

anyway cannot droids have a back-up memory to refer to ; cause i dont dig R2 getting the old slate wiped out

yeah, lighthearted post, damn the cold hard print.....i've always liked 3po being wiped and not r2....if it was to stop them talking, then they wouldn't need to do r2......both because no one can understand him, and because he's clever enough not to blab....i dunno if i'd trust 3po....i went into what i think about it in a bit more detail a few posts back if you're curious.....

but does artoo remember Obi1 ?

TPM: 3po gets bumped by the "rude" protocol droid.
From the room he heres what might be an R2 unit, he goes to investigate , he stumbles upon the Imperials hiding, to cover themselves they blast him, clear cut.

By the way 3po says, "How rude" to the protocol droid, Jar Jar says "how Rude" to the Gungan gaurd who zaps him, did we catch that in the connection thread.

I am implying that there is subtext between Ob1 and R2 in ANH. He gives R2 a little nudge nudge wink wink action in that scene.

so does R2' memory get wiped out ?

Did you really need to say this, or are you on a "power trip"?


****.

This makes absolutely no sense at all.

quote:
TPM: 3po gets bumped by the "rude" protocol droid.
From the room he heres what might be an R2 unit, he goes to investigate , he stumbles upon the Imperials hiding, to cover themselves they blast him, clear cut.
cavola

i'm a little lost....are you to mean esb?....
i've wanted r2 to retain his memory since i first heard about the wipe (before ep I came out i think)....it makes perfect sense to me, would work perfectly, but maybe if they wiped him it wouldn't create a plothole, which means i'm at the mercy of lucas on this one....really hope it happens....maybe we should get supershadow to pass it on....

quote:
Did you really need to say this, or are you on a "power trip"?
darthcomplex

he's a mod fool, that's his job....your lack of understanding about things like this is one of the reasons people are getting tired....he does that to spare us all from having to read too much bollocks.....

ok, its identical to the film exept for the name change:

Threepio paused before replying. "He claims to be the property of one obi-wan kenobi, a resident of this world. Of this very region, in fact. The sentence fragment we are hearing is part of a private message for this person"
Theepio shook his head slowly. Quite fankly, sir, I don't know what he's talking about. Our last master was captain carlton. I never heard artoo mention a prior master. Ive certainly never heard of an obi-wan kenobi. But with all we've been through, im affraid his logic cercuits have got a bit scrambled. Hes become deidedly eccentric at times" And while luke considerd this turn of events, Threepio took the opportunity to throw artoo a furious look of warning.

Why did he give him a furious look? They are on a mission to find obi wan but do not want luke to find out the truth. A massive coincedence brought them in the possetion of luke. Obi one must remember them too, but also tries to hide the events from luke.

yeah, this makes it sound like they're both in on the deal....but only due to 3po's "furious look".....and 3po's "furious looks" don't really translate to the big screen very well, do they?....i'm still in for r2 being wiped and not 3po.....i mentioned the humour in r2 being frustrated by 3po being ignorant of what's really going on but insisting that artoo is the one who's lost the plot....this scene is a great example.....i definitely think obi wan recognises them.....thanks for going to the trouble to type all this up jayno.....much appreciated....

Oh yessss....

Thats the thing, how does 3P0 give a furious look, he has no expression on his face. Was the look to shut R2 up just incase luke sent the back to the jawas? I doubt it. I don't think that they had the memories erased, R2 didn't anyway, he knew what he was doing.

I was under the impression that this was already confirmed that 3P0 gets a memory wipe and R2 doesnt.

i hope not.

"no more adventures"

i hope that refers to PT adventures as well.

i think it would be a shame to wipe the droids' memory.

But tehy should. Otherwise ANH will not work at all.

and what dont you understand so i can explain to you in detailed manner ?

Firstly) the R2 unit is recalling the incident that happened 40 years ago or so . thats what i mean.

Secondly) How much sense do you expect from a fantasy story ; just so that i can adjust my recollections and percieve them to match your requirements Oh Most Supreme, Commending, Royalty ?

but why not? droids can lie...

"THEY'RE MADMEN!!! they're heading
for the prison level. if you hurry you might catch them"

oops///double post

Most likely, C-3PO gets a memory wipe. R2-D2 is clever and won't talk at the wrong time. They could just have certain things taken out of their memory, names and such. Remember they would have had other adventures in the two decades following the rise of the Empire.......

I wouldnt trust C3P0 with my laundry let alone any of the secrets he'd have to keep

ok, so he's annoying and says inappropriate things,
but he never proved to be untrustworthy in any way.

and R2 is kinda annoying at times to

"R2 says that luke's chance for survival is blah blah blah"

yeah, thanks alot r2, make leah feel even worse, little bastard

oh Like you can even UNDERSTAND Mr beep beep........CP0 speaks basic and has never been one for discretion and you know it PVbabe

i would trust him as your fashion designer; he's already got that queer attitude

hey, r2 said it first.
and you cant blame 3p0 for translating it.
he's a protocal droid, force of habit.

besides, I really don't see how that is going to help. Surrender is a perfectly acceptable alternative in extreme circumstances. The Empire may be gracious enough...*blink*

I think that the most ridiculous conversation any two Star Wars characters could have would have to be Chewbacca and R2D2. Because hey, what the hell are they saying??

but they never conversed....they all need 3p0 to translate, or a ships computer.


"ROOOOOOOOOOOAR!!!!"

"I will NOT shut up chewbacca, why wont enyone listen to me!?!?!"

This seems like the best explanation to me, and also I think it's possible for the above scenario to happen as well as a memory wipe, they wouldn't have to contradict each other. Bail Organa or someone else in that group could've done a partial wipe to protect the children and bury all the information of Anakin. Also, (much of this was stated before) if Vader wanted to cover something up, just destroy the droids...less trouble

I was just thinking too, we've seen how well R2 can accomplish such missions in ROTJ- Luke having programmed him in advance to conceal his lightsaber, and when given the command, he fires it over to Luke as he is on the skiff..

Frankly, I don't buy any of that construed explaining. Droids can lie but 3PO for sure cannot keep a secret. He's a blabbermouth. And it all just doesn't make sense. Personally it didn't make sense to me why GL wanted the droids in the PT, they were a storyteling vehicle for the OT, which was inspired by Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress. They were NOT main characters, they were basically the 'eyes' through which we'd be witnessing the SW events in the OT. GL has changed their perspective by the way he placed them in the PT. And now he has to find some contrued way of tying it back together. THe only NORMAL way to do is is by a memory wipe.

i hope not

poor 3po

the memory wipe is official PVS, straight from lucas, and a long time ago as well.....he's repeated it since so he hasn't forgotten it either....i won't repeat what i think about it again, it's all back there in the thread....

in reference to the translation discussion above, it's amazing how long it took me to think that through, i never really thought about it as a kid, but a few years ago i realised that han, obi wan, 3p0, r2 (i think) can all understand chewie....it's only the skywalker twins who are ignorant....and i think they might start to talk to him towards rotj (can't remember now).....basically leia's a spoilt rascist rich kid, and luke's an ignorant hillbilly.....i think there are similar observations to be made about r2, but can't remember now, i'll come back to it later....

okay.

Poor Anakin... you could say that as well. dramatic things happen. But with a memory wipe he wouldn't evne realise taht he is poor.

i sense a certain insulting tone to that okay....i was just saying that as i kid i kind of thought of chewie only being able to converse with han, and then i realised it's just about everyone....it ties in with posts further back in the thread....

leave me alone, i've been getting up at 4 in the morning all week, i can barely think straight.....

"we seem to be made to suffer, its our lot in life"

sounds like life sucks for 3p0

no, he belongs to a rich princess....he's got it good....he just complains like a bastard.....

dude....are you talking to me?

no chief, not at all....darktim, but i think i imagined it....lack of context in cold hard print misunderstanding....he's a man of few words....

guess i'm a better be sleepin'.....seagrave out.....

sounds like you need some cheering up dude


here:
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/2038/nipple.gif

AAAAGGGHHHH!!!!!......now i'll never get to sleep!.....

ever again.....

Good thing then that half his life gets wiped from his memory banks.

well, i DO think 3p0 will be better off with an erased memory...
come to think of it.

after all....he wont remember jar jar

we should all be so blessed

I hope all SW fans get a memory wipe at the end of ROTS.

So who did they actually belong too at the begining of ANH, when aboard the blockade runner, was it captain antillies, captain corlton, bail organa, leia or were they simply work droids? leia could of simply took a random droid (artoo) to one side and recorded the message.

In my opinion, it was a mistake writing the 2 droids in to the PT as others have mentioned. When GL wrote ANH, he had some kind of a back story, I dont think R2 and 3P0 were part of it. Originally, I think his idea was that the first time the droids came in to contact with any of the skywalker family was when leia smashed artoo on the head and re programmed him with her message and the death star plans.

We all keep trying to work things out like "why doesnt obi-wan remember owning a droid?" and "did the droids have a memory wipe?" The only answer is Lucas had never planned on them being in the back story. Its like asking "why didnt obi-wan mention qui-gon?" The same reason!

well, the force works in mysterious ways.
why is it that the red R2 unit just HAPPENED to have a bad motivator
and blow up, right when it rolled off with luke?
if that *ahem* coincidence didnt happen, R2 would have been taken back into the sandcrawler, to later be found by the imperials.

I never thought of that, It just makes it an even bigger coincidence. What if the red r2 had been ok? would R2 of tracked obi-wan down without the help of luke? would obi-wan of seeked luke out for his assistance? R2 had been programmed to find obi-wan, luke just happened to buy em first. Would the empire of still of been destroyed without luke?

Could old ben of done it alone?

possible that old ben was watching, waved his hand, and *boom*
but i always liked the idea that the force was at work.

quigon was convinced that his meeting with young anakin was the work of
the force, so i think that we are led to believe that the force plays a strong role
in the way events are played out.

And why not? That's part of the fun.

and queeq, like i said, 3po is a blabbermouth,
but not when its a matter of life and death.
in fact, han, leah, and chewie would have done very well to
listen to him about the bad hyperdrive in ESB.
but NOOooOoo its "shut up 3p0" "im not interested in your opinion 3p0"

give old goldenrod some credit will ya?

3po may be a blabbermouth but he does suffer from memory. he fails to recognise Anakin & Padme when they return tattoine in the desert .

He did recognize the Maker though even though he had changed a lot. His memory chips had different memories of them: Anakin was a cute little boy and PAdme was dressed as a farm girl.

"What will happen to R2D2 and C3PO at the end of ep. 3?"

well, whats important is not what happens in ep3, but what happens AFTER:
-------------------------------------------------------------
after the great purge, 3po and R2 will be consumed by depression and guilt. their relationship will deteriorate forcing them to separate.

3p0 would go on to be a failed screen writer. after 3 failed attempts depression would fully take hold of him, and cause him to attempt suicide by jumping into sarlaac on tatooine....however, he was spit out since sarlaac had no taste for droids.

R2 took an even more self destructive path, sinking into a lifestyle of debauchery. sex and drugs would consume his soul and nearly end his life. R2's lowpoint was starring in an underground hardcore droid porno:
http://img85.exs.cx/img85/4777/DroidPorno.jpg

after 3p0's near-death experience, he saw that he needed to rethink his life.
he decided to seek out his old friend and help him on the road to recovery.
R2 later spent 3 months in the Coroscant Droid Rehab, and has been clean and sober ever since. upon leaving the treatment center, R2 met up with his counterpart, and they decided to tour the galaxy in the tantive IV and, as they put it, "find themselves".

and the rest is history......

so you see, the trauma forced them to repress their memory of previous events.

well, thats my theory anyway

wow...i mean, geez...excellent theory

That's the first credible addition to the OT I've heard since George started writing Episode I.

and to my understanding, its canon

Very much so.

i always thought the droids belonged to leia, and that antilles was their LAST master (or possibly that was what they were told to say if captured, or 3po believes it because he was told it after the memory wipe).....alternatively, they could belong to antilles in order to stay close to leia (i don't know why they would have to do this undercover)....it just seems they are seen as family heirlooms, anakin left 3po to look after his mother, when his mother died he took him.....padme took artoo under her wing and kept him close by after that, unless she lent him out to anakin or whoever for a mission, kind of like a good luck charm.....so it always seemed to me that they were both passed on to leia in that same spirit.....

and the reason r5d4's motivator blows out at that precise moment is because........IT'S A MOVIE.......and not a movie like "the pianist" is a movie.....like the wizard of oz is a movie.....

Well said.

"C-3PO has his memory wiped in Episode 3; R2 doesn't. It's as simple as that." That has been the pre-conceived notion since years before the PT was even made. The idea has always existed, that R2 knew a lot more than he let on, and that in fact, he had known Anakin very well prior to encountering him as Vader. When Episode 1 came out, this idea became more plausible. When Episode 2 came out, it remained very plausible. GL still has the ultimate chance for at least some sort of depth to his characters. People ask, why wouldn't he tell Luke that his father is Vader? It's because he's not an as*hole, duh! He hopes that Luke will come across the information on his own. He allows events to play out according to their natural flow; he doesn't interfere with anything unless he is required to directly save his comrades. Such is the nature of this silent, profound droid.

Also well said.

The droids belong to Leia? Now see, this is where things go funny with the PT. THe original idea of the droids was taht the story was told from the POV of the lower ranks of people in the SW universe. Watch 'Hidden Fortress' and you know. THe whole concept is that they are unanimous, and respresent not the elite. With all this backstory and making them Leia's (if taht is true at all) we lose the very flavour of the droids. That can only be restored by a memory wipe... of both of them. That'd put them back in the lower ranks.

Do they have to be lower ranks? That whole droids POV thing, might just be a figure of speech since they don't narrate it and the camera isn't shooting over 3PO's shoulder.....

huh???

I don't get it. Yes, it's one of the vehicles (along with Joseph Campbell) that gave Lucas a form to tell his story. We tarvel along with (in this case) the droids. I don't mean a literal cinematographic POV, it's a POV story wise. It's a fairly crucial element to tell such a draatic story from the 'workers' POV. IN 'Hidden Fortres' it was two poor farmers: common folk, people viewers could identify with. That's the idea and therefore quite crucial.

Well, now that I think about it, there is some of that. They didn't belong to Leia
but Cpt. Antilles, so does that really change anything?

they've been hanging around leia a lot...."the princess isn't going to esacape this time" (or whatever he says).....

also whoever they belong to, they're servants.....slaves really, i mean we're debating who they "belong" to......

They know of the princess. C-3PO doesn't recognize her, but R2 seems to.
And who they belonged to isn't important because it doesn't change queeq's
point about POV.

3PO has at least a partial memory wipe, R2 doesn't because he (it) is smart and keeps quiet.

Nope. They seem to be part of the Tantive IV crew and by what's coming out about that kind of ship in ROTS, it might very well be that the Tantive IV is Leia's (or the Organa's) diplomatic ship with Capt. Antilles as captain. It could explain why the droids seem to know here.
Even in TPM we see that R2 is just part of the ship, he's one of the standard droids on board for maintenance. And that again goes with the story purpose of these droids which I explained earlier.

C-3PO knows who she is but doesn't know her by appearance.
Or he's fooled by a simple hood.....

It doesn't seem that Lucas has kept up that thing with the droids in the PT, not as much as the OT.

So, at the end, they are assigned to that ship, you think? That's an interesting idea, it keeps the trustworthy R2-D2 nearby for emergencies...

Yes, a good droid always comes in handy.

And true, the role of the droids has changed in the PT. There's a lot of explaining going on on the hows and where they come from. Boring really, but okay. However, I doubt GL can go as far as changing their role in the OT, so he has to somehow get that back together I think.

3po doesn't know her?.....he says she won't escape this time....this implies there have been many other times that she has been in peril, and that 3po was there.....

they are both servants/tradesmen in the prequels as well....even if they aren't the lowest of low, what queeq says is 100% true.....they are supposed to be "everymen".....i don't see why people are having trouble with this concept....

Me neither.

I think what Cipher and I are saying is that 3po may not know her perosnally or by appearance, he may know OF her, since she's a member of the Alderaan royal family and senator and on board of a diplomatic ship. In fact, the Tantive IV might HER ship, but that doesn't mean that the droids have a personal acquiantance with her.

I rethought what queeq said: I'm saying its not as prevalent in the PT.
And, to me, POV would make more sense if the droids were the main characters. But I know about Hidden Fortress and that made me reconsider...


C-3PO doesn't seem to recognize her when he sees her with R2.
And it is possible to know of someone but not know what they look like, especially lowly "everymen"......

sorry, i didn't mean "having trouble realising the droids belong to leia"....i've just always assumed that since i first saw the film (this thread is forcing me to reconsider that)....

but i was incredulous more at the trouble with the "everyman" bit....

That's been worked out, I think.....

The role of Tantive 4 in this movie makes me wonder if the droids are there by design or for the purpose they fulfill? Its when discussions get you to thinking
that forums are the most useful....

damn straight....i'm usually on top of sw....but every once in while a thread makes me question something i just took for granted....

sometimes i find it disorientating.....

Well, sit down until the dizziness passes.....

it's perpetual unfortunately.....

i like the final theory on "how do obi and yoda know anakin is vader".....damn good question.....

just when people mess with my impressions of the ot....it's too ingrained in my psyche....

Ingrained... interesting. But you're right to be that way, the PT does change the perspective of the OT. Especially by new additions like the "there can on,y be two sith" rule. It totally alters the way we perceive that convo between Vader and Palpy in ESB.

well, i must say, im getting sick to my stomach of "its just a movie"
what a cop out. if its "just a movie" any analizing it is pointless, why are
we even here discussing it? come up with a good contrary opinion, dont just kick it all beneath you. you're here, you're debating the movie, thus you're just another overanalytical SW geek, just like the rest of us.

"just a movie"

blasphemy

Infidels!

who said it's just a movie PVS?....

and queeq, it's not the pt changing the ot, i like that...i just get freaked out when it's pointed out that i may have misinterpreted something as a kid all by myself, like this ownership of the droids thing....it's like finding out you're adopted.....

"oh, im just so above all this...its JUST A MOVIE PEOPLE...now i will go to the other thread where im agrueing the reason yoda knows who darth vader is..."

hypocrites!!!!!!!!

"and the reason r5d4's motivator blows out at that precise moment is because........IT'S A MOVIE.......and not a movie like "the pianist" is a movie.....like the wizard of oz is a movie..... "

sound familiar?

i know you're joking PVS....

but i actually said the exact opposite to that....

GUIRO: BUSTED

Oh nooooooooo

seriously though, that wasnt aimed at you guiro.
some posters here are using that line way too much.
i just figured i'd bust on you since you actually seem to have
a sense of humor.

*waiting for guiro to expose his sense of humour*

i said it's a movie....i never used the word just..i specified the genre of the film.. .....

hope thats all he exposes

remember, kids are reading this

Me too!
Not yet though.

here, do this (in order):

i have to get up in four hours, and i haven't hit the shower yet....humour is NOT an option....maybe later.....

then i take it sleep is not an option as well!?!?!

....

it's not working....

i did suggest ralph brown for greivous's voice....

no, you're right....i have no sense of humour....

seagrave out...catch y'all tommorow...

actually...i suggested that you did have one.
you said you didn't.

GOOD GOD, GET SOME SLEEP MAN!!!

queeq wrote that he was waiting for evidence of it....

well, i don't see any evidence yet.... ....

Get a sense of hunour while you're waiting then.

just think, right now his alarm clock is buzzing,
he's wiping the layers of crust out of his eyes,
thinking "why the hell did i spend all that time at
KMC when i should have been sleeping!?!??"

regarding this memory wipe out thing...................

Is it done to erase the memories they get on Luke and Leia and their whereabouts ? possibly