Goku utilized a "Super Kaio-Ken"(Super Saiyan+Kaio-Ken) against Pikkon. Since a base-level kaio-ken doubles the user's power, Goku would have technically wielded the same level of power as a SSJ2 for a split-second. However, even though Goku momentarily possessed power on that scale, Pikkon still shrugged off a full-force punch from him without so much as a scratch to show for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7HvJMFZo7Y
Pikkon's blows were also sufficient to have a noticeable effect on Janemba(a Buu-level character who had been stomping SSJ3 Goku beforehand): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_bgM6mcTjo
And as was mentioned in your last thread, Pikkon utterly trounced Perfect Cell with only 2 blows(1 good kick, then another nonchalant strike), before owning Frieza and King Cold with a casual strike each: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYcEvG3rvl0
(1:46)
Anyhow, I'm assuming this is SSJ2 kid Gohan from the Cell Games. That said, if he wouldn't have been phucking around with Cell the entire time, he likely could have beaten him just as easily as Pikkon did---unless, of course, we assume that Cell still retained his resurrection/SSJ2-esque/Jesus powers after he was killed. If he did, then Pikkon would come out looking better than Gohan, imo.
Regardless, this would be a great fight! Man, I wish Pikkon were canon to the manga, he was a great character.
Yeah, assuming Cell retained his post-res Jesus powers in the afterlife, Pikkon tooling him with such a casual degree of ease is really quite astounding given that Cell was on par with a SSJ2. I know that showing isn't canon to the manga, but it definitely goes down as one of (if not the) best feats that took place throughout the anime.
Heck, even if that was pre-res/non-Jesus Cell, it is still an extremely uber feat for Pikkon... A SSJ2-level feat, in fact.
If we are assuming that Cell retained his Jesus powers in the afterlife(which is certainly a logical assumption), then yes, this is a stomp in Pikkon's favor, as that means he effortlessly stomped a being that SSJ2 Gohan likely would have been hard-pressed to defeat(even without an injury.)
If we are assuming that Cell merely retained his pre-resurrection powerset in the afterlife(dunno why dying would depower him, but w/e), then the battle becomes much harder to gauge, as even in that scenario Pikkon would've still possessed SSJ2-level power.
Has anyone ever been depowered after being sent to the afterlife?
That makes me think of another point: How strong are the "demons" and King Yemma? They have to keep order in heaven/hell but with uber powerful beings like Frieza and Cell they would have to be powerful too right? Or maybe the baddies do get depowered.....
And yes i do recall when Cell and Frieza were uprising and Goku and Pikkon had to go in but still to hold Frieza and company in check before Cell arrived might speak to how powerful the Yemma is or that they were in fact powered down
King Yemma isn't charged with keeping order so much as judging who goes to Heaven/Hell. Either way, while I can't recall an instance that alludes to his PL, I doubt very highly that he's remotely close to Frieza or Cell's level, given that they were vastly superior to any demon(s) they encountered in hell.
Tbh, I never got the impression that characters were depowered in the afterlife. They always appear to be the same as they were in the living world.
They are not depowered. Goku should be a prime example of this along with the other Z fighters (including Vegeta). All of them during death retained their power levels.
Gohan. Pikkon is only at an ssj level, it was a mistake in the anime that he beat Cell (he did reach ssj2 level). Very inconsistent and should be ignored.
Why would Cell be the only major character who suddenly gets weaker in the afterlife?
Once that music plays, Gohan would know he's phucked. Going up against a guy who's more powerful than him, and with like a millenia of more acquired skills.
Anyway, I agree. Goku followed Pikkon to Hell because he thought he'd need help beating Cell--- if Cell would have been depowered, Goku wouldn't have been concerned. The simple fact is that Pikkon was [a lot] more powerful than Cell, and Goku was only able to compete with Pikkon because his power had also increased substantially.
You just can't ignore the stages of ssj either, which have 2 being always greater than 1. SSJ 2 Gohan wins this fight easy, Goku defeated Pikkon and was only an ssj (he loses to Cell aswell after he regenerates from self destruct). Huge mistake in the filler epsiode for what they did to Cell.
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