[SPOILER - highlight to read]: IM didn't beat down the Hulk, tho. Hulk was winning until Wanda's spell wore off and he saw the destruction he wrought which replaced anger with horror/regret/sadness. Iron Man proceeded to sucker punch him.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: It hadn't really worn off, Hulk looked like he was calming down, then raged again and charged at the people. And Iron Man didn't cheap shot him, it's not his fault Hulk didn't pay attention.
And all that said, Iron Man in his Hulkbuster armor has comparable strength to an angry Hulk and a lot of weapons + flight. Also, Thor can't use his lightning on him, he definitely doesn't want to deal with a 400% amped version of this Iron Man. Whatever happens, it's gonna be a hard fight for Thor.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Veronica may have nearly matched Hulk's strength, but he wasn't nearly as durable as Hulk was tearing pieces of the armor right off. And even with all his weaponry and his the parts replacement, he was barely keeping up.
Thor still has his tornadoes and his hammer can def hurt the armor. TBf, Thor matched Hulk, too. And he has ranged attacks (via hammer throw) and is a much more skilled fighter and would likely target the spare parts first or blow it away via tornado winds to prevent repair once he sees what it does.
It'll be a hard, drawn out fight but I'll go for Thor here.
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__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Notice that the repair drone is here, so Iron Man can repair himself. I wouldn't say he was barely keeping up, he managed to rescue civilians, knock a tooth out of Hulk's mouth, run him through a skyscraper, and finally KO him. It looked pretty even to me.
Thor didn't really match Hulk's strength, he had to use both arms against Hulk's one. Not to mention that that was a freshly transformed Hulk, while Tony fought an enraged one. I wouldn't call Thor a skilled fighter either, Natasha, Cap, and Hawkeye are all far more skilled than him, Thor's not much more than brawler. Thor could target the drone, but could he do it while a Hulk-level enemy was bashing his face?
He needed both arms to lift it off. And he managed to push Hulk off even tho Hulk was much bigger and pushing down and he had to push up. Of course Hulk is stronger, tho. The same way he was stronger than Veronica IMO. And Hulk was enraged by Loki's magic, too. He wasn't freshly transformed, he was chasing Widow around for a bit before then.
Watch Avengers 1, he was dodging Hulk's attack and outfighting him at first til he stupidly tried to restrain him. Veronica isn't a Hulk level enemy. Tony did a lot if running away in order to buy himself time to get new parts. Thor can blow up one part then as soon as he sees Tony summon up new parts, he tosses the hammer into it.
The difference is that Thor already tanked repulsors from an amped Iron-man, whereas Iron-man has never tanked damaged equal to a charged Mjolnir strike.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: True, but you're wrong about one thing, pushing up is way easier than pushing down. Thor had the strength of his legs, the strongest part of the body, while Hulk didn't. But I won't get into that. Hulk was also fighting longer before Iron Man showed up, and he was pissed by people shooting at him and the cage Tony dropped on him
You said it yourself, he stupidly tried to restrain him, and where was this vaunted skill when Kurse was wrecking his anus? At one point Tony collides fists with a charging Hulk, producing a strong shockwave, and he doesn't even stumble backwards. Plus there's the fact that he, you know, KOed him. So, yes, the Hulkbuster is definitely Hulk-level. That's if Tony gives him enough breating room to do so.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
That is if you have good positioning and leverage. Thor was on one knee and pushed off with that one leg while Hulk, being much larger, had full leverage pushing down. This Hulk has never shown the level of dynamic strength shown by comic Hulk so him being pissed longer doesn't really mean that much.
The tactic wasn't sound but he had to try to restrain him to prevent more destruction with them being in an airship surrounded by fragile humans. Unfortunately, it just didn't work. Also, let's not lowball Thor's fighting skill with the Kurse fight. Kurse was the greatest warrior of his race.
The impact Thor has shown with his charged hammer poops on the impact shockwave they caused.
KO by sucker punch vs a completely distracted and no longer hostile opponent is the lowest and least recognizable KO in the list of KO's used in guaging how close you are to said opponent.
Veronica does not have the damage soak Thor has. The minute a limb is blown off, that's all the breathing room Thor needs.
So, they both have good durability. Tony still performed better against Hulk.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: One leg is still more than enough. I can squat 200kg but there's no way I can delive that kind downward force from Hulk's position, especially with one arm. Hell, I wouldn't even get half that. These are both characters that can lift 1000s of tonnes, Hulk being a few hundred kilos heavier than Thor doesn't mean much. Hulk's entire thing is getting stronger the madder he gets. Also, this is still technically the same as Norton's Hulk, and that version had on-screen dynamic strength.
The sounder tactic would be to force Hulk outside. Thor just isn't very bright, that's always been part of his character. Sure, Kurse was very strong, that's exactly why Thor should have used some of that fighting skill to compensate for his strength. Yet, he didn't, he just got beat down.
The point wasn't about the shockwave, but that Iron Man matched a charging and enraged Hulk's punch without even flinching. That's huge, and it will cause Thor trouble.
It wasn't a sucker punch as they were fighting for a while, and Hulk was still hostile. Tony laid him out because he was about to attack the civilians.
Yes, Thor's durability is superior, but Iron Man can repair himself. It's not like that drone is just going to sit around while Thor shoots lightning at it either.
Thor was trying to talk sense into the Hulk and when that failed to restrain him and was in a place where he couldn't use his more destructive powers. Iron-man was not similarly restricted in what he was able to do.
__________________ posted by Badabing
I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.
Hulk shrugged off everything the Hulkbuster threw at him including having a skyscraper dumped on his head. Tonys armour looked comparable strength-wise as both guys were knocking each other across the city, however Hulk seemed considerably more durable. Blowing up the skyscraper was a last-ditch attack by Tony as his amour was taking heavy damage and losing power.
I honestly don't believe Thor could match the Hulk or the Hulkbuster in pure brute strength, but his hammer throws could cause considerable damage. I think Thor can take damage long enough to destroy the flying drone and then proceed to dismantle Tony.
[SPOILER - highlight to read]:
No, Tony fought the Hulk longer. He didnn't do "better". The Hulk vs Thor fight was inconclusive and not only was Thor holding back for fear of killing fragile humans, he didn't have access to his lightning (w/c greatly increases his striking power), his flight (which improves his tactical positioning) and his winds (which gives him half his tactical options), while being in an enclosed space (which favors Hulk). While Tony had the civilian-protection"plan" already coded into Veronica so he could mostly (tho there were times he still had to take the time to rescue civies) focus on fighting Hulk.
That's in the comics. In the movies, it was never alluded to that he had dynamic strength, although in Ang Lee (I think) he got bigger as he got madder but that's not the same Hulk. I don't recall Norton Hulk having dynamic strength, he got more savage as he got angrier and he seemed to have crazy soak but don't recall a dramatic change in strength. And I don't think it's about how long they are angry but how angry they get. And Loki's mind control and Wanda's seem to be comparable.
A squat requires you to use proper leveraging and form. Thor had neither of that. He was down on one knee and Hulk had the leverage and he did not. And I thought you were no longer getting into this? Can we just agree that Hulk is stronger than Thor or Veronica but both characters are comparable?
We cannot judge "sounder tactic" becaue of 20/20 hindsight of what happened. You're using monday morning quarterbacking to pass judgement on Thor's tactics. Thor did not know how that Hulk did powerful leaps, Thor did not know the layout of the base, Thor did not know if he could or could not subdue Hulk if he tried. He did what he could based on the information in front of him. And, again with the downplaying. Kurse caught Thor by surprise (as Thor was trying to stop the ship Malekith was in from escaping), kept him off balance, dazed and separate from Mjolnir. That is not a slight against Thor's tactics but a plus to Kurse's.
No one said Veronica had poweful fists, just that by "feats" Mjolnir has more poweful attacks when charged up.
That is not how I remember the scene. Hulk crawls out of the rubble. The "glow" in his eyes faded (which is a sign of Wanda's influence fading), he looks around in horror at the destruction he's caused, he relaxes his shoulders in sorrow, then Iron Man sucker shots him.
Thor has too many tools he can use to shoot that drone down. Lightning (which the drone can't dodge), tornadoes, a hammer throw, throwing rocks at it worked for the Hulk. There is no way that drone is staying up for more than a few seconds the second Thor knows what it can do.
Good fight. But Thor outlasts Veronica and wins more than not. 7/10.
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