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Dr. Octopus vs Sentinel (Matrix)

Who is the superior squid?

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Dr. Octopus would win this fight. His tentacles are far superior, capable of not only keeping the Sentinel at bay but also crushing it with ease.


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Sentinels, incredibly easily.

They have 15 tentacles to Doc's 4. Even if two Sentinel tentacles held onto each of Doc's, that's still 7 he has to fight off.

Plus they have a laser that can tear through metal.


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Sentinels, incredibly easily.

They have 15 tentacles to Doc's 4. Even if two Sentinel tentacles held onto each of Doc's, that's still 7 he has to fight off.

Plus they have a laser that can tear through metal.


I believe his tentacles are longer than the Sentinels' (extending up to 18 feet), allowing him to keep them at bay while crushing or tearing them apart. He can also swat them with enough force to send them flying and damaged. The Sentinels' laser torches are short-range, designed for high-intensity cutting rather than long-range attacks. They function more like welding tools for breaching barriers rather than combat weapons.

Dr. Octopus' tentacles are significantly stronger than steel, as they effortlessly ripped off a several-foot-thick bank vault door.


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Sentinels FTW


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On paper a sentinel would need just one good hit to kill Ock, but he tanked some pretty ridiculous things in Spider-man 2, so it's hard to say. The Sentinels in the sequels had lasers. Does this one have a laser it can use to hit Ock from a distance?

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I dont remember long distance lasers. Only the laser cutters up close.

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I mean, we saw what happened when the Iron Spider suit deployed its [much shorter] appendages and went up against Ock:

https://i.imgur.com/Wwo3u7t.mp4

Now imagine 15 longer tentacles, plus 6 legs.

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The tentacles were tearing through Zion's tunnels when attacking; the lasers were going through the hoverships plating AND through the ship itself (which is about....10ft high?Trinity is 5ft8) and into the floor:

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They're not just short range lasers.

Not to mention they fly, and pretty fast/agilely.


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I dont remember long distance lasers. Only the laser cutters up close.


Wtf is a short distance laser? The beam doesn't magically stop after 5 metres or whatever.

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I mean, we saw what happened when the Iron Spider suit deployed its [much shorter] appendages and went up against Ock:

https://i.imgur.com/Wwo3u7t.mp4

Now imagine 15 longer tentacles, plus 6 legs.

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The tentacles were tearing through Zion's tunnels when attacking; the lasers were going through the hoverships plating AND through the ship itself (which is about....10ft high?Trinity is 5ft8) and into the floor:

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They're not just short range lasers.

Not to mention they fly, and pretty fast/agilely.

I stand corrected on the lasers.

1. His tentacles are longer than theirs, as they can extend up to approximately 13-15 feet. This allows him to either strike or grab them from a distance.
2. The Sentinels never used their lasers in direct combat - only for breaching barriers. The Matrix Revolutions shows how they actually fight.
3. The AI in his tentacles can react with incredible speed. They are fast enough to catch Spider-Man, shield himself from fast moving projectiles, etc.

Now, if we assume the combatants are fully controlled by us, then a Sentinel could easily win with its laser.


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a sentinel wins with a single tow bomb lol.


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One sentinel obliterates Ock with staggering ease.


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I stand corrected on the lasers.

1. His tentacles are longer than theirs, as they can extend up to approximately 13-15 feet. This allows him to either strike or grab them from a distance.
2. The Sentinels never used their lasers in direct combat - only for breaching barriers. The Matrix Revolutions shows how they actually fight.
3. The AI in his tentacles can react with incredible speed. They are fast enough to catch Spider-Man, shield himself from fast moving projectiles, etc.

Now, if we assume the combatants are fully controlled by us, then a Sentinel could easily win with its laser.


And I've shown how Ock and his tentacles fight i.e. the much shorter ranged Iron Spider gets within punching distance. He doesn't just stand far away and fully extend his tentacles and plays keep away.

Not to mention again, a squiddie doesn't really have a mind of its own; it's the entire Matrix fighting here against Doc Ock.


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And I've shown how Ock and his tentacles fight i.e. the much shorter ranged Iron Spider gets within punching distance. He doesn't just stand far away and fully extend his tentacles and plays keep away.

Not to mention again, a squiddie doesn't really have a mind of its own; it's the entire Matrix fighting here against Doc Ock.

That only works if:

1. There are no contradicting showings of how he fights.

2. It can be proven that Dr. Ock deliberately chose to fight that way - intentionally allowing Spider-Man to enter striking range before attacking.


Spider-Man is much faster than a Sentinel, so his ability to get within striking range isn't a result of Dr. Ock's choice. Moreover, Dr. Ock has caught and tagged Spider-Man multiple times without needing him to be within striking range.

He could simply grab a Sentinel and destroy it within seconds. The Sentinel operates on a programmed response system.


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Name the times he used them to play keep away at their fullest extension in battle.


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Name the times he used them to play keep away at their fullest extension in battle.


He doesn't need to play keep-away; he can simply grab it and destroy it or bat it out of the air.

His tentacles, which have a mind of their own, wouldn't intentionally allow it to come within striking range. If it does, it's only because it was faster than he or they could react to.


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That's not how his fights went.


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I think they both die 10/10 almost every time. The sentinel isn't going to quit or give up and for it to attack it has to get within range of his arms.

Almost every time you play this out, with that many tentacles grasping around autonomously...

A dive bomb from high altitude would be the sentinels best way of not getting hit

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That's not how his fights went.

I disagree. He grabbed Spider-Man in one scene and batted him away in another.

But that's irrelevant. Why?
Because the tentacles have impressive perception and reaction feats.
Because neither the tentacles nor Dr. Ock would intentionally allow the Sentinel to get within striking range.


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