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LSSJ Broly vs Teen Gohan SSJ2

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LSSJ is overkill. Base Broly crushes him.


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Which Broly?


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Not even sure it matters, non canon Broly could probably take SSJ2 Teen Gohan.


He just walked through that point blank Kamehameha that blasted off Cell's top. Both were depowered, but there's a pretty clear durability difference.


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Not even sure it matters, non canon Broly could probably take SSJ2 Teen Gohan.


He just walked through that point blank Kamehameha that blasted off Cell's top. Both were depowered, but there's a pretty clear durability difference.


SSJ2 Gohan destroyed Super Bojack, though.

And movie continuity makes it clear each next villain was more powerful than the previous one.


So it's most likely like this:

Second Coming Broly > SSJ2 Gohan > Super Bojack > Original Broly


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If it's Movie 8 Broly, Gohan wins. If it's Movie 10 Broly, Gohan probably loses after a very close fight.


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Gohan in Movie 10 didn't neglect his training like in the anime/manga continuity, if memory serves.

And from the film sketches, he was very much meant to be SSJ2, it's just that TOEI hates the ssj2 transformation for some reason.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/82/c...ca7e6d403d0.jpg

Of course, people are still debating it to this day, same as Gohan/Dabura fight.


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He didn't neglect his training in the movies? I always assumed he had(just like in the 'mainstream' timeline.) /shrug


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He didn't neglect his training in the movies? I always assumed he had(just like in the 'mainstream' timeline.) /shrug


I'd need to rewatch Second Coming and compare dub with subs (neither of the Broly sequels appealed to me much, so my memory is spotty on them).

But it was one of the major differences, iirc.



Here, from kanzenshuu:

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How is Super Perfect Cell stronger than Broly second coming, if Broly from movie 8 is as strong as Perfect Cell? you should know that Broly second coming got a zenkai boost, him being less stronger than Super Perfect Cell makes 0 sense.

Movie 8 Broly >> Perfect Cell or at least = to Perfect Cell
Movie 10 Broly >> SSJ2 Gohan (note: Gohan isn't nerfed in movie 10 so his SSJ2 should be good enough)


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Source: https://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/vi...amp;start=30840


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Yeah, he really does say that.

Around 34m00s.

He's as bad a monster as ever! And here I'm supposed to have powered up considerably since back then!


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I'd need to rewatch Second Coming and compare dub with subs (neither of the Broly sequels appealed to me much, so my memory is spotty on them).

But it was one of the major differences, iirc.



Here, from kanzenshuu:



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That is legit. I just checked my copy of the Jap dub:
https://ibb.co/pfXz9kk
https://ibb.co/CzkCSnY

I guess I never realized(or if I did, I forgot all about it), because the line was removed from the English dub.

So like you said: that means Movie 10(Boo era) Gohan > Movie 8/9(Cell era) Gohan. So in that case, M10 Broly would obviously stomp Cell-era Gohan comfortably.


*And yes, I definitely believe that Gohan was using SS2 against Broly(and Dabura for that matter), because there would have been absolutely NO reason for him to hold back a vast amount of his power against either of them.


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because there would have been absolutely NO reason for him to hold back a vast amount of his power against either of them.


Exactly.

It wasn't some test or sparring... and it's just not Gohan's style to limit himself just to make fights more challenging/fun.

He's not Goku, lol.


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Yep. thumb up

When Gohan fought Broly, he was the only one on earth capable of doing anything at all against him(Goku was dead at the time, and Vegeta was logically weaker than him), and he still got stomped... Gohan isn't a dipshit, and certainly wouldn't have held back a transformation that could have doubled his power for the lulz, given that the earth's survival was at stake.

With Dabura it's even more obvious that he was logically using SS2, but I won't get into that here...


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Toei complicated everything by randomly adding lightning/sparks to non-ssj2 transformations and forgetting about them during some ssj2 scenes.

Toriyama is not without his own fault, of course, but he remembered about those damn sparks most of the time, at least.

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Anyway, we agree that only M8 Broly loses this match.


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I understand zenkais are unique to Saiyans, but I never got why some of the characters (mainly during the Namek arc) were so surprised by the fact that their powers increase with training and fighting.

Like, didn't their own powers also increase with training and fighting? confused


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Dodoria and Zarbon thought that Vegeta increasing his PL from 18,000 to 24,000 was impossible.

So while I'm sure most of the B cast back then could increase their PLs to some extent with intensive training, they evidently couldn't increase by *that* much. Hence them being blown away by relatively mediocre Saiyan zenkai boosts.


*I'm not including DBS examples, because it seems like everyone of note has leveled up to at least God-tier power for literally no reason at all.


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Through out the entirety of early dragon ball, 6 years of training on got goku a couple hundred pl points.

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*I'm not including DBS examples, because it seems like everyone of note has leveled up to at least God-tier power for literally no reason at all.


laughing out loud

Seriously, yeah.


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I guess future Trunks in the DBS flashback was also SSJ2 against Babidi and Dabura, just they didnt show the sparks because of Toei inconsistency as pointed out. But yeah.


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We actually see in the manga the point Trunks goes ssj2 against Dabura. So, the manga is always consistent with the ssj2 people having the lightning aura.


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