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Bane vs The Joker

Ok i just saw The Dark Knight Rises and i can't decide if i liked Bane as a villian better than The Joker in The Dark Knight.

So i pose this question to you:

1 Who had the better plan
2 Who executed their plan better
3 Who caused Batman more pain (both physical and emotional)
4 Who was overall a better villain
5 Who was a better fit to counter Batman
6 And finally who was more closely true to their comic book counterparts?


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1. Bane
2. Bane
3. Joker probably
4. Bane was more effective, but I preferred the Joker
5. Don't know
6. Depends, the Joker is very similar to the one in the Killing Joke but not to many other incarnations.

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1. Bane
2. Bane
3. Joker probably
4. Bane was more effective, but I preferred the Joker
5. Don't know
6. Depends, the Joker is very similar to the one in the Killing Joke but not to many other incarnations.


bane

bane

bane

toss up

toss up

joker, but some of bane from the comics is also bane from the film


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You think Bane caused Bats more pain? Joker killed Rachel leaving Bruce as a husk of the man he once was. He basically took away the reason for Batman to live. By contrast, Bane gave him back a reason to live.

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You think Bane caused Bats more pain? Joker killed Rachel leaving Bruce as a husk of the man he once was. He basically took away the reason for Batman to live. By contrast, Bane gave him back a reason to live.


Joker was emotional and mental while Bane was physical, mental and emotional abuse


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Yeah, they made Bane highly effective.


Though I think the Joker was the better counter. Just because he's the Joker.

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The way i see it is Joker was a better counter to Bats because he's basically the exact opposite of Batman in just about every way.

Bane was very similar to Batman just stronger more durable and more ruthless. He was basically what Batman could become if he were willing to kill imo

The rest im not so sure of


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I don't want to spoil anything for people so spoilers below




The Joker IMO. Bane was a sub par villain imo. [SPOILER - highlight to read]: He was only a threat because he was a good fighter. Nothing lead me to believe that he was a mastermind planer as it seemed he was getting his orders from and the plans were created by Talia.


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Now that i think of it Bane was just a glorified henchmen wasn't he? Granted he kicked Batman's ass but he was still only #2.

Joker took no orders


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Now that i think of it Bane was just a glorified henchmen wasn't he? Granted he kicked Batman's ass but he was still only #2.

Joker took no orders


everybody seems to be forgetting that lol

EDIT: they made bane seem like the villain of the story so not to give away the twist but he ended up getting his orders from a higher up. He was smart enough to fallow the plan the way it was need to be fallowed but there was no evidence he was as brilliant as some people think. His role IMO was only as big as The Scarecrow in begins.


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I think people are greatly undermining Bane's role in the movie.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Yes, he was working with Talia but I never got the feeling he was her henchman. Rather, they seemed to be equals. Talia focused on the economic aspects by maneuvering Wayne Enterprises into creating the Nuclear device. Meanwhile, it was to Bane that fell the military takeover of Gotham.

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I think people are greatly undermining Bane's role in the movie.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Yes, he was working with Talia but I never got the feeling he was her henchman. Rather, they seemed to be equals. Talia focused on the economic aspects by maneuvering Wayne Enterprises into creating the Nuclear device. Meanwhile, it was to Bane that fell the military takeover of Gotham.


I can respect that but I felt through the whole movie that

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Bane was Talias bodyguard. My feeling was reinforced once Talia revealed she had the detonator and she admitted that she was the one that decided to fulfill her fathers plan to destroy Gotham. I took it as she devised the plans and bane fallowed them. Even in the plane when bane says "no brother one of us must stay behind" I didn't feel he was fallowing banes orders as much as he was doing it for the cause. I mean little things like escaping on the motor bikes at the stock exchange was his idea but it seemed to me that Talia laid out the actual big picture plans. Maybe Im undersold on him but I feel people are oversold on him.


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I think people are greatly undermining Bane's role in the movie.

[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Yes, he was working with Talia but I never got the feeling he was her henchman. Rather, they seemed to be equals. Talia focused on the economic aspects by maneuvering Wayne Enterprises into creating the Nuclear device. Meanwhile, it was to Bane that fell the military takeover of Gotham.


I got that feeling to


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I think it depends on if you've read the comic how you view Bane in the movie.


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i don't think we should need to use spoiler tags in a vs thread. what the hell are you doing in a versus thread if you haven't seen the movie the character is from. erm


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I think it depends on if you've read the comic how you view Bane in the movie.


Exactly. Plus Bane was presented as incredibly smart and a master tactician in the film as we see when he [SPOILER - highlight to read]: escapes from the Stock Exchange and how he realizes that one CIA agent isn't killing his men.

Plus he doesn't [SPOILER - highlight to read]: follow Talia's orders all the time as he tries to kill Batman even when Talia asks Bane to not kill him.

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1.Joker
2.Joker
3.Joker
4.Bane
5.Bane

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Re: Bane vs The Joker

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Originally posted by juggerman
Ok i just saw The Dark Knight Rises and i can't decide if i liked Bane as a villian better than The Joker in The Dark Knight.

So i pose this question to you:

1 Who had the better plan
2 Who executed their plan better
3 Who caused Batman more pain (both physical and emotional)
4 Who was overall a better villain
5 Who was a better fit to counter Batman
6 And finally who was more closely true to their comic book counterparts?


Bane

Bane

Joker

Toss up for me. I prefer Bane more though

Probably the Joker.

As for Bane just being a henchman. My take on it, you may disagree but this is what I'm going with Dang it because I like it better stick out tongue, is that [SPOILER - highlight to read]: is that Talia was kind of like the crowned figure head but Bane was the person doing all the major planning and fighting. Like Talia was like this what I want to do than it was up to Bane to get the job done because he was shown to be smart, effective, and good at this stuff.


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I think it depends on if you've read the comic how you view Bane in the movie.



I have all of Bane's comics.. his appearance in the dark knight rises is way better than the 'roid bane from Batman and Robin..


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I have all of Bane's comics.. his appearance in the dark knight rises is way better than the 'roid bane from Batman and Robin..
I'm not sure what that has to do with my post.


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