INNNNN THE RED CORNER, FRESH FROM HIS DEBUT, WEIGHING IN AT 120 KHERUBIM POUNDS, IT'S MR MIND WITH HUNTER ZOOM AND MR MAJESTIC WITH CREATION BLADES!!!!
ANNNND IN THE BLUE CORNER, FRESH FROM TAKING HIS MEDS, WEIGHING IN AT 985 GECKS, ITS ONE BIG BRANLOR ANVIL, WITH THOR AND COMPOSITE HULK (NO WB)!!!!!
Full capacity. No CIS. PIS is, always, off.
Fight takes place in Dubai, standard 0.5km between our proud combatants.
1 OP and 2 posts for each candidate
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Post 2- Part 1
Yet after all this wank none of the showings suggest they can survive the initial blitze. How they gonna unleash “multiversal attacks” you claimed before they die? They don’t have Flash’s atto-1×10−18 of a second reaction speed. Zoom is so fast his speed reach close to infinity from the get go.
You have to be absolutely insane to believe Thor and Hulk are multiversal who can punch through time dimension and stop time like Bran suggested. Even the combo of Carver, Rage , Celey on bath salt is not that asinine. This is RW Omniversal Sentry shit
Now I think Bran’s evil plan of wanting words limit rule is pure genius, if I quote all the false he said + debunk on all the scans + presenting my case, I’ll guarantee exceed the words limit by twice. Well guess what he succeeded
I only ask the judges to not look at Bran’s description of the feat which is wildly inaccurate and blow out of proportions. But actually click the link and look at the scan yourself. Nothing he says is what actually happened. The amount of red herring scans spam…instead of explaining the scans in CONTEXT like I did.
ABC LOGIC
abc logic, for Bran it’s abcd logic, A (Hulk) has fought B (random), and B rival with C, and did you know that C has brief interaction with D one time where D has a ambiguous feat that can be interpreted as MULTIVERSAL, HULK MULTIVERSAL Confirmed.
If being objective is not our goal here, I can play the same game
Zoom easily shown superiority to Barry, Barry beaten Anti-Monitor and destroyed Anti Matter canon, https://imgur.com/rfY7YpL https://imgur.com/a/AsCeVW7
AM was close to destroy the entire DC pre-crisis infinite universes, He pact the power of postive multiverse and anti-matter multiverse, a megaversal being.
Zoom has knocked out Superman and WW https://imgur.com/a/EwGlCrb
One has vibrated the omniverse and lifted infinity https://imgur.com/a/ouhfPAu
The other deflected trillions upon trillions of God shards traveled throughout universe https://imgur.com/a/NiqMQ
That mean Zoom is centillion 1 x 10^303 light speed omniversal POWA herp derp>>>multiversal Hulk
Majestic was able to cut the hand of freaking Godhood Tao who was a multiversal reality warper. https://imgur.com/j7dNMrY
Captain Atom already got the void signature in their encounter, the same Captain Atom that restarted the wildstorm multiverse https://imgur.com/6Yz4YsH
In the same arc wildstorm confirmed multiverse again https://imgur.com/26ka4yg (please log in to view the image)
Captain Atom with void power also killed Jenny Quantum who was a Franklin level reality warper. and Majestic did better than Jenny
So in conclusion Captain Atom with Void Power, Tao, or Anti-Monitor> anyone Thor and Hulk ever faced
So even if you wanna play the abc logic wanking game, marvel team is hopelessly outmatched
But See the logical fallacy here? That’s what you been doing
Now back to being objective, I hope you can do the same, though doubt it
Debunk- only got space to pick some and keep it short
THOR DEBUNK
Midgard serpent didn’t wrap the earth in normal space, he went to the void to do it. It was in it’s ETHEREAL FORM. This is a non feat for Thor https://imgur.com/UNAnWXv
And space time are not the same in the void, https://imgur.com/yYdW9cx
This is the real size of the Serpent wrapping around a tree https://imgur.com/a/jgZoN4h
You have to be on crack to believe this feat is planetary+
The unknown size Prison was flew away by the Hammer alone, it was not a strength feat or battle feat
The scans show BRB and Thor throws their hammer to the portal nothing more
you gotta be retarded to think War Thor was universe busting because he lips service “I’m gonna smite entire realm to oblivion”
These feats are Thunderstrike, Dargo and Jane, nothing to do with Odinson
If you mean Odin unharmed then drop Thor’s hammer with a whisper then yes
You mean Thor and Hype get the utter shit kicked out of them then die? They didn’t kill a single beyonder
Freaking Planetary level Starbrand killed a beyonder, abyss and ex nihilo killed another
The fourth host and the ones that split universe to multiverse are different celestials.
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Not to mention they are cosmic jobbers, Susan Storm killed Exitar, took Exitar thousands years power to kill single watcher. Billions of celestials got killed by Godkiller armor etc
Void wanted to die, and Thor was amped by norn stones
Depowered MM you mean
Hulk Debunk
Second pic was in incredible hulk annual 2001, thor was dazed and came back won that fight,
Random enchanted hammer does not equal mjolnir. They are making more hammers than toyota camry in the new Thor run.
LOL? From the scan Hulk pulled off a wall....that’s it
LOL you post random internet reply as evidence now?
No, he held two earths apart
What you mean Hulk powers up? From the scan I can only gather he was holding the device in place that’s it
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go read longshot saves the marvel universe and you’ll find out what actually happened
Gladiator is only fast in hyperspace.in combat he got owned by gambit and corsair, got hurt by deathbird, Colossus , Cannonball and freaking captain america have given him a good fight.
And reacting to Quicksilver is nothing, quicksilver isn’t even close to lightspeed, the slowest flash Jay Garrick is lightspeed. Northstar is around Jay’s level.
Thor’s travel speed don’t matter in fight
Yeah...I’m sure Thor is not talking exaggeration here...lol the guy he fought match the speed of the great Balder eh? Sooo fast
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No PIS and CIS here hello… Zoom has taken Wally’s hardest punches, and Wally’s IMP hit with the force of a freaking white dwarf star
Oh god you did not bring up the sun, Mangog who destroyed Asgard including Odin, was killed by sun. Mjolnir was destroyed by sun. New issue of Aaron confirmed Thor cannot stay in Sun for long.
The most dangerous weapon aka creation blades impaled Tao, so he couldn't access his full powers, barely able to speak and stand until swords were removed. Adamantium is a joke compare to the blades https://imgur.com/a/xTYrl87
Good thing that’s not Zoom’s power, Zoom only manipulate his own time frame
Hulk Speed
I’m not gonna bother go through hulk history, since I’m not gonna lowball I’ll pick composite hulk strongest form WWHulk, this is Hulk at his peak performance and he’s still slow. hulk was getting hit by every named heroes lol, from class 100 to street levelers, I mean when beast can land hits on you I got some bad news. Hulk had durability to take the damage then, but comparin to who he’s facing now pffft.
WWHulk and Sentry fight going all out didn’t even destroy manhattan. Zoom and Wally’s fight covered every inch of the earth in less than a second. The scale isn’t even in the same ballpark.
Keep in mind all this is in one arc, you can pick any other arcs too there are millions of instances of Hulk getting hit, every fight he’s in he will take hits from opponents.
Wolverine cuts him again, this is old news, Logan has done it way too many times in history https://imgur.com/a/jpEdeNg
See his fight with Juggy or She-Hulk, notice Hulk fight is basically taking a hit then throw a punch, he gets punched more than nate diaz lmao https://imgur.com/a/xHRqjJx
Majestic Strength
He has better quantifiable feats than both Thor and Hulk, in fact it’s not even close
First he pushed earth and star ignot https://imgur.com/a/4xay7
Then he moved mercury, the moon https://imgur.com/a/CHVpk https://imgur.com/a/JJvoF
Finally he rearrange all 9 planets in the solar system “they were successfully moving the 9 planets” Noted gloves were there only to prevent planets from breaking under their own weight https://imgur.com/a/HTRjJo1
Jupiter is 318 times mass of Earth! Saturn is 95 times mass of earth...
He has strength feats that rival the highest caliber, aka close to Superman
Marvel’s team best quantifiable strength feat is Hulk using aid from a pair of "experimental anti-magnetic, jet-propelled, fortified rocket springs" help launching him in the air to destroy asteroid twice the size of earth. Not even close to the ballpark of moving Jupiter. And that’s Hulk’s best quality his strength getting hopelessly outmatched.
Or better yet, struggling with a mountain lmao in Secret Wars, strongest one there is huh (please log in to view the image)
You might say if Zoom is so powerful why does he lose? Other than being a villain, his PIS and CIS. He always try to play with his food, he does not want to kill the people he fought most of the time, he wants to make them better (stated too many times)
Blitzes cheetah who’s a light speedster https://imgur.com/a/Gmg3SSC
Here it is the famous Zoom punches harder than superman, now WW is just comparin fight with Zoom to fight with Superman, and Supes usually pulls his punches with WW, but Zoom wasn’t going all out either so you can estimate both are around the same strength level (please log in to view the image)
Kicks WW’s ass from Paris to Egypt to China to Themyscira, notice talking about wanting WW to be better, him toyin with them and not go for the kill was always his downfall https://imgur.com/a/JbzOyQV
However PIS and CIS are not factors here
Zoom was not affected by flashpoint because he was taken to 25th century by Thawne, where he remained unaffected by the changes to the timeline. Post flashpoint Zoom is the same character as Pre 52 all his feats count
Let's preface this entire post with what our friend MrMind has said:
"How I will win this battle, by SPEED. Hulk is a grounded brick and Thor has always lack in combat speed. This battle is FULL CAPACITY and CIS OFF. Which means marvel team will not get a chance to react."
Which means he abides by the characters fighting to their absolute limits and with CIS off. We see evidence of this in him using Flash memes of attoseconds, and pretty much every high feat of Flash he could think of at the time of writing, including a fan calculation of a feat that was stated on panel to be short of lightspeed: http://tinyurl.com/y6ppujmz
You'll notice he cropped this scan out to fool every onlooker. Very sneaky stuff. You can't trust him.
But anyway, the main point is, his own words are a mark of hypocrisy. He argues his characters get access to their full range of powers and feats, yet continuously lowballs my characters for whatever reason. Characters who notably hold back on Earth for fear of killing everyone: http://tinyurl.com/y4k2rqjf
He argues full capacity, and then promptly seeks to lowball my characters (who notably hold back)? How does this make sense? Practice what you preach good friend, because this is in bad taste. The best example is when he uses Hulk catching a mountain with no rage as a lowball feat, when he himself has agreed to a composite Hulk/full capacity. Lesser Hulks have better feats than that. http://tinyurl.com/y3m8cxpb http://tinyurl.com/y3u2zyl6 http://tinyurl.com/y5w64vs7
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ABC Logic
Again, he rears his hypocrisy here. His entire part of Zoom is predicated on Flash's speed. As I've shown in my OP, Zoom has never traveled many times the speed of light. He also cherrypicks a scan out that says he hits as hard as Superman, yet it says he's traveling at lightspeed in the same page. The context of course, is that Zoom not only failed to knock out a blind Wonder Woman - which means every punch he landed was essentially a cheapshot as she had no indication when any punch was coming - but he actually lost to her too. We also see him acting like Flash was hitting Zoom with the mass of a white dwarf star, when that was never stated in the battle. Again, ABC logic. See how fast he shifts into calling me out, and then going into his own ABC logic with zero tonal shift though. His entire argument is based on ABC logic; yet, he has the gull to be a hypocrite.
The most notable example however, is his attosecond scan. Something only applicable to a DIFFERENT Flash that appeared well over a decade later, and that's a case of CAN, not ALL THE TIME.
So far he has essentially admitted that all the low feats of my characters should be thrown out, and all of his feats from other characters shouldn't be used to build a basis. That's not what I'm saying keep in mind, that's straight from the horses mouth. He is simultaneously destroying his own arguments while pretending I should fall under the same guidelines as his belief system.
Not only, but he also admits that Zoom is vastly faster than Mr Majestic
"You think Majestic is impressive? now ….We are moving on to Hunter Zoom’s speed. Holy shit"
Which means all I have to do is cast doubt on Zoom's speed in his own words here to win. These are his words ladies and gentleman. He's made it so easy.
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Speed
As I've shown before, Zoom in the arc he's using hovered around lightspeed. In fact, even in the scans MrMind was using, an "amped" Flash raising his speed to lightspeed was able to see Zoom. Which means he wasn't traveling trillions of times faster than light like my opponent would have you believe.
His own link: https://imgur.com/a/kN71H0q
A far cry from attoseconds like the Flash meme would have you believe.
100 thousand miles a second is enough to make up the distance between Flash and Zoom. Which means we aren't talking about millions or trillions of times light, we are talking about less than 2 times light at best for Zoom. http://imgur.com/gallery/FEnuNyA
He disregards proof of me showing Quicksilver is faster than light in his rebuttal with a simple handwave and no proof to the contrary. Yet he makes up proof in the case of Zoom. Thor has better speed feats than this, and has showings where he tagged similar speedy characters.
What he however didn't address in the least, is Gladiator crossing a galaxy in an eyeblink in combat. For the mathheads out there, we'll calculate this feat:
Say 52850 light years in 300 milliseconds, or 1 second we'll say here
That is 4.99988926 × 10^20 m/s
Which is 499.98 quintillion miles per second
To quote your fan calculation of a speed actually stated to be slower than the speed of light (Gladiator has no such limitations): https://imgur.com/bhihLUl
Gladiator is 199.99 times faster than Flash's fastest calculated feat ever. Thanks for the calculations.
Here's Thor and Gladiator reacting to him, along with the feat again because you ignored it. This is also impressive because Heimdall is far lower than both Thor/Hulk and he tanked it. Yet we only need lightspeed according to Zoom/Wonder Woman to hit as hard as Superman per his scan. You'll notice a few of these are Thor spinning around quick enough to attack mid blitz too, which makes his speed even greater as he is capable of reacting after being caught unaware: http://tinyurl.com/y5urom7u http://tinyurl.com/yy9tqlsv
Along with what else I showed/you arguing full capacity, Thor and Hulk are reacting to anyone here, and this is a composite Hulk as well, not simply "slow" Savage Hulk. You agreed to this, and you saw me using a Hulk with literal superspeed.
He presented a scene where Zoom knocks out Superman and the League numerous times. What he neglected to mention, is that Zoom had the Strength Force and the Sage Force in this scene. http://imgur.com/a/DBqDJTt
These amps were never agreed upon, and they came out of nowhere. This would be like me using Odinforce feats. Very embarrassing for MrMind to lie to the judges again. I say this not just for the sake of saying it, but I simply do not have the space necessary to cover all his lies and misinterpretations, so unless he provides scans, you have to take everything he says with a grain of salt. This was supposed to be a serious and honest, but most of all fun debate; and he is making a mockery of it all. I am good boy.
Rebutthole
Since I do not have the space to respond to everything, I will only try to answer the points he brought up without handwaving or posting a laughing gif. Remember, he posted this in response to literal scans, and he has a bad track record in 3 posts.
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Tao did not have full access to the Creation Engine at the time (he gets it immediately after), and therefore Max's powers. Here's your scan: https://imgur.com/a/xTYrl87
Tao on his own wasn't impressive durability wise, but why you had to lie is beyond me. You've posted nothing for his powers besides Max Faraday's powers unchecked, so we can promptly ignore him, let alone his durability.
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Captain Atom didn't destroy Wildstorm with the Void Shard. When he fought Majestic, the Void Shard was atomic. When he killed Jenny and had the Void taken away, he was entirely the Void, as we can see plain as day in the gallery.
AM is decent, but this was at a severely lesser level than his actual impressive multiversal/universal feats come from. Zoom also isn't actually very durable, nor did Barry ever blitz him to that degree.
Easily under Thor level feat.
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The Midgard Serpent shrinking does not negate the actual feat when it happened.
Thor was swinging the hammer and threw it. Those hammers aren't Mjolnir, nor does Thor have esoteric control over them to that degree.
It literally blows up in the same page lol
All the pages are there reiterating the danger to the realm
All Thor avatars are at or below Thor in power. You're trying to give Zoom Flash's feats, don't be a hypocrite even moreso. The only Thor avatar who varies from Thor is Jane's control of Mjolnir with the Motherstorm and its flight. She did not have this control yet in the scans I showed.
The Celestials were never penetrated with simple megatons in that arc, and they were sent directly into the sun indicating that it wasn't as simple as the heroes made it seem. Sue is the literal weakness to Celestials. The One Watcher is an unknown Watcher towering over all others, and he was knocked out beforehand. And the Godkiller is a complete unknown.
Also Arishem and the 4th Host are the most powerful Celestials in existence. You're trying to lowball the entire race with any Celestials, yet you won't accept actual named Celestials as evidence? Laughable.
Void wanting to die does not grant additional firepower to Thor. It was the reason he stayed dead, not got fried in the first place. He was lashing out at Thor right beforehand.
Thor lost the Norn Stones amp, please stop lying. https://i.imgur.com/sv33eBo.jpg
None of the current hammers have the enchantments of Mjolnir. Nor have they withstood multiversal characters like Hulk swinging them into other multiversal characters. Not only that, but the hammers were greater than any weapons found on Earth, and only Hulk damaged one. https://imgur.com/LhyNHU9
That device was built to withstand Celestials. Celestials who split the Multiverse. Hulk is above their level of power as evidenced by that.
"A random internet reply" was from the writer and creator of that specific Hyperion who held two universes apart, and he himself admitted that Hulk was stronger. He is not a random observer. Stop lying.
Not to mention Hulk has two fights with Hyperion, and neither have them have him pegged below Hyperion, a noted universe halter and survivor. http://tinyurl.com/y36mepoj
Even if Hulk is "only" on Hyperion's level, that is a level of strength that is far above Majestic.
And that was absolutely 2 universes. We literally see universes erupt in the scan I posted. Stop handwaving everything away. For further proof that the Earths represented a universe: http://tinyurl.com/yxt23q7e
Any TRUE DC FAN is immediately aware of how Earths can represent universes.
Balder is a lightspeeder as noted by him effortlessly stopping a lightspeed pie that Thor instantly accelerated. You're arguing about men in tights hopping in and out of time at high speeds, while misinterpreting facts to mean trillions of times lightspeed, and therefore the time hopper gets those feats; don't act incredulous about pie being able to travel at lightspeed. Your incredibility does not mean something doesn't count. Were that so, me simply going *scoff* would silence all your points.
"No PIS and CIS here hello… Zoom has taken Wally’s hardest punches, and Wally’s IMP hit with the force of a freaking white dwarf star"
The hypocrisy and lies on display here. Keep in mind gentlemen and Sin, that he just spent half his post and no doubt hours of his time trying to lowball my characters. Yet he doesn't see fit to count a character who has never knocked out a character outside a Flash related character/never won a fight, and he himself only has a very limited amount of appearances.
It also goes without saying that had Flash hit Zoom with the force of a white dwarf star, you would have posted it. You have not.
And of course your very next point is trying to lowball Thor about being in the sun. I'm sure I'm not the only one entertained by the depths you've gone here, the straws you've grasped at. Thor most recently spent days plummeting into the sun, and went into the sun into the Gorr arc as well, both under Aaron. I have presented actual scans of him being in the sun. You have presented nothing, but "pis and cis"
Naturally not being able to withstand the sun for long =/= not being able to fight in the sun however. You've presented no conflicting evidence, just of an imaginary timeclock. Majestic on the other hand, specifically could not enter the sun without severe prep and altering his body.
"There are different representations of Demogorge, and I didn't want to negate any of them, especially the God Squad stuff from 'Incredible Hercules.' In 'Thor Annual' #10, though, the Demogorge is this giant, massive thing that's literally eating gods. Half of the story takes place in Demogorge's body; it's this crazy being. That's the Demogorge I want to get back to," Fraction remarked. "Demogorge is the primal Sun God Atum ,as well, and I've decided that's the version of Demogorge that moves around and interacts with characters like Hercules. For this story, Demogorge as a notion or an entity is kind of an Eternity-level cosmic concept of the end of godhood."
Another two universal feats, and I could spend all day here throwing them out, but I want you to comprehend how truly powerful my team is.
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After all that, my plan stands. Hulk destroys the other team immediately and my opponent has trampled all over his own logic in an attempt to belittle my team. He can not keep his story straight of what he wants to do, and can not keep the lies from coming out. It seems all he wanted to do was attempt to lowball these characters while arguing against using this type of logic in this thread - as I believe I've pointed out. I came here for a serious intellectual and fun discussion, and it seems he does not have good intentions.
Laughing in the face of danger does not undo the very serious damage of my characters, nor my speed. Hulk destroys his entire team immediately and he has presented zero evidence that his characters could withstand my universal - multiversal level attacks.
I have around 5000 characters left for a conclusion later on, but I thought I'd end this part by bringing you up to speed with what I deal with here.
First off, I'd like to thank the judges Jlxking, Bentley, and Rage for voting for me. It's much appreciated mates.
Conclusion
So the conclusion here is pretty straight forward. My opponent has repeatedly stepped over his own arguments and sowed the seeds of mistrust, while I however, have shown a face you can trust:
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He has shown no actual solid feats of the Creation Blades while misinterpreting the one feat he's brought forth. He tried to build off a being he simply did not have access to the power of (Max Faraday), and as such, he has not delineated where Tao lies. He has demonstrated a no limits fallacy on the blade being able to cut through anything while handwaving away multiple statements and actual damage of something I presented in regards to War Thor for example.
The Creation Blades are a complete unknown as a result. He doubled down on lowballing my characters - something he admitted he doesn't stand by mind you - yet he failed to solidify his winning proof. Even ignoring everything I've conferred while taking into account his lowballing, he has not drawn enough parallels for us to know what happens if he does actually get close. It might as well be a random sword for all he's shown... and all he's shown from Zoom is him cheapshotting Wonder Woman and failing to knock her out.
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He has not shown anything from Zoom to account for far-in-excess-of-lightspeed; a character he admits is much faster than Mr Majestic. I have shown multiple pages from Zoom that shows that he operates at or slightly above lightspeed. He has denounced the use of ABC logic which largely effects almost everything he says, but it seriously hinders his speed. In the meantime, I have shown my characters can:
Travel and move faster than his characters per a given speed in the source material
I have shown my characters react to characters on par with Zoom's actual comic speed
I have shown both my characters react to a character faster than Flash's fastest calculated comic feat
His plan involves Zoom taking the sword out of Majestic's hand, and traveling the length of the battlefield and decapitating my characters before they can flinch. All I'm doing is clapping initially. With a deficient in speed feats, I think we can decide what's more likely.
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He has not actually countered the power I've established my characters possess. Sure, he's scoffed and laughed at my points, but that does not make the bogeyman go away. The one he seemed most focused on was the Midgard Serpent, but everything else fell to the wayside to him. He wasted precious characters on a mere planetary feat while he let multiversal feats slip through his grasp. I however, focused on the important parts while fully aware of my character limits here. I wish we would have had another 10k characters so I could fully dissect everything he said, but I focused on what's important - Multiversal feats are apparently not to him.
His only counter to something as simple as two Mjolnir's smashing together is calling them different Thors - using the literal powers of Thor - yet he thinks it's perfectly reasonable to get all of Flashes feats?
In his lack of effort he has allowed me to build a reasonable comparison towards Hulk's fists/claps and Mjolnirs bashing together. Something disastrous for anyone on the planet/universe it's directed at. This is just one of the things his lackadaisical effort has afforded me. In summation, he has let a lot of things slip through the cracks that put my characters far above his, and he's provided no counter to the feats, nor a defense with his characters besides "They're really fast".
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The last part will be to highlight the deceptive nature on display here.
He makes a large point shaming the use of ABC logic. Then he displays an example of ABC logic he thinks will help him and be disastrous towards my case. The issue of course, is that he acts like this is the first and only time he demonstrates this logic. As you can clearly see in his points on the issue at hand, that he does not like ABC logic. Yet, almost everything he posted has been ABC logic.
He has advocated multiple times for full capacity, no low feats, and no CIS, yet he clearly goes against this in regards to my characters. Again, following his logic, it would stand to reason none of this counts. He's trampling on his own examples with vivid descriptions and reasons. Literally arguing against himself with potential points an opponent would bring up.
He has lied many times over the course of this BZ. More than I can point out for that matter. He has made it so that his word can't be believed without an explicit scan detailing his words - which he has not provided in many of his claims. That is up to you judges to decide what you should account for.
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Now I know it's a lot to take that Hulk/Thor beat this team, and you may not have thought they had a chance before hand, but put aside your biases and see the missteps of my opponent have allowed my characters to flourish. This is not about the characters, this is about an impious use of good characters, and questionable logic implementation.
Our Lord accepts repentance, and he will accept you by doing the right thing.
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This is a really good post. You guys are welcome for having witnessed it.
Before I start my final posts I want to thank the people who agreed to judge and host. Also I want to point out for a lot of my imgur may contain multiple images in a single link. So please scroll through them all
So after 30k characters and endless wankage from Bran, nothing has changed. My initial plan still works.
After basket of evidences shown by me of Thor and Hulk getting pierced by people much slower than Zoom and Majestic.
They are not countering the initial blitz, no matter how many 360 flip multiversal jujitsu mental gymnastic Bran’s trying to pull.
I’m not lowballing and applying abc logic. I only mirror you for lulz. After seeing your ridiculous OP that makes my eyes bleed, I realize who I am dealing with and what I’m getting myself into, so I’m just fighting fire with fire.
You have thrown all the rational debates out of the window at the very beginning. It’s actually quite entertaining seeing you get so rustled when I use your own tactic against you. Remember you drew the first piss
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Yet the writer also shown Wally capable of carry over half a million people in 0.00001 microseconds 35 miles out of a nuclear blast, one or two at a time. I will take what’s shown on panel over a vague narrative statement.
Hulk catching a mountain is not a lowball feat, that’s his higher than average portrayal. Everyone should know this. Hulk does not operate at this multiversal planets busting level you claim to be.
You see, Bran find the biggest outliers of Hulk and Thor in their more than 50 years of appearances. Then misinterpret those feats and blow it out of proportion. It’s like saying Superman can beat universal abstracts because he vibrated the omniverse, lifted infinity and eternity. We know what the standard level of these characters operate at.
Zoom and Majestic have only 1/100 appearances altogether compare to Hulk and Thor. Taking out the extreme outliers is what we do when we debate. Of course the uninformed may ask why do I show Hulk and Thor getting tagged and hurt by metas and streets? Because that happens on regular basis, anyone who read Thor and Hulk should know this. These are not low feats. You think WWHulk getting hit constantly are low feats? Does the term grounded brick lost it’s meaning?
WW stated himself Zoom hits harder than Superman, not my personal opinion, on panel fact.
I never said that stop twisting my words. I said Wally hit as hard as a white dwarf star. This happened during the fight where Wally KOed Thawne, another Zoom.
Hunter is faster than both Thawne and Wally
Hunter killed Wally’s wife unborn babies, Wally was going all out, and Hunter was tanking Wally’s hardest punches with ease.
Do you have selective reading syndrome? I posted Wally attosecond as well.
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When Hunter was owning Wally and Barry (who both possess attosecond reaction) that means Hunter is faster than attosecond as well. Even kindergarten kids can comprehend that. Decade later? Lol same Hunter was owning Barry and Wally last year.
Oh the irony, you should take your own medicine
In the instance that you mentioned, Zoom was able to completely humiliate amped Wally. Not only that, during the MIDDLE of their fight, Zoom is fast enough to go thousands miles back to Keystone city, looked through Linda’s medical records and killed her unborned twins, without Wally noticing he was gone. https://imgur.com/a/X3Sj53F
He has blitzed Bart Allen effortlessly. https://imgur.com/a/Q2tWEL4
During that time Bart absorbed the entire speed force. The totality of universal speed channel through one person. He was “not only the fastest man alive, but the fastest man who ever was alive.” Someone who’s capable of blitzing sbp https://imgur.com/7Qr9qXQ https://imgur.com/vFyb4X6 https://imgur.com/e65kYRB https://imgur.com/a/eq1FW
Zoom stopped Time. “We are locked between the ticks of a second”
When you can stop time, you can go as far as you like in zero seconds. Your speed is essentially infinite.
He sees two dumb statues that are Hulk and Thor. He does whatever he wants with them. https://imgur.com/a/bPGdrC1
So you can cling on to whatever vague narration and think it’s only lightspeed all you want.
When reality is, Wally with speed of all the speedsters fighting at MXIMUM CAPACITY was only able to barely match Zoom. Wally and Bart both have feats many times faster than light.
Bran still can’t distinguish between travel speed and combat speed. Gladiator is fast when he enters hyperspace for TRAVEL and slows in combat. Though fighting gladiator is nothing impressive
Vs Gambit https://imgur.com/a/2we3igZ
vs deathbird https://imgur.com/Lm7W9jz
vs Colossus https://imgur.com/hNn1yKt
vs Cannonball https://imgur.com/a/vRtV5tX
I guess they all hit many times faster than light eh? Ffs
Regarding taggin speedsters, that shit is nothing impressive consider how slow marvel speedsters are. Wolverine, Hercules, Spiderman, Black Panther has all done it.
The hell are you talking about..I’m kind enough to let you use composite different version of Hulks and you can have 50 years of Hulk and Thor showings to choose from.
Yet you are whining I’m using Zoom’s most recent feats out of a dozen of his showings? Seriuosly? It’s the same freaking Zoom
Hunter Zoom is the same character after flashpoint. Anyone with an ounce of DC knowledge should know this. Zoom has developed new abilities throughout his history, he couldn’t time travel in his initial appearance but later on he can. Noted I’m not using that tactic because it will be overkill. https://imgur.com/a/HCUbGFf
It’s just the way Zoom works. He develops new abilities as time goes on. Next time you want to nerf Zoom you should just say I am only allowed to use Zoom that appeared in Flash v2 197.
He purposely ignores 50 instances of me posting Thor and Hulk being slow in combat, we can’t blame him, he simply has no counter for them.
The creation blades came from the most powerful weapon. https://imgur.com/a/eCyUkvp
The creation blades could disrupt energy, shut off cosmic abilities, hurt things that otherwise can't be hurt, cut through anything in the universe. To think it will not hurt Hulk and Thor is asinine. Especially since evidence suggest otherwise
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This is rich coming from you, multiversal Hulk and Thor.
I don’t have enough space for rebuttal, I’ll address a few.
1. A Helicarrier smash has turned Void back to Bob.
2. Since you wanna use writer’s internet reply so bad, this is a nice one for you
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3. He absolutely did not push two universes apart. Imagine me extend my arms with two balloons (earths), there are two cars (universes) coming from the opposite side and they hit and pop the balloons. The planet was destroyed. Hyperion failed to push the two earths/universes apart, nothing more.
4. Hype and Thor fought the beyonders and fail to kill a single one before both get demolished. The fight happened in a erased timeline mind you.
No you couldn’t. You spend more than a week digging the most outlier feats in existence then misinterpret them. Don’t act like your boys operate universal/multiversal on average. Be objective for once.
If you spout enough lies and your opponent has no energy to call out all the bullshit one by one, does it make your lies come true?
Hulk doesn’t have super speed reactions because he doesn’t have super speed. Hulk’s muscle simply doesn’t move that fast and he does not have that kind of perception.
Hulk gets hit http://i.imgur.com/Jgh6j1U.png https://imgur.com/BlrhGsa https://imgur.com/pwITgl1 https://imgur.com/kPC3521
Lol this is what really happened to Bran’s multiversal Hulk during the fight with Vector, bricks being thrown around soooo powerful lmao https://imgur.com/9CLx4h8
Thor gets hit https://imgur.com/7x8WLnh https://imgur.com/D3qqhhZ https://imgur.com/a/F4Y7GO5
If I show you 100 instances of Hulk and Thor gets hit by people far far slower than Majestic and Zoom. Do you still cry PIS and lowballing?
In the words of Bran
Now I know it's a lot to take that multiversal Hulk and Thor can lose, and you may not have thought my team had a chance before hand, but put aside your biases and see the missteps of my opponent have allowed my characters to flourish.
After all you have put Hulk and Thor on such a pedestal, that anything not universal and above you deem as lowballing. Unfortunately we who live in the real world don’t follow your perception.
We see Hulk and Thor as who they really are, too slow and not durable enough to survive the initial blitz.
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Alright I'm just gonna post this one directly as well, as it's long overdue.
This wasn't taken with much of a serious intention obviously, but I'm going to give a semi serious answer.
The Thulk amalgam cannot deal with that level of speed. At least that's what I thought. But then Bran posted this:
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And everything became a little less clear.
Overall though, in a tough battle, I think it's clear that the Thulk amalgam would be easily sliced to pieces by an absurdly broken amalgam pick from Mr. Mind.
There was really no way around it. I did like that Midgard Serpent feat though. I recommend it gets posted as much as often. And whoever does it, that's gonna work out real good for them.
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