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Batdude and Kahn's Match #4: Team Pr/Philosophia vs. Team id/King Kandy

Team Pr/Philosophia

Superman: Both
Martian Manhunter: Philosophia
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan): Pr

vs.

Genis (Photon)
Onslaught (Xavier/Magneto)
Quasar

(I'd ask that id/King Kandy specify which characters will be used, and which one will be shared in their first posts of the match).

Location: Flooded Earth completely covered with water.

Prep Time:
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).

Here's a link to the rules of the tourney:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t522335.html

Judges:
TBA


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Team Pr/Philosophia Part 1

quote:

-Pr- wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 02:47 PM:
Prep Post:

First thing we’ll do is multiply Hal’s ring and have each of our characters have 10 rings that will all be recharged with the power battery. Now, before people start complaining that it's not possible:

Hal's ring duplicating:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...-Megan-Joan.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/bn613.jpg

Now. As to whether Superman and J'onn can use the rings, we present you with our arguments for that. First is Superman, and tbh, we only need one page for that, which is this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/02.jpg

So now that's established, we move on to J'onn. Now, while J'onn doesn't have any feats of actually using a GL ring, one thing he does have is several feats of him showing insane willpower and overcoming his fears (of fire no less), which as we all know is the prerequisite for having a GL ring.

So without further ado:

Here he is after only landing on Earth, overcoming his fear of fire:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...Willpower1a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...Willpower1b.jpg

Here he is after being telepathically attacked, and forced to relive every bad memory he's ever had at the same time:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...BadMemories.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...adMemories2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...adMemories3.jpg

By the end of the issue, he's standing casually on the watchtower talking to Kyle Rayner after defeating his enemy.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...adMemories4.jpg

Man's got willpower coming out of his ears.


Afterwards, we’ll have them do the following things:

Superman will set up the telepathic inhibitor,
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...cInhibitor1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...cInhibitor2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...cInhibitor3.jpg

make an armour designed to filter the red sun radiation into the yellow one -similar to the one Russian Zod had- program the rings not to let kryptonite radiation through -the auto-shield blocks radiation on a daily basis, since travelling through space/suns etc would kill them instantly otherwise- also, here’s the ring’s energy directly manipulating radiation:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...nradiation1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...nradiation2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...nradiation3.jpg

increase his strength,
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ngthAmping1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ngthAmping2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ngthAmping3.jpg

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http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ngthAmping4.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ngthAmping5.jpg

and, of course, the auto-shields will be further strenghtened - GL rings direct the energy twoards auto-shields to protect rookies from black holes:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...utoShields1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...utoShields2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...utoShields3.jpg

Next one up is Martian Manhunter who will program the ring in order to alter his sensory perception twoards fire and to stop telepathic assaults, the same way Superman and Hal did. The rest of the power will be directed twoards the auto-shields protecting him. And just in case anyone is going to attempt to manipulate the surplus of iron in his blood, well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ularControl.jpg

It's a simple matter of removing it, thereby making that so-called "weakness" non-existent. And in case you want an actual example rather than him just saying he can alter his molecular structure, well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...nBonearmour.jpg

See?


Hal will set up the telepathic inhibitors , make armor for himself and amp his strength up in the process and on top of it divert a significant amount of his energy for the auto-shield. He also uses his ring in order to increase his neural firings in order to increase his speed:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...uralFiring1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...uralFiring2.jpg

As soon as the fight starts, Martian Manhunter will attack Quasar, Superman will forcibly remove Onslaught from the battlefield either physically punching him:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...olarSystem2.jpg
or grab and throw him into space:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...winginOrbit.jpg

and then physically attack and take down Genis. We’re far faster than either of our opponents so it’s no question that as soon as the bell rings, we’ll do the first move through Martian Manhunter

Him looking at lightspeed radion signals coming twoards him with energy Superman:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...adioSignals.jpg

Zooming across continents and pwning White Martians and the towers they built:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...edblitzing1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...edblitzing2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...edblitzing3.jpg

Or fighting Flash at superspeed:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6514/flash1xy0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5810/flash2ye7.jpg

and Superman (yeah..).

MM will phase through whatever defenses the opposing team has set up, and it’s been shown that Quasar is useless against phasing:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...angibility1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...angibility2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...angibility3.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...angibility4.jpg

Here’s him flat-out saying that phasing should get through his shield:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...angibility6.jpg

And here’s Martian Manhunter phase-owning White Martianss:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ilityPwning.jpg

Superman will either go intangible himself:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...Intangible1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...Intangible2.jpg
--
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...sIntangibl3.jpg

By altering his vibrational frequency like when he attempted to do it here (but he was exhausted):
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...sVibrating3.jpg

Or like when he matched the Ghost Earth’s frequency:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...sVibrating2.jpg


or just straight up blitz-attack the shield and, when considering Superman’s enhanced strength and speed, will be down in no time. Amped Superman + using his speed to deliver thousands of punches in moments will surely down Genis since far less has:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../RonanKTFO1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../RonanKTFO2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../RonanKTFO3.jpg

In case MM will not be able to phase through your defenses, this is where Hal comes into play, as he’ll shoot Anti-matter at Quasar

Here’s Hal creating anti-energy:
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/674266c2.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/db4679d5.jpg

Stel transforming himself into anti-matter:
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/...erinversion.jpg

Hal opening up an anti-matter portal and removing the anti-matter components from Adam Strange’s gun:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...tterPortal1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...tterPortal2.jpg

another thing Quasar is useless against:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...AntiMatter1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...AntiMatter1.jpg

With telepathy nullified, the speed, physicall strength and the rings on our side, Onslaught wouldn’t be a problem, and we’d either forcibly drag him to the sun or just plain destroy his armour and overload him using the aforementioned anti-energy.


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Team Pr/Philosophia Part 2

quote:

-Pr- wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 02:47 PM:
So to summarise:

We have Three High Herald Green Lanterns. Each man has one thousand percent (yes, 1000%) of pure, unadulterated willpower. None of the opposition's guys are faster than Superman or J'onn in terms of reflexes or travel speed (and even with Hal sped up, he's above or at least equal to our opposition too). We have two men who can see attacks coming and can go intangible (even Superman has TWO seperate options), strengthen their shields or simply soak up whatever you hit us with.

The fight itself? We're fast enough to catch the opposition off guard, and we have the strength and power to put them down once we get within range,and have effectivly nullified or have answers to everything they can throw at us...


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Team id/King Kandy Part I.


quote:

id369 wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 08:37 PM:


Intro Music: Alice and Chains “Rooster”.




1) Genis-Vell will share his power, and abilities with the rest of his team members as he did with Karl Coven. With the key difference that Genis-Will share greater portions of his power, given that Onslaught and Quasar are excellent batteries. Onslaught has shown to have absorbed both Franklin Richards and Nate Grey. Quasar has previously absorbed Ego‘s essence and power.

Here is the proof that Genis had previously shared his powers/abilities with Karl.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/...arveliv1202.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...pideytobits.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...enmechanics.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/33...rveliv11p18.jpg

As easy as Genis grants thee, he takes it away. It goes to show how fast the processes works.
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/...arveliv1220.jpg

Note: Keep in mind that sharing great portions of power, does not effect Genis-Vell in the slightest. Frankly he has too much of it, and can afford to give ample amount away to his team mates for two reasons.

The Nega Bands draw energy from a limitless source.
http://h.imagehost.org/0697/Captain_Marvel_V2_04_19.jpg

Genis-Vell vary being draws energy from the universe itself.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/...ts100page26.jpg

The point is he has ample amount of energy to spare, and will not weaken from sharing more of his power.
In trying to drain me….you tried to drain the living heart of the universe.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...4-vsMagus11.jpg

2) Genis-Vell will then make use of his Cosmic Awareness, and apply Omniversal Telepathy on his team. Genis does so to transfer his memories, and experience regarding the use of his power.

Genis-Vell’s control over his cosmic awareness is so acute, he can apply telepathy at an Omniversal scale.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...erbolts1506.jpg

Here we see an example of Genis-Vell using his Cosmic Awareness, to show his memories.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/...lts018page1.jpg

3) - Create Body Armor, and amp their physical stats.
Lets Brick them Up!

Quasar will armor up the team, capable of withstanding Surfer energy blast. This sturdy armor was made instantly, in the heat of battle. Notice Quasar comments: “Once I armor up, I wont feel a thing”.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...lverSurfer1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...lverSurfer2.jpg

Now that the team can all apply Captain Marvel’s power, they will take a moment to amp their physical stats.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...hroughWall3.jpg

4) - Apply Mental Shields, Cloaking, and Shields.

Now keep in mind that all team members can apply their own mental defenses. But just to be on the safe side, Onslaught will provide them with a reinforced psi screen that can hide their mental presence as well.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...n015large20.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7459/xman01716.jpg

Photon mental protection.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...omTelepaths.jpg

Quasar mental protection.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/7606/quasar1318.jpg

Next Onslaught will cloak their presence.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4339/tnoticehim9ea.jpg

Photon will follow up, and reinforce their cloaking.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg

Shields
Photon shields can handle Nega Bomb Explosion.
http://h.imagehost.org/0914/Captain_Marvel_V2_01_08.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0495/Captain_Marvel_V2_01_16.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0404/Captain_Marvel_V2_01_19.jpg
http://a.imagehost.org/0297/Captain..._V2_01_2021.jpg

Quasar Shields can handle Nega Bomb Explosion.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...KreeGalaxy1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...KreeGalaxy2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...KreeGalaxy3.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...KreeGalaxy4.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...KreeGalaxy5.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...KreeGalaxy6.jpg

Onslaught Shield can handle Phoenix’s attack.
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/...nixblast7nn.jpg

Note: A small Nega Bomb could disrupt the time-space continuum for hundreds of sun cycles. Communication, warp travel, development…all would be severely compromised.


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Team id/King Kandy Part II.

quote:

id369 wrote on Dec 31st, 2009 05:04 PM:
Strategy
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The Trap


We know their team will attempt to apply their own means to cloak themselves. Our team is cosmically aware, psionically aware, or/and depend on instruments (Quantum Bands, Nega Bands) to locate our foes. And despite the fact, we know they will attempt to refute our means to track them.

So here is the back up. Quasar will program his Quantum Bands, so that the following constructs are made at the start of the match:

The Quantum Bands, will create a permanently invisible lattice energy, which will blanket the battleground.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...tectsGlobe1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...tectsGlobe2.jpg

And some permanently invisible satellites.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...-Starmaster.jpg
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/...nfinity1p04.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/...nfinity1p05.jpg

The Bait
A the start of the match Onslaught, & Photon will do the following for bait. We will use holograms, and psi constructs to draw them out. Onslaught created an elaborate construct of himself when he fought X-Men and Fantastic Four (Completely fooling them). We will make 3 (Onslaught, Genis-Vell, and Quasar). Photon will create an army of holograms/projections of our team.

The one on the floor, is a psi construct of Onslaught.
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2447/93168119.jpg

The real Onslaught, is right behind him.
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/8074/64782177.jpg

Genis-Vell creates an army of holograms/projections.
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/22...rvelv302115.jpg

The Hook
These constructs are keyed into our team, and act as receptors to key in any movements, temperament, or use of any form of energy other then our own. Reason for that is, if they so happen trip the alarm. The team will immediately respond by freezing immediate the area. We will do so by a applying a dimensional warp to hold them in captivity.

"FYI, that’s a spatial aperture between here and the negative zone that I just opened using my Nega-Bands. You’re kind of held in a stasis between the two dimensions." - Genis-Vell
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/...rvelv301412.jpg


==================================================
=====================

Final thoughts: Sleep Now In The Fire.


Despite putting up a web, satellite monitor, & constructs/projections. We depend on a big, and efficient Cosmic Awareness.

With our precognition, we know their next move before they think or act on it.
http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/...rvelv308p17.jpg
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/10...rvelv308p18.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/...rvelv308p19.jpg
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/75...rvelv308p20.jpg
http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/...rvelv308p21.jpg

Any attempts at placing their own traps, or cloaking would be futile. Cosmic Awareness grants Genis, & Team, complete knowledge of what is going around him.
http://i.imagehost.org/0533/AvengersForever05p09.jpg

Our Cosmic Awareness feeds information about Universe, and its innards. Thanks to it, we benefit from the fact that our team is catered to exploit their weaknesses. Earlier Photon shared/imbued the team with his powers. With it we can control any form of energy. Yet I will focus on how Team Untouchables specialty to apply weakness exploitation.

Martian Manhunter: High amount of iron is found in his blood, and is vary susceptible to Electromagnetic powers (as seen by Dr. Polaris). We count on Onslaught who is not only Magneto’s superior, but amped + Cosmically aware.

Dr. Polaris messes with the iron in his blood. (a Feat Onslaught can replicate)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/...olaris10ba4.jpg

Dr. Light imprisons him in a cage of fire. (a feat Photon can replicate)
http://img195.imagevenue.com/img.ph...2_122_165lo.jpg

Superman: Superman is susceptible to Photon manipulation, as in the case with Dr. Light or Dr. Polaris. The entire team can now manipulate not only light, but all forms of waves.
Dr. Light one shoots him. (A feat Photon can replicate)
http://img211.imagevenue.com/img.ph..._122_402lo.jpg#

Dr. Polaris drains him of his Solar energy (A feat Photon or Onslaught)
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/...uperman9md8.jpg
http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/88...perman10zj3.jpg

Green Lantern Hal: His constructs are useless. Electromagnetism messes with the GL‘s. Photon messes with constructs. The quantum bands, manipulates energy of anything within the electromagnetic spectrum.

Dr. Light takes over Kyle Constructs (A feat Photon can replicate)
http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.ph...2_122_218lo.jpg

Dr. Polaris takes control over Kyle’s ring (A feat Onslaught can replicate)
http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/...olaris10ba4.jpg

Keeping in mind, our key advantages. I would be surprised to know that we can be challenged. Unless they have a particularly clever plan that bypasses our shields, amps, and cosmic awareness.

Our message to Pr & Philosophía - "Surete".


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quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
Now. As to whether Superman and J'onn can use the rings, we present you with our arguments for that. First is Superman, and tbh, we only need one page for that, which is this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/pr1983/02.jpg

This is all you've got for Superman's GL skills? Please, he couldn't even tell if the ring was obscuring him or not, even though he's the one who made it do that. "Green Lantern told me it would work, but I sure can't tell if I did it right" isn't exactly what i'd call a skill showing. In fact, it's more like the showing of someone with absolutely no clue what he's doing.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
So now that's established, we move on to J'onn. Now, while J'onn doesn't have any feats of actually using a GL ring, one thing he does have is several feats of him showing insane willpower and overcoming his fears (of fire no less), which as we all know is the prerequisite for having a GL ring.

You recognize the skill to do complex things like your prep, is distinct from the actual ability to use the ring. One requires technical knowledge while the other requires willpower.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
Afterwards, we’ll have them do the following things:

Superman will set up the telepathic inhibitor,
(snip)
make an armour designed to filter the red sun radiation into the yellow one -similar to the one Russian Zod had- program the rings not to let kryptonite radiation through -the auto-shield blocks radiation on a daily basis, since travelling through space/suns etc would kill them instantly otherwise- also, here’s the ring’s energy directly manipulating radiation:
(snip)
increase his strength,

OK, this one blew me away... you're having mr "I can't tell if the ring can obscure my face" Superman building an incredibly intricate armor, with no proof that he even knows how to do it or has the capability to. I can see the scenario even now.

*As fight starts*
MM: You built the weakness countering armor, right?

Supes: Well, I think it counters weaknesses... but to be honest I can't even tell if this thing will withstand a small punch. At least i'm pretty sure this one will obscure my face... not a hundred percent, though.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
and, of course, the auto-shields will be further strenghtened - GL rings direct the energy twoards auto-shields to protect rookies from black holes:

Those rookies couldn't even figure out how to change their quto shield setting, and they have way more experience than "never used the ring" MM or "can't obscure his face" superman.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
Next one up is Martian Manhunter who will program the ring in order to alter his sensory perception twoards fire and to stop telepathic assaults, the same way Superman and Hal did. The rest of the power will be directed twoards the auto-shields protecting him. And just in case anyone is going to attempt to manipulate the surplus of iron in his blood, well:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ularControl.jpg

It's a simple matter of removing it, thereby making that so-called "weakness" non-existent. And in case you want an actual example rather than him just saying he can alter his molecular structure, well:

Do you have any proof that:

A. MM can "alter his sensory perception" like you said.

B. That he can function without the iron in his blood. I mean, obviously he has high iron content for a reason, and he never has just flat out removed anything necessary for survival and been fine. It's like saying he'll "remove" his arms, but still be just as effective.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
As soon as the fight starts, Martian Manhunter will attack Quasar, Superman will forcibly remove Onslaught from the battlefield either physically punching him:

Well, I doubt the Onslaught thing will work, but he's id's character so I won't debate there for now. As for Quasar, we showed him reacting easily to a blitzing SS so it's not like you'll get the drop on him. Given that you don't have any defense to the illusions, the time it takes for you to find us, we will have easily detected you and frozen you as described in our strategy.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by batdude123
and then physically attack and take down Genis. We’re far faster than either of our opponents so it’s no question that as soon as the bell rings, we’ll do the first move through Martian Manhunter

Once again, we are invisible and psi-shielded, and there are countless illusions everywhere, so you have no way of finding us. Meanwhile, we have every way of finding you, and you have made no effort to hide. Superman will be frozen just like MM was when he foolishly attacks nonexistent opponents.

The next bit is them just showing tons of ways to blitz our characters... who are invisible, armored, psi-shielded, and surrounded by powerful force fields.



In Summary:

Their prep simply does not match up against ours, at all.

They have planned a simple speedblitz tactic, while we have tailor made our team to be invincible to such assaults.

They have made no effort to locate us, while we are invisible.

They have run out against their opponents as soon as they see them, while we have surrounded the field with illusions and constructs that make a fool of such tactics.

They have had blatantly underwhelming ring users create complex tech against physical assault and weakness exploitation, while we froze them in space time bypassing such defenses.

They have planned on getting the jump on us, while all of our characters have precognition.

They have created complex constructs, while every member of our team has the power to take them over.

In summary, everything that could have gone wrong for them, has.


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Unofficial Post:

Because id's post where he stated this was edited, here's who's representing who:

Id: Onslaught
Kandy: Quasar
Both: Genis


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Id Post #1/5


Debating Priorities
Photon (Shared)
Onslaught (Id)
Quasar (King Kandy)


I would like to take a moment to admire Pr/Philo on their well put, and undeniable potent team. However I can not stress enough just how big of a mismatch this is in our favor. This is clearly the case if you compare prep, and strategies.

What makes matters worse; Tangent Superman, Dr. Light, and Dr. Polaris have laid out the blue print in how to beat their team. Quasar is not my debating priority, yet just Onslaught and Photon have the necessary ability to replicate any of their weakness exploitation.

Shall we recap.


Team Philo/Pr are gunning out for us, with blistering confidence thanks to some prep work. Few problems, besides being amped, and etc...

1) We are shielded with 3 different type of force fields. Each a magnitudes higher, then the permissible offensive output cap. Unless team Philo can unleash a Galaxy ending blows, those shields will not buckle. An equally important detail, Onslaughts shielding should keep anyone out even with phasing abilities, considering Kitty Pride failed to phase through them.



2) Our presence is cloaked, so we can stay off the radar. Let it be:

Superhuman individuals with.
His power prevents the ordinarily energy-acute senses of Black Bolt Lord of the Inhumans from noting his presence. - Narrator.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4339/tnoticehim9ea.jpg

Telepaths & Sensors
We’ve survived long enough because Photon has sounded us with a static shell that masks our presence from any sensors or telepaths - Song Bird.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...omTelepaths.jpg

Fascinating! Onslaughts “Gift” shields my psionic presence from the poor boy (X-Man). - Holocaust.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...n015large20.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7459/xman01716.jpg

Or technology
I wonder if he be capable of warping space so as to elude all detection of devices entirely until he’s in or very midst. When one is cosmically powered anything is possible. - Majestrix
It Certainly provides food for though - Photon
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg


===============================================

Attention Green Lanterns.

Let it be clear. Any Lantern (no Matter its color), are useless before our team. Team Untouchable can take control of any construct simply because it belongs to the light spectrum. Photon ability is at its named, he manipulates energy on a photonic level (Quantum level).

Team untouchable will disarm, and take control of those constructs only to them backfire.

He is taking the knight away from me, he’s controlling my ring creation. He changed it. It’s only suppose to respond to me. How he… - Kyle
Its all light boy. All mine to command or didn’t you think of that? - Dr. Light
http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.ph...2_122_218lo.jpg

quote:
Superman will set up the telepathic inhibitor,

We will have those inhibitors, disarmed.

quote:
make an armor designed to filter the red sun radiation into the yellow one -similar to the one Russian Zod had- program the rings not to let kryptonite radiation through -the auto-shield blocks radiation on a daily basis, since travelling through space/suns etc would kill them instantly otherwise- also, here’s the ring’s energy directly manipulating radiation:


Light is turning my own power back at me - Kyle
http://i799.photobucket.com/albums/...s/Kylelight.jpg


We will have those constructs reprogrammed. The armor will not serve to amply any physical stats or protect. And reverse its function. Filter Yellow sun light, into red sun radiation. Allow kryptonite radiation to pass through.

quote:

and, of course, the auto-shields will be further strenghtened - GL rings direct the energy twoards auto-shields to protect rookies from black holes:

Disarmed/dispersed.

quote:

increase his strength,

Disarm/Dispersed

quote:
Next one up is Martian Manhunter who will program the ring in order to alter his sensory perception twoards fire and to stop telepathic assaults, the same way Superman and Hal did. The rest of the power will be directed twoards the auto-shields protecting him. And just in case anyone is going to attempt to manipulate the surplus of iron in his blood, well:

Mental shields will be disarmed/dispersed.


Attention Green Lantern (continued)
With out the daunted psi inhibitors. Onslaught still has some neat options regarding those rings.

Blocks ability to activate a GL’s ring:
http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/5493/tangent2pf5.jpg

Or Forcibly pluck the ring from their hand.
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/3077/smgl1jj8.jpg
http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/7980/smgl2pc3.jpg

Superman
- Their team plans on getting up close, and personal with Onslaught. By the time he gets to him, Superman will be either ringless or/and de-powered. Onslaught would replicate the same feat he did to Juggernaut, only replace the Cyttorak Gem with Clarks heart.



Opposing Team
- With yet another Death of Superman, who can take out Genis considering he is armored, clocked, shielded, and amped?

Hal? He is ringless the constructs would take care of him. Let alone Photon.

Martian Manhunter? Genis would lift his TK field, by folding space, and rape him with EM powers. Kandy already mentioned it. Pr/Philo lone scan does not prove they can get rid off iron in the blood. No ring also equates to no mental protection, regarding fire. Photon could once again encase MM in flames.


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TheKahn and I have to come to the conclusion that the following...

"FYI, that’s a spatial aperture between here and the negative zone that I just opened using my Nega-Bands. You’re kind of held in a stasis between the two dimensions." - Genis-Vell
http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/...rvelv301412.jpg

... is a banned tactic. It's a clever loophole, but we decided to nix it.


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Hmm... our counterparts are MIA, at least for the moment, and I felt I might as well try to leave another post out as a little welcome gift. I also wanted to dispell any worries the banned tactic actually will hurt our plan. So, without further ado:

Team Id/Kandy Post #3

Throughout what little debate has been finished so far, there's one member of our team who's been getting a little bit less appreciation than the other two... That member is Quasar. Now, without further ado, here's why even without our spacial prison, our team still rapes you, with an emphasis on Quasar's role in all this.

First off, they are relying mostly on their GL armor in order to stop us from exploiting the massive weaknesses every single one of their team members have. That's all well and good, but i'm about to show why it's useless. Quasar can easily absorb any construct made of visible light (he can absorb anything, but visible light takes no effort at all), and it will only make him even stronger.

Can absorb living laser, a being made of solid light much like GL's construct:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ivingLaser2.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ivingLaser3.jpg

Capable of absorbing energy output beyond the GL's... here he absorbs almost all of Phoenix IIs energy in very short order:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...enixModred2.jpg

Can convert energy blasts into concussive force and send it right back at the opponent:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...enixModred6.jpg

Here he absorbs the energy of an entire star:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...bsorbsStar1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...bsorbsStar2.jpg

Can absorb all of Jack of Heart's energy extremely quickly:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ckofHearts3.jpg

Energy blasts pose no threat to him, not when he can just absorb them:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ckofHearts3.jpg

Absorbs power from four quantum band users, all wielding bands with power exactly equal to his... four herald-level characters cannot directly hurt him:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...tumbanders1.jpg

I don't have the scans on me right now, but later on he absorbs seven different living laser copies at the same time.

Mother of all absorbtion feats; here he absorbs Ego the Living Planet in his entirety (Silver Surfer tried earlier, and failed to do the same feat... Quasar's energy manipulation is>Surfers):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...orbsEgo6MS3.jpg



Those constructs? Not going to happen. We can easily take them over, absorb them, negate them, or bypass them. Then, we can get straight on to fire, red-sun, iron rip, taking over all of the rings (oh yeah, since their duplicates are also GL energy... those are ours as well).

Even if Quasar isn't around, everybody has a copy of Genis's powers, and Genis can do the same absorption:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...rumsbubbles.jpg

Meanwhile, we are completely, truly undetectable to our opponents... they have absolutely no means whatsoever of finding us, as the only things they can see are illusions, while the real us are undetectable and incapable of being harmed. Meanwhile while they attack empty constructs like idiots, we can track them no matter where they go via multiple tracking methods and cosmic awareness.

They want to believe they can get a jump on us with superior speed, but it's not going to happen, for two reasons:

1. They can't find anyone to attack who's actually there.

2. They do not have the speed advantage they claim they do.

Here are some speed feats, just to show:

Photon flies at multiple times the speed of light (all of our members have a copy of his powers and knowledge of how to use them):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ampedspeed1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ampedspeed2.jpg

Photon flies around Earth and sun while carrying a casual conversation... he's not even trying:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ndspacefast.jpg

Quasar, when not worried about damaging the atmosphere, comments that if he doesn't care about that he can easily match the lightspeed travel of living laser and proceeds to do so:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ivingLaser3.jpg


But, this is all really irrelevant, for the simple reason that... THEY CAN'T HURT US.

They can't even find us to even attempt to make an attack on us, between illusions, invisibility, and psychic cloaking that could fool X-Man. Should we choose to let them attack us, and reveal ourselves, they will have to get through shields that have resisted galaxy destroying force... all while we can silently siphon their energy like Quasar did to poor phoenix II, rendering them powerless.

Should we let down the shields, they are only going to hit armor so strong, silver surfer's blasts can't even make the wearer feel any pain.

They've made a lot out of their "anti-matter attack" (which they will never find a target for, but let's talk hypotheticals)... Genis can control anti-matter:

http://a.imagehost.org/0042/Avenger...gged_05_p10.jpg

Even without any shielding, Photon can survive a hit by a being 2x Galactus (our team all have Photon's powers):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...Omegasblast.jpg

And Quasar can likewise conjure simple effortless constructs, that can resist Galactus's attacks:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ctus1-FF522.jpg

Later on:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ctus4-FF522.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ctus5-FF522.jpg


In Summary:

There is absolutely no way in hell they have the slightest chance of penetrating the layers upon layers of shielding, nor even locating us to attempt to do so.

Any energy attack or construct they attempt can be absorbed or taken over by us.

Their offense doesn't work.

All three of our characters can exploit every weakness of all three of their characters. No matter who fights who, they lose. Not that any fight will take place. Rather, we will quickly depower and kill them, while they have no way of retaliating.

They just cannot match us, in any way.


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Team Post #1


Adresing the counter-arguments to our prep/other

I’m going to enjoy this.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Team Post #1

This is all you've got for Superman's GL skills? Please, he couldn't even tell if the ring was obscuring him or not, even though he's the one who made it do that. "Green Lantern told me it would work, but I sure can't tell if I did it right" isn't exactly what i'd call a skill showing. In fact, it's more like the showing of someone with absolutely no clue what he's doing.

Woah, hold on there. The fact that Superman didn’t know how how he looked from another person’s perspective means he sucks at using it and doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing ? Furthermore, in the next page, Hal makes it clear that Superman would be good with a ring and he knows it too. Superman was a powerless in this story, in case you didn’t know. So it’s basically him reciving the ring and effortlessly using it while what is considered the all-time best GL says he’d be good with and and he knows it.

“You’d be good with a ring, Clark. You know that. And with your powers gone…you need to stay in the game, stay on top of things”
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...upermanRing.jpg

Will shouldn’t really be a problem, since it’s a known fact that Superman has one of the strongest wills in the DCU.
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...upermanWill.jpg
“And he has stength of will in almost infinite amount!”Also, that’s quite the awesome scan.

Not only that, but Clark was one of the potential candidates for the sector of space Earth is in and, in an potential future, actually outwilled guy for control of the ring:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...twillingGuy.jpg

In a simulated alternate-reality using Kryptonian tehnology (the One Man JLA storyline) he actually experiences an alternate life where he lands on OA instead of Earth, and becomes the greatest Green Lantern of them all. So he actually has lived a whole life where he was a Green Lantern.
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...GreatestGL1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...GreatestGL2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...GreatestGL3.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...GreatestGL4.jpg

You should count yourselves lucky we didn’t actually start arguing Superman could do much, much more with a ring than the relativly simple things we’ve had him do in this match.
quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
You recognize the skill to do complex things like your prep, is distinct from the actual ability to use the ring. One requires technical knowledge while the other requires willpower.

The complexity of commanding the ring to enhance your auto-shields, to set-up a telepathy nullifier and to alter your perception twoards fire must surely be huge when using a ring that responds to your imagination and willpower! I’m sure that Marty or Hal must each make complex calculations in their head each time they teleport or space-warp, or the various scientifically complex things lanterns to day to day and it’s not like they just WILL the ring to do it!

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
OK, this one blew me away... you're having mr "I can't tell if the ring can obscure my face" Superman building an incredibly intricate armor, with no proof that he even knows how to do it or has the capability to. I can see the scenario even now.

*As fight starts*
MM: You built the weakness countering armor, right?
Supes: Well, I think it counters weaknesses... but to be honest I can't even tell if this thing will withstand a small punch. At least i'm pretty sure this one will obscure my face... not a hundred percent, though.

Building an armor that alters the wavelength of solar energy must, again, be a tremendous task for Superman, a proven scientific genius using an imagination and willpower based weapon, not only that, but also having faced an opponent who did the exact same thing. The same Superman who created a whole alternate reality in For Tomorrow or memorized the Miracle Machine in seconds and rebuilt it from scratch.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Those rookies couldn't even figure out how to change their quto shield setting, and they have way more experience than "never used the ring" MM or "can't obscure his face" superman.

The scans actually spells it out for you. They can’t override the ring’s commands because their survival is a priority, not because they “couldn’t figure it out”.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Do you have any proof that:

A. MM can "alter his sensory perception" like you said.

B. That he can function without the iron in his blood. I mean, obviously he has high iron content for a reason, and he never has just flat out removed anything necessary for survival and been fine. It's like saying he'll "remove" his arms, but still be just as effective.

It’s already proven that he is capable of handling the GL ring. To argue that he wouldn’t be able to will the ring in order to alter his perception of fire is asinine.

He has complete control over his body on a molecular level, he has turned himself into bone, he’s regenerated from this:
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/...lcano2om5qt.jpg
or a hand:
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7199/regrow28mx.jpg

And you’re asking me “but has he shown to be able to survive without ze iron ?!?!”. Nice.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
As for Quasar, we showed him reacting easily to a blitzing SS so it's not like you'll get the drop on him.

Randomly reacting to an attack from Surfer means that he is capable of handling speed on MM/Superman’s level ? Not only is that stance by itself illogical in this context but Quasar has proven time and time against that he is useless against anything resembling speed.

Makkari has blitzed him effortsley:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...itzesQuasar.jpg

This was Makkari before he even began focusing his energies for enhancing his speed, and he was far slower than either Superman/MM.

In fact, the issue before that blitz, he was stated to be moving at almost escape velocity, and Quasar still wasn’t fast enough to catch-up with him. He had to shoot him with an energy blast as the distance between them was increasing. And Makkari was travelling in a straight line aswell.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...QuasarSlow1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...QuasarSlow2.jpg

Then we have him being dragged by Makkari across the world, and his perception was nothing than a blur.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ceptionBlur.jpg

We also have Whizzer moving so fast he doesn’t even see him, who then speedblitzes him aswell:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...sarWhizzer1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...sarWhizzer2.jpg

Quasar being able to even know that he’s been attacked by MM/Superman is a stretch but saying that he’s fast enough to handle them is just flat-out preposterous.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by id369
1) We are shielded with 3 different type of force fields. Each a magnitudes higher, then the permissible offensive output cap. Unless team Philo can unleash a Galaxy ending blows, those shields will not buckle. An equally important detail, Onslaughts shielding should keep anyone out even with phasing abilities, considering Kitty Pride failed to phase through them.

Kitty Pride failing to phase through Onslaught’s shields, which we will need scan of, has absolutley no relevance twoards Martian Manhunter being unable to do so, since the methods employed are completely different. Furthermore, the fact that Quasar managed to stay alive while being a million and a half miles away against what was described as radiation, has absolutley no bearing on Superman physically destroying the shield.

To further show my point, Green Lanter’s shields have survived against Black Holes (rookies), have held Supernovas, have built structures capable of supporting entire planets (Heaven’s ladder) and, a direct and even more impressive display of power than the above, has actually stopped Galaxy destroying anti-matter assaults (I’m just going to use the scans ID uploaded, for the lulz ): (continued next post)


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Team Post #2


quote: (post)
Originally posted by id369
Green Lantern: The New Corps #2
Kyle creates a shield, to protect him and others from a massive antimatter wave that has effectively wiped out an entire solar system and more.

http://a.imagehost.org/view/0093/Gr...e_09_Image_0001
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0787/Gr...e_10_Image_0001
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0585/Gr...e_11_Image_0001
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0388/Gr...e_12_Image_0001


Here is the explanation of the Antimatter wave itself.
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0792/Gr...e_33_Image_0001
http://a.imagehost.org/view/0197/Gr...e_34_Image_0001


Not only has Superman waded through top-tier GLs that were directly focusing on stopping his assaults/containing him:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...hGLShields1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...hGLShields2.jpg

--

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...eConstruct1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...eConstruct2.jpg

But we also have Quasar, even with his strongest shields, being unable to withstand much punishment:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...hieldsFail1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...hieldsFail2.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...hieldsFail3.jpg

Even moreso, many of those attackers (including heavy-hitters like Gladiator) were actually illusions.

All of your shields are useless against phasing. Two of them have absolutley no defense against anti-matter, with Quasar’s specifically being useless against it. We also have a physically amped Superman blitzing the shit out of whatever’s left standing.

You can’t stop us. Furthermore, your whole plan is contradictory, but more on that in a bit.

And the feat you’re using, with Onslaught’s shield being able to withstand Phoenix’s assaults due to Magneto doing it, in case you didn’t know, that was a vastly depowered Jean. In fact, the writer flat-out stated that she’s about as powerfull as Storm, at that moment in time.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by id369
2) Our presence is cloaked, so we can stay off the radar. Let it be:

Superhuman individuals with.
His power prevents the ordinarily energy-acute senses of Black Bolt Lord of the Inhumans from noting his presence. - Narrator.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4339/tnoticehim9ea.jpg

There are two very important things you’re forgetting here. First and foremost, Onslaught isn’t Magneto. He may be more powerfull, but he doesn’t have his memories. You have absolutley no proof that he is capable of doing what Magneto did there, much less in the short time you have at hand. Second of all, our team has senses far superior to that of anyone Magneto has masked himself from. So it’s useless either way.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by id369
2) Telepaths & Sensors
We’ve survived long enough because Photon has sounded us with a static shell that masks our presence from any sensors or telepaths - Song Bird.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...omTelepaths.jpg

Fascinating! Onslaughts “Gift” shields my psionic presence from the poor boy (X-Man). - Holocaust.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...n015large20.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7459/xman01716.jpg

Or technology
I wonder if he be capable of warping space so as to elude all detection of devices entirely until he’s in or very midst. When one is cosmically powered anything is possible. - Majestrix
It Certainly provides food for though - Photon
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg

Without having feats to explicitly cloaking them from sensors above we are capable of, a random scan does in no way prove that it can do so. Illusions getting in the way ? Don’t be silly. Out team has senses and scanning capabilities that would allow us to easily bypass them.

Now let's clear up a bunch of mis-information.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Capable of absorbing energy output beyond the GL's... here he absorbs almost all of Phoenix IIs energy in very short order:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...enixModred2.jpg

Can convert energy blasts into concussive force and send it right back at the opponent:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...enixModred6.jpg

That display being equal to the raw power of a GL ring, much less 30, is unsupported. Not only that, but the second scan, makes it quite clear that he has a very hard time doing it. But I have to admit, almost destroying the British Isles is one hell of an impresive display of power.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Here he absorbs the energy of an entire star:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...bsorbsStar1.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...bsorbsStar2.jpg

Letting the energy of a nearby star flow through the Quantum bands and then releasing it in a big explosion isn’t the same thing to absorbing a star in its entirety.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Absorbs power from four quantum band users, all wielding bands with power exactly equal to his... four herald-level characters cannot directly hurt him:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...tumbanders1.jpg

Maybe because they’re all essentially having the same abilities and are neutralizing eachother ? Absorbing what is essentially his power is in no way impressive.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...QuasarLogic.jpg

Not to mention that he spent the entirety of the fight running away until he found a way to outsmart them.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Mother of all absorbtion feats; here he absorbs Ego the Living Planet in his entirety (Silver Surfer tried earlier, and failed to do the same feat... Quasar's energy manipulation is>Surfers):

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...orbsEgo6MS3.jpg

It’s made clear that the reason Quasar is able to do this feat is due to the different nature of the Quantum Power, compared to the PC, it being more adaptive.

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...tumAdaptive.jpg

Not only that, but even if we go out-of-context like you did, there’s a big leap from having him absorb more than Surfer can through Reed/Tony/Bruce’s machine, to him being better at energy manipulation. no expression

quote: (post)
Originally posted by King Kandy
Quasar, when not worried about damaging the atmosphere, comments that if he doesn't care about that he can easily match the lightspeed travel of living laser and proceeds to do so:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ivingLaser3.jpg

These random flying around at high-speed feats are irrelevant to actual combat-speed, which is non-existent while all of our team either has them it a level none from your team could even hope to react or perceive (Superman/Martian Manhunter) or enhanced enough to be faster than anyone else (Hal).

Not only was it made clear that Quasar’s flight speed is nowhere near-lightspeed, a major point was that he needed Quantum-Jumps, which he learned from Ego, in order to make interplantery distances. In fact, in the very issue from where your scan is, in the next page he quantum jumps to the moon:

http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...uantumJump1.jpg
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...uantumJump2.jpg

“Ah, nothing like a Quantum Jump to take a few off one’s travel time!”

It was also clearly stated that in order to Quantum Jump, he needed to be outside the atmosphere otherwise he’d damage the surroundings, and thus why in space he is much faster.

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And Quasar can likewise conjure simple effortless constructs, that can resist Galactus's attacks:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ctus1-FF522.jpg

Later on:

http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ctus4-FF522.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...ctus5-FF522.jpg


That would be nice, if not for the fact that Galactus was vastly weakened:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...tusHungry-1.jpg

And the fact that Johnny, while being a herald, did exactly the same thing moments later:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...pg?t=1262992493


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Ok...

First of all i want to apologise to everone who's had to wait for us to get our replies in. With our time zones clashing and many real life problems that have crept up this last week, it's been an absolute and utter pile of bollocks trying to find the time to post. Finally, though, i have a chance, so i'm here, and without further ado...

To start off, let's look at the parts of their prep that Philo hasn't touched on:

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id369 wrote on Jan 4th, 2010 08:37 PM:
1) Genis-Vell will share his power, and abilities with the rest of his team members as he did with Karl Coven. With the key difference that Genis-Will share greater portions of his power, given that Onslaught and Quasar are excellent batteries. Onslaught has shown to have absorbed both Franklin Richards and Nate Grey. Quasar has previously absorbed Ego‘s essence and power.

Here is the proof that Genis had previously shared his powers/abilities with Karl.
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/...arveliv1202.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...pideytobits.jpg
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...enmechanics.jpg
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/33...rveliv11p18.jpg

As easy as Genis grants thee, he takes it away. It goes to show how fast the processes works.
http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/...arveliv1220.jpg

Note: Keep in mind that sharing great portions of power, does not effect Genis-Vell in the slightest. Frankly he has too much of it, and can afford to give ample amount away to his team mates for two reasons.

The Nega Bands draw energy from a limitless source.
http://h.imagehost.org/0697/Captain_Marvel_V2_04_19.jpg

Genis-Vell vary being draws energy from the universe itself.
http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/...ts100page26.jpg

The point is he has ample amount of energy to spare, and will not weaken from sharing more of his power.
In trying to drain me….you tried to drain the living heart of the universe.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...4-vsMagus11.jpg


Oh really? Sadly, none of that is actually true, or is misrepresented to the EXTREME. I'm going to break it down.

1. First, i must state that this actual section as all performed by Insane Genis, and not Photon, or Captain Marvel. The same guy? I think not. Photon's (Yes, Photon, the MOST RECENT version of Genis) Cosmic Awareness was such that he couldn't tell the difference between past, present and future because of his ability to exist in all three at the same time.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...scriminate1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...scriminate2.jpg

Insane Genis had true omniversal CA that was beyond anything even someone like the Silver Surfer was capable of. Photon, on the other hand, DOESN'T. Genis needed time to focus as Photon to even BEGIN to explore his cosmic awareness. Like, actual physical time. Remember that please, judges, when you make your decision.

2. Did Genis share his powers with Karl Coven? Sure he did. What Id and Kandy left out, though, was that Coven himself was an ALIEN WITH UNSPECIFIED POWERS. It was never definitively shown just how much of an amp said power gave him. Said sharing of power, then, really doesn't mean a lot when you consider that the person he grants said powers to has no nega bands with which to manipulate said energies effectively. Did he have powers? Sure. Some pretty basic ones at that. and it has to be mentioned that the toughest people Coven took on were Rick Jones and Spider-Man. Not exactly world beaters. Though of course, yoou guys will argue that Quasar and Onslaught with said energies are much more dangerous than before. Which is true. The unfortunate thing is that they won't be dangerous enough, sadly.

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2) Genis-Vell will then make use of his Cosmic Awareness, and apply Omniversal Telepathy on his team. Genis does so to transfer his memories, and experience regarding the use of his power.

Genis-Vell’s control over his cosmic awareness is so acute, he can apply telepathy at an Omniversal scale.
http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/...erbolts1506.jpg

Here we see an example of Genis-Vell using his Cosmic Awareness, to show his memories.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/...lts018page1.jpg


See, now i'm confused. You said, id, that:

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Originally posted by id369
Noo…I said Photon can perform all his feats, including those when he was Captain Marvel or Legacy.

Not that he can outright end the universe. If he can, show me this universe ending attack so I can finalize his respect thread.

Omniversal Telepathy is just a poetic phrase to describe he is applying his Cosmic Awareness. Genis-Vell does not have telepathy to begin with.


So which is it?

Next:

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Now that the team can all apply Captain Marvel’s power, they will take a moment to amp their physical stats.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...hroughWall3.jpg


again, no nega bands, so... oh, and before you argue that Photon didn't need them, he'd internalised them, and was still able to use them. The nega bands were the primary reason Genis could use any powers in the first place. That's not going to work for your guys.

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Photon's "mental protection" did no more than hide their location from telepaths. He never withstood a direct telepathic assault.

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Photon will follow up, and reinforce their cloaking.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg


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Originally posted by King Kandy
They've made a lot out of their "anti-matter attack" (which they will never find a target for, but let's talk hypotheticals)... Genis can control anti-matter:

http://a.imagehost.org/0042/Avenger...gged_05_p10.jpg


i don't get it. control anti-matter for what? he got his ass handed to him in that scan. we know his powers require the channeling of anti-matter through the negative zone to produce shields and blasts. that's a given consciously manipulating it or absorbing it when it comes from another source, though? not so sure about that, and i've read his books.


Now, on to id's comments about how he can take the ring, magnetically manipulate it, telepathically stop us from using it, and the like. That would all be fine and dandy, if not for one definitive,

unmistakeable fact:

GL Rings can stop telepathic/psionic signals from penetrating auto shields. Magnetism is psionic. That's gone. Telepathy? Please. Telekinetically take it? Yeah, Hal aint John Stewart. Plus, he has ten of them. As do the other guys. Our telepathic/psionic inhibitors take care of all of that.

Though in case i haven't convinced you of that: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...demagnetise.jpg

All it takes is a stray thought. And given that our guys know that Onslaught has the powers of magneto, it's not going to be difficult for them to demagnetise themselves. Why? Because the ring can do "everything i command it to except kill" and even that is no longer an issue.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ingicommand.jpg

"Ring, demagnetise."

and boom. problem solved.

It's also worth noting that Doctor Polaris was actually CREATED to battle the Green Lantern in Hal's books. He has plenty of experience fighting the likes of him and those with similar powers. If you need any more proof, here's Hal taking on a Polaris whose power literally DWARFED that of the one that you guys were using as an example:

http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/2cc639ce.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/eafbbbc7.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/93cc96f2.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/8aeee62c.jpg
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums...n2/595613b9.jpg

so really, we'll be fine.

So you think you can pull a Doctor Light and manipulate our constructs? Really? Kind of hard seeing as GL energy isn't considered to be solely photonic energy anymore. You sure your guys can counter exotic, not exactly-photonic energy? I'd like to see it, honestly.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...powerenergy.jpg

also, Hal didn't seem to have much trouble containing Light here:

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/...o_/IMG_0003.jpg

It's worth noting that GL energy's nature was retconned by Johns when he started working on Rebirth, and Light's manipulations came from a time when GL constructs were considered to be nothing more than "hard light" and whatnot. GL energy is, simply put, Willpower itself condensed in to a form of energy and unleashed on our enemies. Nobody on your team has ever faced anything like that before. It's an entirely different spectrum:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...3/willpower.jpg

To make things clearer:

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Self-contradictory strategy:

I’d just like a moment for the judges to make a mental picture of their prep and in-battle tactics. They basically put up every strategy that they thought of, without actually thinking whether or not they’d actually work when meshed together.

Let’s see. They made it their top priority to hide from us, having each character put up shields, and various protections, including random illusions and hoping for the best. More on why this has no chance of working later. But, is their whole battle tactic to, outlive us, to get bored and leave ? No, they apparently want to drain our rings and exploit our weaknesses. While still trying to stay invisible to all sensors. Inside three shields. Yeah, the mind-boggling “We’ll just stand inside 3 shields and drain them somehow and they obviously won’t detect us” strategy. And the important and hilarious part ? Their whole invisible cloaking was resting on Onslaught doing the same thing Magneto did when he went on the moon but, like we pointed out, though he has Magneto’s powers he doesn’t have his memories, and thus them doing this is not going to happen. So basically, we’re going to locate them by just.. looking at them. And if they happen to be invisible, well, that will be adressed in a moment.

Why we’d win:

Why wouldn’t we ? We can easily get through their defenses, either by simply phasing through them (all 3 of us can do it), shooting anti-matter that is bound to take down at least two of their shields (Quasar has a specific weakness to this), or just plain use our speed and pound at them until they fall. With a physically amped Superman (Hal, a normal human, was able to knock Mongul out and rip Henshaw’s jaw apart, as we’ve shown, two Superman level opponents themselves) delivering thousands of punches, it won’t be a problem. Once there, we kick the crap out of them before they even realized we’ve breached their defenses. We’re faster. We’re stronger. We have protected ourselves against anything they can throw at us and have far better offensive options. We’re far too good in every category for them to be able to do anything, especially since there options at attacking us are non-applicable once in combat.

The other scenario, in which they don’t cowardly stay inside the field waiting for us to end them, is where they try to attack us, and thus leave themselves open. Guess what happens ? Well, they probably won’t know either, since chances are they’d be knocked out before it registers.

But are they really hidden ?

No, they aren’t. The ring is capable of scanning for beings, in this case telepaths, even when hidden at a subatomic level:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...micScanning.jpg

Superman can see your souls:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...nSoulVision.jpg

Or just focus enough until he can detect you:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...ionUniverse.jpg

He is capable of seeing the whole spectrum:
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8543/spectrumgb2.jpg

He can see down to microscopic levels and beyond:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/9256/svisionix2.jpg

Or just hear you, since he can actually hear the Multiverse:
http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/...nMultiverse.jpg

Among others.


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Originally posted by Philosophía
Woah, hold on there. The fact that Superman didn’t know how how he looked from another person’s perspective means he sucks at using it and doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing ? Furthermore, in the next page, Hal makes it clear that Superman would be good with a ring and he knows it too. Superman was a powerless in this story, in case you didn’t know. So it’s basically him reciving the ring and effortlessly using it while what is considered the all-time best GL says he’d be good with and and he knows it.

(snip)

You should count yourselves lucky we didn’t actually start arguing Superman could do much, much more with a ring than the relativly simple things we’ve had him do in this match.

Yes, I do consider the fact that he was obviously incapable of such acts as using a mirror, or covering his face, or just about anything less stupid than "GL said so", it does not offer great confidence. What if I showed a scan of Quasar making someone invisible and then saying "I think you're invisible, but I can't tell"... you would be all over me, because that would make it obvious he had no idea what he was doing. Ah, hypocrisy.

All these scans prove is that with proper training, superman could become a great GL, not that he can merely pick up the ring and automatically be on level with even not the best GLs. He'd need to be above John, as you implied, in order to be able to resist our anti-ring tricks. Of course, you never offered any evidence that it was John's lack of skill that enabled it to be stolen, either, so it's kind of a moot point since both are equally unsupported speculation.

At least it's better than your evidence of MM's GL skills (zero).
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Originally posted by Philosophía
The complexity of commanding the ring to enhance your auto-shields, to set-up a telepathy nullifier and to alter your perception twoards fire must surely be huge when using a ring that responds to your imagination and willpower! I’m sure that Marty or Hal must each make complex calculations in their head each time they teleport or space-warp, or the various scientifically complex things lanterns to day to day and it’s not like they just WILL the ring to do it!

Building an armor that alters the wavelength of solar energy must, again, be a tremendous task for Superman, a proven scientific genius using an imagination and willpower based weapon, not only that, but also having faced an opponent who did the exact same thing. The same Superman who created a whole alternate reality in For Tomorrow or memorized the Miracle Machine in seconds and rebuilt it from scratch.

So because he once saw a guy with armor, he automatically knows how to reproduce that armor from one brief fight? I don't see scans for any of your claims here, but at least he saw the miracle machine in it's entirety, it's not like he just saw a guy holding it once, and was instantly able to recreate it.

You are unable to show that superman knows how to make it, or that you can make it yourself. You might as well claim "we build a device that makes our opponents die instantly", for all the evidence you have here. At least that would be effective.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
The scans actually spells it out for you. They can’t override the ring’s commands because their survival is a priority, not because they “couldn’t figure it out”.

And the fact that they can't even override their rings natural setting is again, not inspiring great confidence in your plan. You don't even have evidence that it's possible to increase the auto shield in such a way.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
It’s already proven that he is capable of handling the GL ring. To argue that he wouldn’t be able to will the ring in order to alter his perception of fire is asinine.

Wait, it was proven that MM could handle a GL ring with any skill? No actually, all you proved is that he has a strong will. And you have posted not one shred of evidence that such a blatantly unqualified person (or even and expert, for that matter) could "alter their perception".

As well, you offering no evidence that he could do so but calling it "asinine" to doubt it, is a fallacy.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
He has complete control over his body on a molecular level, he has turned himself into bone, he’s regenerated from this:
(snip)

And you’re asking me “but has he shown to be able to survive without ze iron ?!?!”. Nice.

Yes, I am asking you if he's capable of surviving without the correct blood, and at the same level he otherwise would be. If it's so easy to overcome his weakness, then why on earth didn't he? Why does he even have iron-rich blood, if you're saying it has no impact whatsoever on his bodily functions? Once again you are throwing out sarcastic statements instead of actually addressing the issue.

Of course, that can be expected, because otherwise you'd have to admit that there is no evidence he can survive without iron.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Randomly reacting to an attack from Surfer means that he is capable of handling speed on MM/Superman’s level ? Not only is that stance by itself illogical in this context but Quasar has proven time and time against that he is useless against anything resembling speed.

(snip)

Quasar being able to even know that he’s been attacked by MM/Superman is a stretch but saying that he’s fast enough to handle them is just flat-out preposterous.

This might have been a point worth debating, except for the fact that he has Genis's power in addition to his own, and I have shown Genis's feats. I have also shown Quasar reacting to blitzes faster than the ones you have shown, so all you can do is post low showings. Not to mention, most of Quasar's low speed feats are the result of not being able to move as fast inside the atmosphere due to concern for the damage it would cause.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Kitty Pride failing to phase through Onslaught’s shields, which we will need scan of, has absolutley no relevance twoards Martian Manhunter being unable to do so, since the methods employed are completely different.

Prove that they are different. I know you carbon copied this tactic for Charlotte (bad manners to offer such advice, and even worse for you to accept it), but that doesn't excuse you from the task of actually supporting your statements. We showed Onslaught stopping phasing. What do you have?

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Furthermore, the fact that Quasar managed to stay alive while being a million and a half miles away against what was described as radiation, has absolutley no bearing on Superman physically destroying the shield.

Cool. On the other hand, Genis was at ground zero and survived the blast. And Quasar's powers are now supported by his. Nice try.


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Originally posted by Philosophía
That display being equal to the raw power of a GL ring, much less 30, is unsupported. Not only that, but the second scan, makes it quite clear that he has a very hard time doing it. But I have to admit, almost destroying the British Isles is one hell of an impresive display of power.

You're trying to say that your energy is greater than that of the Phoenix Force (which he almost completely absorbed)? Once again this is part of your long stream of replies where you claim the power shown in my scans is nothing compared to yours, but offer no evidence.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Letting the energy of a nearby star flow through the Quantum bands and then releasing it in a big explosion isn’t the same thing to absorbing a star in its entirety.

Didn't you see in the second scan where he says he's going to take ALL of the power in, and then release it?

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Originally posted by Philosophía
Maybe because they’re all essentially having the same abilities and are neutralizing eachother ? Absorbing what is essentially his power is in no way impressive.

Not to mention that he spent the entirety of the fight running away until he found a way to outsmart them.

He won the fight by outsmarting them... yes, that IS pretty much the only way you can beat four guys with power and skill equal to your own. Not to mention, he won in the end despite being outnumbered and overpowered.

Absorbing his power is quite impressive, considering it was four Quasars at once that he absorbed.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
It’s made clear that the reason Quasar is able to do this feat is due to the different nature of the Quantum Power, compared to the PC, it being more adaptive.

Not only that, but even if we go out-of-context like you did, there’s a big leap from having him absorb more than Surfer can through Reed/Tony/Bruce’s machine, to him being better at energy manipulation. no expression

All I claimed was that the feat shows him being better than Surfer at absorbing energy... even you admit, he was capable of absorbing more than surfer. And since both of them used the machine, Quasar>Surfer still, in that particular category.

I notice that you did not even address most of the feats I posted of absorption, including ones PROVING that he can absorb energy constructs (LL), and energy not of the EM spectrum (Jack, Presence, and others). I take it you're conceeding those ones, meaning my tactic would still be valid even if your complaints held water.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
These random flying around at high-speed feats are irrelevant to actual combat-speed, which is non-existent while all of our team either has them it a level none from your team could even hope to react or perceive (Superman/Martian Manhunter) or enhanced enough to be faster than anyone else (Hal).

Not only was it made clear that Quasar’s flight speed is nowhere near-lightspeed, a major point was that he needed Quantum-Jumps, which he learned from Ego, in order to make interplantery distances. In fact, in the very issue from where your scan is, in the next page he quantum jumps to the moon:

“Ah, nothing like a Quantum Jump to take a few off one’s travel time!”

It was also clearly stated that in order to Quantum Jump, he needed to be outside the atmosphere otherwise he’d damage the surroundings, and thus why in space he is much faster.

He needed to make a quantum jump to catch up to LL, who had gotten a head start, and he didn't know where he was... the fact still is, it was stated numerous times in the comic that he is faster outside the atmosphere, independent of quantum jumping which has similar restrictions, but is a distinct concept.

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Originally posted by Philosophía
That would be nice, if not for the fact that Galactus was vastly weakened:

And the fact that Johnny, while being a herald, did exactly the same thing moments later:

He was "vastly weakened"? No, he was just really hungry. Like he is in 99% of the comics he appears in, since Galactus doesn't do much when he isn't hungry. Quasar stacks up against Galactus, as he normally appears in comics. And that's a pretty great feat for Johnny as well. Not sure what the point in pointing out what a herald level torch could do is, but if he has a respect thread i'll add it there.



As an appendum, i'd like to address an unquoted argument: That we can't become invisible because of the Onslaught/Magneto thing. I won't debate that, because Onslaught isn't my character. But, all of these arguments didn't take into account Genis's ability to become invisible to all methods of detection, posted in a scan. So regardless, we can become invisible.


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Now, on to id's comments about how he can take the ring, magnetically manipulate it, telepathically stop us from using it, and the like. That would all be fine and dandy, if not for one definitive,

unmistakeable fact:

GL Rings can stop telepathic/psionic signals from penetrating auto shields. Magnetism is psionic. That's gone. Telepathy? Please. Telekinetically take it? Yeah, Hal aint John Stewart. Plus, he has ten of them. As do the other guys. Our telepathic/psionic inhibitors take care of all of that.

Psionic’s are not Electromagnetic or scans that actually state so. Otherwise we relay on the fact that, Onslaught power (Psi & EM) are distinctively labeled.


Your telepathic/psionic inhibitors are worth for shit, since they are disabled through photon manipulation. Your rings are equally useless as long as Onslaught wields his EM powers, regardless if you demagnetize them.

Did you tell them, I can enclose your ring in a Magnetic field, and render them useless? - Dr. Polaris
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/3729/pg26.jpg



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There are two very important things you’re forgetting here. First and foremost, Onslaught isn’t Magneto. He may be more powerfull, but he doesn’t have his memories. You have absolutley no proof that he is capable of doing what Magneto did there, much less in the short time you have at hand. Second of all, our team has senses far superior to that of anyone Magneto has masked himself from. So it’s useless either way.


Dear Mr. Hypocrite, if your going to attack the use of Magneto and Onslaughts feats. At the vary least try to make reference to Hals own. Instead of you know pulling up feats from other Green Lanterns.

Mkay Thnx friends turning I - Id

Onslaught can indeed make use of Magnetos feats. Onslaught retains Erick’s and Xaviers memories, thanks to being the love child of their conscious merging. That is why Xavier has a conversation with part of Magneto in him, recollecting about the past over current matters (after Xavier Mindwiped Mags).
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/1531/tr2o12.jpg
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3112/tr2o13.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3007/tr2o14.jpg


Lets say for the sake of argument, that its not enough. Don’t forget that at this point, Onslaught is making use of Photon Cosmic Awareness, which sums up a near omniscient understanding of how reality works. The universe feeds the team, the information needed to apply their powers (among other things).

So what exactly does Supes, and MM relay on, to pull what ever gls feats you fanboy’s can think off? I am just kidding I am sure you have a coherent explanation.

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Without having feats to explicitly cloaking them from sensors above we are capable of, a random scan does in no way prove that it can do so. Illusions getting in the way ? Don’t be silly. Out team has senses and scanning capabilities that would allow us to easily bypass them.

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Oh wow congratulations at saying a whole lot of nothing. The scans practically spoon feed, the fact that Genis headed strait towards Shi'ar, with the Shi'ar admitting they are unable to locate him despite being dead in their presence.

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/...rveliv04p10.jpg
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/...rveliv04p14.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/...rveliv04p15.jpg

Magneto waltz right into the Inhumans planet, strait into the royal palace undetected.
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/4339/tnoticehim9ea.jpg

That practically covers being cloaked from acute energy sensors, or high tech sensors. Hell we are applying the same cloaking method Brother Eye used, which DC Earth failed to perceive.

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Kitty Pride failing to phase through Onslaught’s shields, which we will need scan of, has absolutley no relevance twoards Martian Manhunter being unable to do so, since the methods employed are completely different.


Nice word play, but its lacking an actual explanation as to why Martian Manhunter would phase through the shields. Because I can assure you Kitty Pride, is not the only character who has failed to phase those shields. Vision can manipulate his molecular density, and has failed to do so. Moonstone’s “ghosting“, has failed as well. Magneto’s shields has kept teleporters out or in. Even photons fail to bypass the shields.

How about you be a good little boy, and come back with a response of how the shields will be breached. Because you sure as hell, don’t have dick to claim phasing would grant any successes.
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For the sake of argument, let say we are located, and the shields are breached before any weaknesses exploitation takes place. Logically a slug fest will take place. As you may know, Onslaught is physically amped, armored up, and has gained the full extant of Photon abilities. I does not matter who is matched with who, Onslaught is the clear victor.

The following is a reminder of what Onslaught can do solo.

Speed
Pr/Philo speed advantage is not so clear. Onslaught is raw psionic given form, he does not have human limitations. To make matters worse his powers are thought base, and Onslaught can keep up with characters moving at the speed of light or react to teleporters.

Onslaught can consciously keep up with light speedsters.
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Onslaught can react to teleportation.
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Strength/Raw Force
Juggernaut’s invulnerability can not prevent the beat down from Onslaught, Dr. Strange is completely amazed at the display of raw power.
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Durability
It took the combined might Heros Reborn Loki, Thor, Ironman, Enchantress, Fantastic Four, Wolverine, and Namor…to stagger him.
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/4196/or5dcp0013.jpg
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Raw Energy
A Surge of Magnetic Energy…intensified by an unimaginable telekinetic might. - Joseph
It was enough to smack down Thor, Rouge, The Thing, Joseph (Magneto Clone) etc…
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I would like to pick up on Pr’ comments concerning Photon first. While most would like to address Genis-Vell through incarnation, its still the same character with the same power set. The key difference between Photon and his earlier self’s is power. Photon is more powerful then before, and his Nega Bands have been absorbed into his body.

Proof of this is the fact that Genis-Vell official entry as “Photon” in the Databook never made any distinction to his powers even as Photon.
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Oh really? Sadly, none of that is actually true, or is misrepresented to the EXTREME. I'm going to break it down.

1. First, i must state that this actual section as all performed by Insane-Genis, and not Photon, or Captain Marvel. The same guy? I think not. Photon's (Yes, Photon, the MOST RECENT version of Genis) Cosmic Awareness was such that he couldn't tell the difference between past, present and future because of his ability to exist in all three at the same time.
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Pr you are on the right track, by identifying the root cause of to Photon being unfocused, or making improper use of his Cosmic Awareness.

Photon coexisting simultaneously across time, keeps Photon unfocused. However per rules sake, any form of time manipulation is banned. If the characters comes as so, he is stripped from it. That includes coexisting simultaneously across the time line.

Strait from Khan, regarding Photon and his past, present, future self dilemma.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5717/rulesif.jpg

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Insane Genis had true omniversal CA that was beyond anything even someone like the Silver Surfer was capable of. Photon, on the other hand, DOESN'T. Genis needed time to focus as Photon to even BEGIN to explore his cosmic awareness. Like, actual physical time. Remember that please, judges, when you make your decision.


False nowhere does it state in any comic issue sans insanity, that his Cosmic Awareness took a dive. In fact even as Thunderbotz his cosmic awareness still addresses him as near omniscient hence the infamous reference:

Cosmically aware, A universal, Omniversal, Telepath.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...salTelepath.jpg

The cause for his need to focus comes from coexisting simultaneously across the timeline (as you pointed out). The effect is Photon receiving cosmic awareness from his past, present, and future selfs. But this issue has already been dealt with if you read above. Khan and Batdude have eliminated any form of time manipulation. That includes coexisting across the timeline, Photon exists strictly in present time. With the root cause of his problem removed, Photon can operate at 100%.

The following is proof that, Photon needed to focus due to receiving incoming cosmic awareness across the timeline. Disproving the myth, that his cosmic awareness has weaken or lessen.

I can explain Melissa, but you wont like it. Genis-Vell continues to have trouble “tuning his cosmic awareness”. His is trying to differentiate between past, present, and future, because he can exist in all three simultaneously! - Dr. Chen
http://g.imagehost.org/0320/New_Thu...018_page_07.jpg

Even when we have been involved in life threatening actions…he has been distracted. His cosmic awareness is allowing him to see so much. - Dr. Chen
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2. Did Genis share his powers with Karl Coven? Sure he did. What Id and Kandy left out, though, was that Coven himself was an ALIEN WITH UNSPECIFIED POWERS.

I need to cut his quote, because all Pr saying is: “I concede to the fact that he can share his powers. But not to the full extant, and the team cant manipulate the powers properly with out the Nega Bands.”

So I will let his official bio do the talking for me, regarding the extant team ability to manifest Photon‘s powers. :
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/covencms.htm
Powers/Abilities: Coven's original powers are unknown. His alien physiology allowed him to survive lethal injections, and may have had an accelerated healing factor of some sort. It is unknown whether or not his alien physiology granted him any other powers or enhanced skills. After being given the power cosmic by Captain Marvel, Coven possessed incredible strength and energy manipulation powers to an unknown degree, as well as flight among other powers that go along with the power cosmic. For a very brief period of time, Coven possessed the full power of an insane Captain Marvel.


Pr is refuting that if the team gained, Genis powers. The team would need to relay heavily on the Nega Bands. Fact is Phyla-Vell no longer has her Nega Bands, and she is doing just fine regulating her powers.

Rouge did well with out the Nega Bands, despite absorbing Photon’s power through touch.
http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/...uchesGenis1.jpg



The truth is the Nega Bands help regulate energy, but are not necessarily needed. More so for our team, since they are excellent energy manipulators. Quasar, and Onslaught can tap into Photon limitless energy pipeline, as the situation demands to get the job done. Silver Surfer eat your scrubby metallic heart out.

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again, no nega bands, so... oh, and before you argue that Photon didn't need them, he'd internalised them, and was still able to use them. The nega bands were the primary reason Genis could use any powers in the first place. That's not going to work for your guys.

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The Nega Bands do nothing more then help Photon regulate, and control energy. Quasar relay on the Quantum Bands to do so. Onslaught can psionically control energy as well.

Heck, Ricky. I don’t even need “Nega-Bands” to control, and direct energy. - Karl Coven
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See, now i'm confused. You said, id, that:

I was wrong. Albeit conveniently incorrect. The data book confirms Genis has telepathy.

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Photon's "mental protection" did no more than hide their location from telepaths. He never withstood a direct telepathic assault.

And? Photon counts on Onslaughts mental shields. Photon own shield is more, or less a back up that double dips in hiding against telepaths and technology.

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So you think you can pull a Doctor Light and manipulate our constructs? Really? Kind of hard seeing as GL energy isn't considered to be solely photonic energy anymore. You sure your guys can counter exotic, not exactly-photonic energy? I'd like to see it, honestly.

Bla, blah, blah. Etc. etc.. etc..


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What a let down, I expected better from you Pr. Even by CURRENT times, photons can still manipulate Green Lanterns “Hard Light”.
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