Hmm... this is tricky. At first glance I would have said Predator, but then I remember John punching a bowling ball and making it explode.
I guess I have to give it to John. They are both strong, the Predator probably having more strength, but John is definitely faster and more agile, with crazy martial arts skills AND he doesn't feel pain. I think that will be the deciding factor since the predator still feels pain.
Ofcourse, this is all in consideration that the Predator won't use his invisibility cloak.
The H2H fight will be harder to decide since the Predator, like I said, is still stronger.
Wolf's one of the fastest Predator's ever shown, and he's a great combatant.
His combistick gives him a ton of reach, and his wrist blades definitely give him more versatility during a fight, as he can just punch and do massive damage.
I wonder if you guys have actually watched Unisol 4? Wolf is stronger, tougher, and had great tech when he went up against the aliens and predalien. But the aliens/predalien are not exactly great combatants.
Ofcourse John won't be able to go up against the same aliens/predalien.... he doesn't have the tech to do so. On the other hand, one on one, Wolf has never went up against someone with the same speed and agility as John.
Now arm John with a machete (which we know can harm a predator) with his superior speed and martial arts training and that predator is seriously looking at getting severed limbs.
Now H2H is difficult. If they're allowed to grab whatever they can lay hands on, I'm still betting on John, but pure h2h Wolf probably wins.
Then there's the fact that John doesn't feel pain and is capable of fighting despite multiple cuts, stabs, and gunshot wounds.
I'm not saying he's stronger than Wolf but that he is strong enough to hurt him. He's also faster and more agile. We've already seen 3 people defeat Predators in melee, so a superhuman killing machine like John can do it too.
And Wolf defeated multiple superhuman killing machines in battle including H2H in the Aliens.
Simply saying that humans have beaten predators doesn't mean much to me, especially when said humans only won due to luck or the Predator not killing them in the first few seconds cause they were playing with them.
I have not seen the new Universal Soldier but I do know Wolf and you are underselling him.
Not only did he do it with tech he also did it with his bare hands.
Aliens are extremely fast and strong combatants, Wolf was able to beat a few of them in H2H, in fact he dominated them.
So unless you're saying John is faster and more agile then an Alien, something I find hard to believe but if you have proof I'll change my mind, than there is no reason to believe Wolf wouldn't do the same thing he did to the Aliens to John.
The Yakuza thing was so weird to me, for a few reasons. For one Predators have already beaten armed swordsmen before easily, 2 most predator weapons are shown to be significantly tougher than human made materials, the Katana should have shattered after the first hit, and thirdly Predators are so strong no human being should be able to block an attack from them.
All the other fights were luck. The Predator could have ripped Arnold's head off in the first movie, the same with Danny Glover in the second. They both got lucky that the Predator didn't kill them in one blow and allowed the fight to drag until they were able to nab the lucky win.
Aliens in general are fast, but show me any good speed feats the Aliens from AvPR had. You can't because they were slow as shit in that movie. Smaller too. This is irrelevant because Wolf had weapons there that he doesn't have here.
John is basically Boyka on super-steroids. That should tell you enough.
Just because some Predators might have beaten swordsmen before doesn't mean anything. Not all Predators are the same and neither are all humans. The Yakuza guy died too so it's all good.
I wasn't even talking about Arnold. He outwitted the Predator. Royce was speed-blitzing the Berserker Predator with the axe for a bit and Harrigan had the Predator on the run for half the movie. He was just that good. Plus, overconfidence and arrogance seems to be part of Predator nature.
You should really watch the movie and come back then. John is far more skilled and far faster than Wolf in H2H.
Yes, we're saying that John is faster and more agile than the aliens. You'll have to watch Unisol 4 to understand. John isn't just some uber-trained soldier like Jason Bourne. He was a legit, low-level superhuman.
He punched and shattered a thrown bowling ball at him. It's not the he just shattered it, it's how EASILY he was able to do it. And being able to punch something thrown at that velocity speaks of reaction speed way better than anything aliens have ever shown.
Aliens are fast, like hunter-fast, but I havn't seen them use any decent combat speed yet. Plus, they're mindless brawlers who relies on animal instinct.
We've seen what a trained human can do to a predator in an even match (yakuza fight). It shows that given the right edged weapon and training, a human is capable of beating a predator. John >>>> Yakuza.
AND, John doesn't feel pain while Wolf does. John also seems to be able to function properly despite multiple wounds which would incapacitate a normal man.
I'm not saying John would win easily, in fact he might even lose the h2h segment of a fight, but I still think he wins with a machete.
So you're going to claim that the only feats that matter for the Aliens are the ones from AvPR when discussing Wolf's lethality while using every film version of a Predator to discredit him at the same time?
Aliens were fast enough to run at people shooting at them and dodge their fire. Agile enough to run and jump up walls. Strong enough to carry the entire weight off a human being up walls with no problems.
All this statement means to me is that you're probably basing this notion of John being faster and more skilled than Wolf based on him using overtly fancy and flashy moves to beat people. Something I personally think you do often in threads.
It's not all good, the Yakuza guy's sword should have been cleaved in two after the first strike against a Predator Blade.
Also once again luck plays into effect. All those characters only survived because they got lucky that the Predator just didn't rip their head out with one quick attack. Something they've done to numerous other humans they fight.
It's not arrogance, in fact I would say it's the opposite. They're hunters and they like a good challenge. There is no honor for them if they simply kill a defenseless human being in one blow. They have to give them a chance or it's frowned upon and not a worthy kill.
Aliens can survive being thrown through concrete pillars, their tails are strong enough to punch wholes through stone. I don't think the bowling ball feat is really beyond what an Alien can do.
Like I said show me some good feats of him some videos and I'll change my mind if I do think he is in fact faster than an Alien.
Yeah, and Johnny boy survived getting a drill in his brain, got up and stomped a bunch of super-soldiers. He got pushed through a foot long stone wall, got up and killed the guy who pushed him through. Another thing I can think of is Luc and John were unable to cut each other deeper than a few inches with a machete and both have legit super-strength.
The movie came out a few days or weeks ago so I can't find anything on youtube. Just go and watch the damn thing. Seriously, the plot is all over the place but the action is damn good. The final ten or so minutes are a total bloodbath.
It doesn't matter if he's faster than an Alien because he's faster than Wolf and that's who he's fighting here.
Ok here's a thought, why don't YOU show me some speed feats of aliens? Or even better, show me some speed feats of a predator for that matter.
Yes John uses flashy kicks and sommesaults. That's still a better agility showing than anything either predator or alien have shown.
Aliens crashing through concrete pillars doesn't mean they have the strength necessary to crush said pillars on their own. All it says is that they were thrown by a force strong enough to crush those pillars and they were tough enough to survive the impact.
As for Alien tails being strong enough to punch holes through stone, I'm not disputing that. But then you see how effective those tails are vs. predators. Predators get impaled by that tail. We could therefore assume that John shouldn't have difficulties punching holes through the Predator with a machete.
Unisol 4 is a relatively new movie so it will be hard to find clips of it, but I'll try looking for some, In the meantime, I suggest you find decent speed/agility feats for both predators and aliens as well.
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That makes him tough and yes strong, things I'm not arguing against but is he tougher and stronger and faster than an Alien?
That does matter cause Wolf beat multiple Aliens in H2H. So if John isn't more dangerous than an Alien than odds are he is going to lose to Wolf. In fact he would probably have to be more deadly than multiple Aliens to beat Wolf.
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