Batdude and Kahn's Match #4: Team Pr/Philosophia vs. Team id/King Kandy
Martian Manhunter: Philosophia
Green Lantern (Hal Jordan): Pr
(I'd ask that id/King Kandy specify which characters will be used, and which one will be shared in their first posts of the match).
Location: Flooded Earth completely covered with water.
- Each team will have access to a "team lounge" measuring 15x15 meters with a couple of couches, satellite tv, refrigerator, washroom, and an assortment of snacks and drinks for 5 minutes prior to each fight where they can use their prep time. . No extending of that prep time via any means (ie speed force or time manipulation).
This is all you've got for Superman's GL skills? Please, he couldn't even tell if the ring was obscuring him or not, even though he's the one who made it do that. "Green Lantern told me it would work, but I sure can't tell if I did it right" isn't exactly what i'd call a skill showing. In fact, it's more like the showing of someone with absolutely no clue what he's doing.
You recognize the skill to do complex things like your prep, is distinct from the actual ability to use the ring. One requires technical knowledge while the other requires willpower.
OK, this one blew me away... you're having mr "I can't tell if the ring can obscure my face" Superman building an incredibly intricate armor, with no proof that he even knows how to do it or has the capability to. I can see the scenario even now.
*As fight starts*
MM: You built the weakness countering armor, right?
Supes: Well, I think it counters weaknesses... but to be honest I can't even tell if this thing will withstand a small punch. At least i'm pretty sure this one will obscure my face... not a hundred percent, though.
Those rookies couldn't even figure out how to change their quto shield setting, and they have way more experience than "never used the ring" MM or "can't obscure his face" superman.
Do you have any proof that:
A. MM can "alter his sensory perception" like you said.
B. That he can function without the iron in his blood. I mean, obviously he has high iron content for a reason, and he never has just flat out removed anything necessary for survival and been fine. It's like saying he'll "remove" his arms, but still be just as effective.
Well, I doubt the Onslaught thing will work, but he's id's character so I won't debate there for now. As for Quasar, we showed him reacting easily to a blitzing SS so it's not like you'll get the drop on him. Given that you don't have any defense to the illusions, the time it takes for you to find us, we will have easily detected you and frozen you as described in our strategy.
Once again, we are invisible and psi-shielded, and there are countless illusions everywhere, so you have no way of finding us. Meanwhile, we have every way of finding you, and you have made no effort to hide. Superman will be frozen just like MM was when he foolishly attacks nonexistent opponents.
The next bit is them just showing tons of ways to blitz our characters... who are invisible, armored, psi-shielded, and surrounded by powerful force fields.
Their prep simply does not match up against ours, at all.
They have planned a simple speedblitz tactic, while we have tailor made our team to be invincible to such assaults.
They have made no effort to locate us, while we are invisible.
They have run out against their opponents as soon as they see them, while we have surrounded the field with illusions and constructs that make a fool of such tactics.
They have had blatantly underwhelming ring users create complex tech against physical assault and weakness exploitation, while we froze them in space time bypassing such defenses.
They have planned on getting the jump on us, while all of our characters have precognition.
They have created complex constructs, while every member of our team has the power to take them over.
In summary, everything that could have gone wrong for them, has.
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I would like to take a moment to admire Pr/Philo on their well put, and undeniable potent team. However I can not stress enough just how big of a mismatch this is in our favor. This is clearly the case if you compare prep, and strategies.
What makes matters worse; Tangent Superman, Dr. Light, and Dr. Polaris have laid out the blue print in how to beat their team. Quasar is not my debating priority, yet just Onslaught and Photon have the necessary ability to replicate any of their weakness exploitation.
Shall we recap.
Team Philo/Pr are gunning out for us, with blistering confidence thanks to some prep work. Few problems, besides being amped, and etc...
1) We are shielded with 3 different type of force fields. Each a magnitudes higher, then the permissible offensive output cap. Unless team Philo can unleash a Galaxy ending blows, those shields will not buckle. An equally important detail, Onslaughts shielding should keep anyone out even with phasing abilities, considering Kitty Pride failed to phase through them.
2) Our presence is cloaked, so we can stay off the radar. Let it be:
I wonder if he be capable of warping space so as to elude all detection of devices entirely until he’s in or very midst. When one is cosmically powered anything is possible. - Majestrix
It Certainly provides food for though - Photon http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/.../4-vsShiAr3.jpg
Attention Green Lanterns.
Let it be clear. Any Lantern (no Matter its color), are useless before our team. Team Untouchable can take control of any construct simply because it belongs to the light spectrum. Photon ability is at its named, he manipulates energy on a photonic level (Quantum level).
Team untouchable will disarm, and take control of those constructs only to them backfire.
He is taking the knight away from me, he’s controlling my ring creation. He changed it. It’s only suppose to respond to me. How he… - Kyle
Its all light boy. All mine to command or didn’t you think of that? - Dr. Light http://img218.imagevenue.com/img.ph...2_122_218lo.jpg
We will have those constructs reprogrammed. The armor will not serve to amply any physical stats or protect. And reverse its function. Filter Yellow sun light, into red sun radiation. Allow kryptonite radiation to pass through.
Mental shields will be disarmed/dispersed.
Attention Green Lantern (continued)
With out the daunted psi inhibitors. Onslaught still has some neat options regarding those rings.
Opposing Team - With yet another Death of Superman, who can take out Genis considering he is armored, clocked, shielded, and amped?
Hal? He is ringless the constructs would take care of him. Let alone Photon.
Martian Manhunter? Genis would lift his TK field, by folding space, and rape him with EM powers. Kandy already mentioned it. Pr/Philo lone scan does not prove they can get rid off iron in the blood. No ring also equates to no mental protection, regarding fire. Photon could once again encase MM in flames.
Hmm... our counterparts are MIA, at least for the moment, and I felt I might as well try to leave another post out as a little welcome gift. I also wanted to dispell any worries the banned tactic actually will hurt our plan. So, without further ado:
Team Id/Kandy Post #3
Throughout what little debate has been finished so far, there's one member of our team who's been getting a little bit less appreciation than the other two... That member is Quasar. Now, without further ado, here's why even without our spacial prison, our team still rapes you, with an emphasis on Quasar's role in all this.
First off, they are relying mostly on their GL armor in order to stop us from exploiting the massive weaknesses every single one of their team members have. That's all well and good, but i'm about to show why it's useless. Quasar can easily absorb any construct made of visible light (he can absorb anything, but visible light takes no effort at all), and it will only make him even stronger.
Can absorb living laser, a being made of solid light much like GL's construct:
Those constructs? Not going to happen. We can easily take them over, absorb them, negate them, or bypass them. Then, we can get straight on to fire, red-sun, iron rip, taking over all of the rings (oh yeah, since their duplicates are also GL energy... those are ours as well).
Even if Quasar isn't around, everybody has a copy of Genis's powers, and Genis can do the same absorption:
Meanwhile, we are completely, truly undetectable to our opponents... they have absolutely no means whatsoever of finding us, as the only things they can see are illusions, while the real us are undetectable and incapable of being harmed. Meanwhile while they attack empty constructs like idiots, we can track them no matter where they go via multiple tracking methods and cosmic awareness.
They want to believe they can get a jump on us with superior speed, but it's not going to happen, for two reasons:
1. They can't find anyone to attack who's actually there.
2. They do not have the speed advantage they claim they do.
Here are some speed feats, just to show:
Photon flies at multiple times the speed of light (all of our members have a copy of his powers and knowledge of how to use them):
But, this is all really irrelevant, for the simple reason that... THEY CAN'T HURT US.
They can't even find us to even attempt to make an attack on us, between illusions, invisibility, and psychic cloaking that could fool X-Man. Should we choose to let them attack us, and reveal ourselves, they will have to get through shields that have resisted galaxy destroying force... all while we can silently siphon their energy like Quasar did to poor phoenix II, rendering them powerless.
Should we let down the shields, they are only going to hit armor so strong, silver surfer's blasts can't even make the wearer feel any pain.
They've made a lot out of their "anti-matter attack" (which they will never find a target for, but let's talk hypotheticals)... Genis can control anti-matter:
There is absolutely no way in hell they have the slightest chance of penetrating the layers upon layers of shielding, nor even locating us to attempt to do so.
Any energy attack or construct they attempt can be absorbed or taken over by us.
Their offense doesn't work.
All three of our characters can exploit every weakness of all three of their characters. No matter who fights who, they lose. Not that any fight will take place. Rather, we will quickly depower and kill them, while they have no way of retaliating.
Woah, hold on there. The fact that Superman didn’t know how how he looked from another person’s perspective means he sucks at using it and doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing ? Furthermore, in the next page, Hal makes it clear that Superman would be good with a ring and he knows it too. Superman was a powerless in this story, in case you didn’t know. So it’s basically him reciving the ring and effortlessly using it while what is considered the all-time best GL says he’d be good with and and he knows it.
You should count yourselves lucky we didn’t actually start arguing Superman could do much, much more with a ring than the relativly simple things we’ve had him do in this match.
The complexity of commanding the ring to enhance your auto-shields, to set-up a telepathy nullifier and to alter your perception twoards fire must surely be huge when using a ring that responds to your imagination and willpower! I’m sure that Marty or Hal must each make complex calculations in their head each time they teleport or space-warp, or the various scientifically complex things lanterns to day to day and it’s not like they just WILL the ring to do it!
Building an armor that alters the wavelength of solar energy must, again, be a tremendous task for Superman, a proven scientific genius using an imagination and willpower based weapon, not only that, but also having faced an opponent who did the exact same thing. The same Superman who created a whole alternate reality in For Tomorrow or memorized the Miracle Machine in seconds and rebuilt it from scratch.
The scans actually spells it out for you. They can’t override the ring’s commands because their survival is a priority, not because they “couldn’t figure it out”.
It’s already proven that he is capable of handling the GL ring. To argue that he wouldn’t be able to will the ring in order to alter his perception of fire is asinine.
And you’re asking me “but has he shown to be able to survive without ze iron ?!?!”. Nice.
Randomly reacting to an attack from Surfer means that he is capable of handling speed on MM/Superman’s level ? Not only is that stance by itself illogical in this context but Quasar has proven time and time against that he is useless against anything resembling speed.
This was Makkari before he even began focusing his energies for enhancing his speed, and he was far slower than either Superman/MM.
In fact, the issue before that blitz, he was stated to be moving at almost escape velocity, and Quasar still wasn’t fast enough to catch-up with him. He had to shoot him with an energy blast as the distance between them was increasing. And Makkari was travelling in a straight line aswell.
Quasar being able to even know that he’s been attacked by MM/Superman is a stretch but saying that he’s fast enough to handle them is just flat-out preposterous.
Kitty Pride failing to phase through Onslaught’s shields, which we will need scan of, has absolutley no relevance twoards Martian Manhunter being unable to do so, since the methods employed are completely different. Furthermore, the fact that Quasar managed to stay alive while being a million and a half miles away against what was described as radiation, has absolutley no bearing on Superman physically destroying the shield.
To further show my point, Green Lanter’s shields have survived against Black Holes (rookies), have held Supernovas, have built structures capable of supporting entire planets (Heaven’s ladder) and, a direct and even more impressive display of power than the above, has actually stopped Galaxy destroying anti-matter assaults (I’m just going to use the scans ID uploaded, for the lulz ): (continued next post)
“Perhaps this is the ultimate freedom. The freedom to leave.”
Even moreso, many of those attackers (including heavy-hitters like Gladiator) were actually illusions.
All of your shields are useless against phasing. Two of them have absolutley no defense against anti-matter, with Quasar’s specifically being useless against it. We also have a physically amped Superman blitzing the shit out of whatever’s left standing.
You can’t stop us. Furthermore, your whole plan is contradictory, but more on that in a bit.
And the feat you’re using, with Onslaught’s shield being able to withstand Phoenix’s assaults due to Magneto doing it, in case you didn’t know, that was a vastly depowered Jean. In fact, the writer flat-out stated that she’s about as powerfull as Storm, at that moment in time.
There are two very important things you’re forgetting here. First and foremost, Onslaught isn’t Magneto. He may be more powerfull, but he doesn’t have his memories. You have absolutley no proof that he is capable of doing what Magneto did there, much less in the short time you have at hand. Second of all, our team has senses far superior to that of anyone Magneto has masked himself from. So it’s useless either way.
Without having feats to explicitly cloaking them from sensors above we are capable of, a random scan does in no way prove that it can do so. Illusions getting in the way ? Don’t be silly. Out team has senses and scanning capabilities that would allow us to easily bypass them.
Now let's clear up a bunch of mis-information.
That display being equal to the raw power of a GL ring, much less 30, is unsupported. Not only that, but the second scan, makes it quite clear that he has a very hard time doing it. But I have to admit, almost destroying the British Isles is one hell of an impresive display of power.
Letting the energy of a nearby star flow through the Quantum bands and then releasing it in a big explosion isn’t the same thing to absorbing a star in its entirety.
Maybe because they’re all essentially having the same abilities and are neutralizing eachother ? Absorbing what is essentially his power is in no way impressive.
Not only that, but even if we go out-of-context like you did, there’s a big leap from having him absorb more than Surfer can through Reed/Tony/Bruce’s machine, to him being better at energy manipulation.
These random flying around at high-speed feats are irrelevant to actual combat-speed, which is non-existent while all of our team either has them it a level none from your team could even hope to react or perceive (Superman/Martian Manhunter) or enhanced enough to be faster than anyone else (Hal).
Not only was it made clear that Quasar’s flight speed is nowhere near-lightspeed, a major point was that he needed Quantum-Jumps, which he learned from Ego, in order to make interplantery distances. In fact, in the very issue from where your scan is, in the next page he quantum jumps to the moon:
First of all i want to apologise to everone who's had to wait for us to get our replies in. With our time zones clashing and many real life problems that have crept up this last week, it's been an absolute and utter pile of bollocks trying to find the time to post. Finally, though, i have a chance, so i'm here, and without further ado...
To start off, let's look at the parts of their prep that Philo hasn't touched on:
Oh really? Sadly, none of that is actually true, or is misrepresented to the EXTREME. I'm going to break it down.
1. First, i must state that this actual section as all performed by Insane Genis, and not Photon, or Captain Marvel. The same guy? I think not. Photon's (Yes, Photon, the MOST RECENT version of Genis) Cosmic Awareness was such that he couldn't tell the difference between past, present and future because of his ability to exist in all three at the same time.
Insane Genis had true omniversal CA that was beyond anything even someone like the Silver Surfer was capable of. Photon, on the other hand, DOESN'T. Genis needed time to focus as Photon to even BEGIN to explore his cosmic awareness. Like, actual physical time. Remember that please, judges, when you make your decision.
2. Did Genis share his powers with Karl Coven? Sure he did. What Id and Kandy left out, though, was that Coven himself was an ALIEN WITH UNSPECIFIED POWERS. It was never definitively shown just how much of an amp said power gave him. Said sharing of power, then, really doesn't mean a lot when you consider that the person he grants said powers to has no nega bands with which to manipulate said energies effectively. Did he have powers? Sure. Some pretty basic ones at that. and it has to be mentioned that the toughest people Coven took on were Rick Jones and Spider-Man. Not exactly world beaters. Though of course, yoou guys will argue that Quasar and Onslaught with said energies are much more dangerous than before. Which is true. The unfortunate thing is that they won't be dangerous enough, sadly.
See, now i'm confused. You said, id, that:
So which is it?
again, no nega bands, so... oh, and before you argue that Photon didn't need them, he'd internalised them, and was still able to use them. The nega bands were the primary reason Genis could use any powers in the first place. That's not going to work for your guys.
Photon's "mental protection" did no more than hide their location from telepaths. He never withstood a direct telepathic assault.
i don't get it. control anti-matter for what? he got his ass handed to him in that scan. we know his powers require the channeling of anti-matter through the negative zone to produce shields and blasts. that's a given consciously manipulating it or absorbing it when it comes from another source, though? not so sure about that, and i've read his books.
Now, on to id's comments about how he can take the ring, magnetically manipulate it, telepathically stop us from using it, and the like. That would all be fine and dandy, if not for one definitive,
GL Rings can stop telepathic/psionic signals from penetrating auto shields. Magnetism is psionic. That's gone. Telepathy? Please. Telekinetically take it? Yeah, Hal aint John Stewart. Plus, he has ten of them. As do the other guys. Our telepathic/psionic inhibitors take care of all of that.
All it takes is a stray thought. And given that our guys know that Onslaught has the powers of magneto, it's not going to be difficult for them to demagnetise themselves. Why? Because the ring can do "everything i command it to except kill" and even that is no longer an issue.
It's also worth noting that Doctor Polaris was actually CREATED to battle the Green Lantern in Hal's books. He has plenty of experience fighting the likes of him and those with similar powers. If you need any more proof, here's Hal taking on a Polaris whose power literally DWARFED that of the one that you guys were using as an example:
So you think you can pull a Doctor Light and manipulate our constructs? Really? Kind of hard seeing as GL energy isn't considered to be solely photonic energy anymore. You sure your guys can counter exotic, not exactly-photonic energy? I'd like to see it, honestly.
It's worth noting that GL energy's nature was retconned by Johns when he started working on Rebirth, and Light's manipulations came from a time when GL constructs were considered to be nothing more than "hard light" and whatnot. GL energy is, simply put, Willpower itself condensed in to a form of energy and unleashed on our enemies. Nobody on your team has ever faced anything like that before. It's an entirely different spectrum:
“Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction -- its essence -- has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all.”
I’d just like a moment for the judges to make a mental picture of their prep and in-battle tactics. They basically put up every strategy that they thought of, without actually thinking whether or not they’d actually work when meshed together.
Let’s see. They made it their top priority to hide from us, having each character put up shields, and various protections, including random illusions and hoping for the best. More on why this has no chance of working later. But, is their whole battle tactic to, outlive us, to get bored and leave ? No, they apparently want to drain our rings and exploit our weaknesses. While still trying to stay invisible to all sensors. Inside three shields. Yeah, the mind-boggling “We’ll just stand inside 3 shields and drain them somehow and they obviously won’t detect us” strategy. And the important and hilarious part ? Their whole invisible cloaking was resting on Onslaught doing the same thing Magneto did when he went on the moon but, like we pointed out, though he has Magneto’s powers he doesn’t have his memories, and thus them doing this is not going to happen. So basically, we’re going to locate them by just.. looking at them. And if they happen to be invisible, well, that will be adressed in a moment.
Why we’d win:
Why wouldn’t we ? We can easily get through their defenses, either by simply phasing through them (all 3 of us can do it), shooting anti-matter that is bound to take down at least two of their shields (Quasar has a specific weakness to this), or just plain use our speed and pound at them until they fall. With a physically amped Superman (Hal, a normal human, was able to knock Mongul out and rip Henshaw’s jaw apart, as we’ve shown, two Superman level opponents themselves) delivering thousands of punches, it won’t be a problem. Once there, we kick the crap out of them before they even realized we’ve breached their defenses. We’re faster. We’re stronger. We have protected ourselves against anything they can throw at us and have far better offensive options. We’re far too good in every category for them to be able to do anything, especially since there options at attacking us are non-applicable once in combat.
The other scenario, in which they don’t cowardly stay inside the field waiting for us to end them, is where they try to attack us, and thus leave themselves open. Guess what happens ? Well, they probably won’t know either, since chances are they’d be knocked out before it registers.
“Individual science fiction stories may seem as trivial as ever to the blinder critics and philosophers of today, but the core of science fiction -- its essence -- has become crucial to our salvation, if we are to be saved at all.”
Yes, I do consider the fact that he was obviously incapable of such acts as using a mirror, or covering his face, or just about anything less stupid than "GL said so", it does not offer great confidence. What if I showed a scan of Quasar making someone invisible and then saying "I think you're invisible, but I can't tell"... you would be all over me, because that would make it obvious he had no idea what he was doing. Ah, hypocrisy.
All these scans prove is that with proper training, superman could become a great GL, not that he can merely pick up the ring and automatically be on level with even not the best GLs. He'd need to be above John, as you implied, in order to be able to resist our anti-ring tricks. Of course, you never offered any evidence that it was John's lack of skill that enabled it to be stolen, either, so it's kind of a moot point since both are equally unsupported speculation.
At least it's better than your evidence of MM's GL skills (zero).
So because he once saw a guy with armor, he automatically knows how to reproduce that armor from one brief fight? I don't see scans for any of your claims here, but at least he saw the miracle machine in it's entirety, it's not like he just saw a guy holding it once, and was instantly able to recreate it.
You are unable to show that superman knows how to make it, or that you can make it yourself. You might as well claim "we build a device that makes our opponents die instantly", for all the evidence you have here. At least that would be effective.
And the fact that they can't even override their rings natural setting is again, not inspiring great confidence in your plan. You don't even have evidence that it's possible to increase the auto shield in such a way.
Wait, it was proven that MM could handle a GL ring with any skill? No actually, all you proved is that he has a strong will. And you have posted not one shred of evidence that such a blatantly unqualified person (or even and expert, for that matter) could "alter their perception".
As well, you offering no evidence that he could do so but calling it "asinine" to doubt it, is a fallacy.
Yes, I am asking you if he's capable of surviving without the correct blood, and at the same level he otherwise would be. If it's so easy to overcome his weakness, then why on earth didn't he? Why does he even have iron-rich blood, if you're saying it has no impact whatsoever on his bodily functions? Once again you are throwing out sarcastic statements instead of actually addressing the issue.
Of course, that can be expected, because otherwise you'd have to admit that there is no evidence he can survive without iron.
This might have been a point worth debating, except for the fact that he has Genis's power in addition to his own, and I have shown Genis's feats. I have also shown Quasar reacting to blitzes faster than the ones you have shown, so all you can do is post low showings. Not to mention, most of Quasar's low speed feats are the result of not being able to move as fast inside the atmosphere due to concern for the damage it would cause.
Prove that they are different. I know you carbon copied this tactic for Charlotte (bad manners to offer such advice, and even worse for you to accept it), but that doesn't excuse you from the task of actually supporting your statements. We showed Onslaught stopping phasing. What do you have?
Cool. On the other hand, Genis was at ground zero and survived the blast. And Quasar's powers are now supported by his. Nice try.
You're trying to say that your energy is greater than that of the Phoenix Force (which he almost completely absorbed)? Once again this is part of your long stream of replies where you claim the power shown in my scans is nothing compared to yours, but offer no evidence.
Didn't you see in the second scan where he says he's going to take ALL of the power in, and then release it?
He won the fight by outsmarting them... yes, that IS pretty much the only way you can beat four guys with power and skill equal to your own. Not to mention, he won in the end despite being outnumbered and overpowered.
Absorbing his power is quite impressive, considering it was four Quasars at once that he absorbed.
All I claimed was that the feat shows him being better than Surfer at absorbing energy... even you admit, he was capable of absorbing more than surfer. And since both of them used the machine, Quasar>Surfer still, in that particular category.
I notice that you did not even address most of the feats I posted of absorption, including ones PROVING that he can absorb energy constructs (LL), and energy not of the EM spectrum (Jack, Presence, and others). I take it you're conceeding those ones, meaning my tactic would still be valid even if your complaints held water.
He needed to make a quantum jump to catch up to LL, who had gotten a head start, and he didn't know where he was... the fact still is, it was stated numerous times in the comic that he is faster outside the atmosphere, independent of quantum jumping which has similar restrictions, but is a distinct concept.
He was "vastly weakened"? No, he was just really hungry. Like he is in 99% of the comics he appears in, since Galactus doesn't do much when he isn't hungry. Quasar stacks up against Galactus, as he normally appears in comics. And that's a pretty great feat for Johnny as well. Not sure what the point in pointing out what a herald level torch could do is, but if he has a respect thread i'll add it there.
As an appendum, i'd like to address an unquoted argument: That we can't become invisible because of the Onslaught/Magneto thing. I won't debate that, because Onslaught isn't my character. But, all of these arguments didn't take into account Genis's ability to become invisible to all methods of detection, posted in a scan. So regardless, we can become invisible.
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Psionic’s are not Electromagnetic or scans that actually state so. Otherwise we relay on the fact that, Onslaught power (Psi & EM) are distinctively labeled.
Your telepathic/psionic inhibitors are worth for shit, since they are disabled through photon manipulation. Your rings are equally useless as long as Onslaught wields his EM powers, regardless if you demagnetize them.
Dear Mr. Hypocrite, if your going to attack the use of Magneto and Onslaughts feats. At the vary least try to make reference to Hals own. Instead of you know pulling up feats from other Green Lanterns.
Lets say for the sake of argument, that its not enough. Don’t forget that at this point, Onslaught is making use of Photon Cosmic Awareness, which sums up a near omniscient understanding of how reality works. The universe feeds the team, the information needed to apply their powers (among other things).
So what exactly does Supes, and MM relay on, to pull what ever gls feats you fanboy’s can think off? I am just kidding I am sure you have a coherent explanation.
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Oh wow congratulations at saying a whole lot of nothing. The scans practically spoon feed, the fact that Genis headed strait towards Shi'ar, with the Shi'ar admitting they are unable to locate him despite being dead in their presence.
That practically covers being cloaked from acute energy sensors, or high tech sensors. Hell we are applying the same cloaking method Brother Eye used, which DC Earth failed to perceive.
Nice word play, but its lacking an actual explanation as to why Martian Manhunter would phase through the shields. Because I can assure you Kitty Pride, is not the only character who has failed to phase those shields. Vision can manipulate his molecular density, and has failed to do so. Moonstone’s “ghosting“, has failed as well. Magneto’s shields has kept teleporters out or in. Even photons fail to bypass the shields.
How about you be a good little boy, and come back with a response of how the shields will be breached. Because you sure as hell, don’t have dick to claim phasing would grant any successes.
For the sake of argument, let say we are located, and the shields are breached before any weaknesses exploitation takes place. Logically a slug fest will take place. As you may know, Onslaught is physically amped, armored up, and has gained the full extant of Photon abilities. I does not matter who is matched with who, Onslaught is the clear victor.
The following is a reminder of what Onslaught can do solo.
Pr/Philo speed advantage is not so clear. Onslaught is raw psionic given form, he does not have human limitations. To make matters worse his powers are thought base, and Onslaught can keep up with characters moving at the speed of light or react to teleporters.
I would like to pick up on Pr’ comments concerning Photon first. While most would like to address Genis-Vell through incarnation, its still the same character with the same power set. The key difference between Photon and his earlier self’s is power. Photon is more powerful then before, and his Nega Bands have been absorbed into his body.
Pr you are on the right track, by identifying the root cause of to Photon being unfocused, or making improper use of his Cosmic Awareness.
Photon coexisting simultaneously across time, keeps Photon unfocused. However per rules sake, any form of time manipulation is banned. If the characters comes as so, he is stripped from it. That includes coexisting simultaneously across the time line.
False nowhere does it state in any comic issue sans insanity, that his Cosmic Awareness took a dive. In fact even as Thunderbotz his cosmic awareness still addresses him as near omniscient hence the infamous reference:
The cause for his need to focus comes from coexisting simultaneously across the timeline (as you pointed out). The effect is Photon receiving cosmic awareness from his past, present, and future selfs. But this issue has already been dealt with if you read above. Khan and Batdude have eliminated any form of time manipulation. That includes coexisting across the timeline, Photon exists strictly in present time. With the root cause of his problem removed, Photon can operate at 100%.
The following is proof that, Photon needed to focus due to receiving incoming cosmic awareness across the timeline. Disproving the myth, that his cosmic awareness has weaken or lessen.
I can explain Melissa, but you wont like it. Genis-Vell continues to have trouble “tuning his cosmic awareness”. His is trying to differentiate between past, present, and future, because he can exist in all three simultaneously! - Dr. Chen http://g.imagehost.org/0320/New_Thu...018_page_07.jpg
I need to cut his quote, because all Pr saying is: “I concede to the fact that he can share his powers. But not to the full extant, and the team cant manipulate the powers properly with out the Nega Bands.”
So I will let his official bio do the talking for me, regarding the extant team ability to manifest Photon‘s powers. : http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/covencms.htm
Powers/Abilities: Coven's original powers are unknown. His alien physiology allowed him to survive lethal injections, and may have had an accelerated healing factor of some sort. It is unknown whether or not his alien physiology granted him any other powers or enhanced skills. After being given the power cosmic by Captain Marvel, Coven possessed incredible strength and energy manipulation powers to an unknown degree, as well as flight among other powers that go along with the power cosmic. For a very brief period of time, Coven possessed the full power of an insane Captain Marvel.
Pr is refuting that if the team gained, Genis powers. The team would need to relay heavily on the Nega Bands. Fact is Phyla-Vell no longer has her Nega Bands, and she is doing just fine regulating her powers.
The truth is the Nega Bands help regulate energy, but are not necessarily needed. More so for our team, since they are excellent energy manipulators. Quasar, and Onslaught can tap into Photon limitless energy pipeline, as the situation demands to get the job done. Silver Surfer eat your scrubby metallic heart out.
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The Nega Bands do nothing more then help Photon regulate, and control energy. Quasar relay on the Quantum Bands to do so. Onslaught can psionically control energy as well.