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Island Lift Feat vs World Engine Feat

Two feats in observance.

I have watched MOS again times an observed the World Engine Feat and it is equal to Routh's Island Feat in every way maybe even a bit above it considering Cavil received no amp

Cavil was going up against Kryptonian Technology as well as the surrounding atmosphere was that of Kryptons and he battled it out with the formations of the world engine constructs.

They where un able to hurt him even in his weakened state. After they realized they could not hurt him they through him straight into the gravity beam thinking that was going to stop him.

Untold amounts of gravity where directly upon him, he was in a weakened state due to the terraforming. And thus when he focused his power he was able to create a force above what the gravity beam produced and destroy the world engine. No Sun Present..

Subsequently he also survived the singularity and his density and flight strength override the black hole as well.


Routh was in a similar situation but instead of the atmosphere making him weaker it was the kryponite. He got beat up but Lex and his thugs and stuck with kryponite and fell into the sea no sunlight present.

When they rescued him she pulled the major chunk out and what was left was a small sliver that the doctors later got and he regained his health.

After she pulled the kryponite out, he had to go receive direct sunlight to amp as shown, and there is no denying he is amping otherwise they would not have shown this scene or his strength retuning, thus he proceeds to go far under the crust and pull it out, he was under direct sunlight the whole lift as well being amp'd so as its shown the sun light overpowers the kryponite in his system and the island's radiation, otherwise he would not have been able to lift it at all.

Routh was amped before and was during whole feat and fought against his weakness and still completed the task he had to.

Cavil received no amp and and still fought against this weakness and complete the task he had to to save the earth the earth.

Tell me what you think is a greater feat based on what you have seen and what I have stated.


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World engine feat is unquantifiable.

Routh feat wins.

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Island feat is the more "quantifiable" feat. It is much better than the World Engine feat IMO.


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Originally posted by marwash22
World engine feat is unquantifiable.

Routh feat wins.

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Can you explain what is unquantifiable? It was clearly stated that it was turning earth into Krypton. The world engine beam was crushing matter and destroyed most of Metropolis and was right on top of Cavil, plus he survived the singularity.


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Originally posted by Zack Fair
Island feat is the more "quantifiable" feat. It is much better than the World Engine feat IMO.


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Can you explain what is unquantifiable? It was clearly stated that it was turning earth into Krypton. The world engine beam was crushing matter and destroyed most of Metropolis and was right on top of Cavil, plus he survived the singularity.
you have no idea how much force the beam was projecting onto Superman... it's unquantifiable.

on the other hand, you can measure the island Routh lifted and feasibly calculate how much it would weigh.


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Originally posted by marwash22
you have no idea how much force the beam was projecting onto Superman... it's unquantifiable.

on the other hand, you can measure the island Routh lifted and feasibly calculate how much it would weigh.


Crushing a city with a gravity beam while changing Earth into Krypton is unquantifiable?

He did lift it, but he was amped the whole time which clearly shows the sunlight overrides the radiation poison in his system.


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The Island lift is a better feat of strength, IMO.


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Crushing a city with a gravity beam while changing Earth into Krypton is unquantifiable?
you can not prove that the gravity being projected onto Superman was the same as the pulses of gravity that destroyed Metropolis.


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He did lift it, but he was amped the whole time which clearly shows the sunlight overrides the radiation poison in his system.
the island was made of Kryptonite. no expression


your bias is showing.


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you can not prove that the gravity being projected onto Superman was the same as the pulses of gravity that destroyed Metropolis.


the island was made of Kryptonite. no expression


your bias is showing.


I wrote out a equal statement for both, I think I am being more then fair man.

Routh's feat was great so was Cavil's I just think Routh had more help due to Amp. Its un deniable that the sunlight amp overpowers's the radiation poisoning in his system.

Both great feats in a weakened state no doubt.


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the island was made of Kryptonite. no expression



why are you ignoring this fact?


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The island was made of Kryptonite, yes.

That, alone, makes it a better feat.

And didn't Kal have some Krptonite shrapnel in his chest, as well?


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Originally posted by marwash22
why are you ignoring this fact?


I'm not! I'm simply stating that the sun amp over rides the kryponite poisoning..if it didn't how could he have lifted a island made of it and have it in his body. Its a good representation of a sun amp for Superman.


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He was under a bigass kryptonite island how could he get a sun amp

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I'm not! I'm simply stating that the sun amp over rides the kryponite poisoning..if it didn't how could he have lifted a island made of it and have it in his body. Its a good representation of a sun amp for Superman.
that makes no sense.

the very first time he arrived on the island, he was at full strength, and just landing on the surface immediately started to weaken him. He was then stabbed, had it removed, flew to the sun to regain his strength... then moved the island.

are you trying to tell me that the sun completely overrode being under an island made of kryptonite?

c'mon. you sound ridiculous.


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Originally posted by marwash22
that makes no sense.

the very first time he arrived on the island, he was at full strength, and just landing on the surface immediately started to weaken him. He was then stabbed, had it removed, flew to the sun to regain his strength... then moved the island.

are you trying to tell me that the sun completely overrode being under an island made of kryptonite?

c'mon. you sound ridiculous.


There was no sun present when he landed on the island man. If the sun was present when he landed how did he get his ass kicked by the thugs and then have to re power under direct sunlight? I am saying the sunlight directly over rides the Kryptonite as it clearly is shown to do. No need to get heated man, I'm just debating with you sunlight amp's merits to his power amp.


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the sun isn't even shining, and it most certainly was not amping him when he was under the water when the lifting process began.


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He Amp's and used heat vision to get under the crust so the kryptonite was not directly on him. If the sunlight didn't matter why did he have to go amp under it to get his power back.

He was under the crust the whole time then at min 1:50-2:20 it is clearly shown after the island is basically out of orbit that the kryptonite comes out and starts to weaken him again. However the sun is still shining and you can see the sun in this feat.

From min 2:00 we see the kryptonite start to weaken him again as he is finally removed the island from orbit and then job's done and he loses consensus.

No discredit shown it was an amazing feat and I'm not discrediting his feat by saying he amp'd. All I'm saying is that he did amp.

Sunlight is his power, he used it. Fair and Square.


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