Battlezone: AlbertAnvil vs. Supermutant! (rematch)
-Albert is repping Fantomex, Supermutant is repping Psylocke (616 versions; no E.V.A. for Fantomex.)
-No BFR.
-Victory by KO or death.
-Fight on populated Manhattan streets.
-All other rules are the same as the VS forum.
*3 post limit. Deadline is 5/26/19.
*Judges are MrMind, Damborgson, and DarkSaint.
**Loser is banned from any sort of BZ participation/discussion, for 8 months. Both contestants have agreed to this stipulation. No exceptions.
Albert's OP:
I will begin this random encounter by stating the second we engage I'm spamming gunfire and sentient bullets that don't miss.
You cannot dodge them because they will track you and down you. If they hit you they will at minimum slow you down for a continuing of rapid gun fire and spamming sentient bullets while I immediately take cover and evaluate the situation.
Here's a clear example of the sentient bullets...
Here you will begin to see not only the use of sentient bullets but an incredible display of marksmanship as shown here spamming sentient bullets.. Even able to briefly take down Magneto who normally treats all gunfire as if it's irrelevant.
Proving as well the speed and caliber of these bullets is on a whole new level.
Again sentient bullets finding and hitting...
Fantomex springs into action with what to me is what he's MOST famous for and that's his misdirection as some like to call it.
Misdirection allows him to create advanced and extremely realistic illusions. These illusions are not holographic projections or telepathic manipulation but rather "reality skewing."
As shown here doing it on the fly to two on alert, armed, and fully aware guards.
Again mid fight his misdirection uncanny. This time against mind-controlled Wolverine, Archangel and many others...
I'd like to quickly scale Wolverines senses. From ontop of a building hes able to sense an enemy that's down beneath the street in the sewers. (scan 1)
Some final scaling for Wolverine shows he can even sense when he's being watched by someone high above in building.
Now remember the misdirection feats Fantomex performed were right in Wolverines face and on the fly in mid combat.
Misdirection is immensely effective because literally nobody is immune to it, and Fantomex can use it on the fly. He's misdirected the likes of Charles Xavier and Jean Grey.
As shown below in one my most favorite feats by him to date...
But first!
--A quick recap shows the initial onslaught of bullets and sentient bullets in constant pursuit.
Supermutant's OP:
Alberto thinks he will get revenge in this BZ, but just like Fantomex in the end he will still be a...
So now that we know the ending (sorry for the spoiler, judges) let’s see how we get there.
Match starts:
1. Psylocke instantly creates a TK shield around herself. Fantomex has never performed a misdirect through a TK shield..
2. Psylocke rips Fantomex TP blockers out of his mask as seen below. Fantomex has never performed a misdirect at the starting distance of .5 kilometers
3.Once his TP blockers are destroyed, Psylocke puts his to sleep. As seen below she effortlessly put Fantomex, Cable and a room full of mutants to sleep.
Now judges, Alberto will no doubt try to misdirect you with by only using Fantomex highest showings. But for instance He never cast an illusion on Jean Grey or Pro. X. But I’m sure that you all will see thru his misdirection just like Psylocke has done. Yeah that’s right Psylocke has already seen thru his misdirection and beat him. As seen below just like Alberto here, Fantomex was out for revenge against Psylocke. And just like this BZ, it didn’t matter as Psylocke TP alone was enough to overcome it. Then she finished him off for the ko mostly with a strong TK blast. Plus the really bad part for Alberto is that all Psylocke was trying to do was get info. She didn't try to kill him, needless to say I will not be as gentle here. The orange tinted panels are the attempted misdirect.
Really the above battle from Uncanny X-Men #8 2016 eliminates any hope of victory for Alberto.
Psylocke knows Fantomex well being that they are former lovers and teammates. She knows exactly how his powers work and how to beat him because she has done it no less than 4 times. Starting distance is to my advantage, Psylocke is significantly faster, and she will get off the first attack .Which will destroy his TP blockers and quite possibly ko him without the need for putting him to sleep. Even if we ignore the rest she can just chill out behind a tk shield, and mentally scan everyone in her area. Fantomex will be the only person around whose thoughts she couldn’t read, making him easily identifiable. Fantomex would have to end his illusion to make a move, and he has no hope against her in a straight fight.
Her tk butterfly shields are a match for Magneto's impressive shields. Fantomex certainly isn't getting thru it.
https://imgur.com/adTO6dP
Judges Alberto will tell you that Psylocke can’t win this, but just like Fantomex below he is a...
First off I would like focus on a few points he made. I really don't have to stay on the defense here. Just wanna clear things up for more knowledge of the character. My opponent really tried to pull a fast one and end it quick because he doesn't want to prolong this. I get it. Psylocke on paper is out of my league a bit. But doesn't mean she get the w Everytime.
My opponent wants to believe that her beating fantomex was cut and dry easy. But he's merely only using scans of her feats against him. And not using story context to connect them. This fight scene from Uncanny #8 is from 2016. Alot has happened with fantomex at this point. She could've tried done on or two things to him...but she can't. Let's begin with this... Telekinetic shields don't block illusion casting and misdirection they have nothing to do with each other. The as I can see in the scan my opponent used. The shield is simply used to block bullets. The misdirection did not happen in front of her eyes....it happened I'm his head. On the psychic plane And she fell for it...
https://imgur.com/a/Q8EtTK1
The misdirection is what he wants her to see in his head....to keep her away from any info she wants ...and he succeeded while still going toe to toe with her in the physical plane..but notice At this she is indeed chasing her tail in his head. The information that she's seeking she doesn't get completely however she never sought through The mists direct he actually told her some of the info she wanted during the fight to the dialogue he's telling her what's going on...
https://imgur.com/a/Q8EtTK1
The misdirection is what he wants her to see in his head....to keep her away from any info she wants ...and he succeeded while still going toe to toe with her in the physical plane..but notice At this she is indeed chasing her tail in his head. The information that she's seeking she doesn't get completely however she never sought through The mists direct he actually told her some of the info she wanted during the fight to the dialogue he's telling her what's going on..
https://imgur.com/a/yx4gpeR
As I post this fight. The misdirection it's actually mostly him talking and not the just visions that he's showing her...he's leading her on the entire time. And still going toe to toe...and even gets the drop on her by the end of the fight...
https://imgur.com/a/XGX8q0N
Needless the say that teke blast was what kept her alive....and she still didn't get the info from his head because he didn't allow her...he told her what he wanted her to know. But she still never got Magneto's location from his head that's just misdirection was successful he prolong the fight and never gave her information she wanted which is why at the end she says that "you are not here to help me I'll find Magneto myself". He essentially sent her on a trip in his brain to see what he wanted her to see he went toe-to-toe physically and mentally with an Omega level telepath Ninja.
https://imgur.com/a/WkKykup
So no. She never saw through the misdirection even psychically. He simply kept her chasing and volunteered the info he wanted. He controlled the situation.
But wait there's more....
There's a reason why she didn't and couldn't use her telepathy here to force her way in and incapacitate him or put him to sleep and then pull the info. It's because he is able to alternate between 3 brains to throw off telepaths...also why his misdirection is so potent against telepathy. Here is him slowing down the shadow Kings psychic attacks by doing so...so her ”putting his ass to sleep" isn't as simple as u think...but let me show u why reading story is so fundamental.
https://imgur.com/a/JOGIZej
here my opponent used this scan the not only show that she can put fantomex to sleep but also to power scale her with cable who is also top 5 telepath on earth....but one thing he didn't know is ... THAT'S NOT CABLE BUT A CLONED CABLE SOLDIER WHO IS NOT A TELEPATH. THE ENTIRE RUNNING JOKE OF THAT SERIES IS WHO WAS GOING TO KILL THE NEXT CABLE CLONE! But enough of that....the reason why she dropped fantomex so easily here is this....notice fantomex still has his telepathy blocking mask on. So the blockers are still in place. So how did she get through that to put him sleep AND read his mind while he was sleep? And to there was nothing he could do about it...
https://imgur.com/YU2PR5G
That particular scan is from 2014s xforce #3 this team like most x teams that's are put together all have at least one psychic during combat for communication. Thus everyone on this team is psychically connected to Betsy. a consentual connect that fantomex agreed to let her have access.
https://imgur.com/a/uRc1FLA
She waited til they were sleeping to read their minds and find out secrets....
https://imgur.com/a/5xydSHM
But how did she drop mutant sentinel hybrid with 3 brains? Easy ... At the time of this arc he briefly only had access to one brain....let's fast forward 1 issue to prove it...
Xforce #4 (2014) pay attention to the date...
https://imgur.com/a/5AzdITU
Fantomex brains were split and connected to clones of him. Now at this point of his story in 2014 he is disconnected from his other 2 brains because they are in use …
https://imgur.com/a/Rh2v8Xl
He was even feeling inferior because of the separation...
https://imgur.com/a/x4TMx0y
The scene of her breaking his blockers on the other hand...was from uncanny X-Men #8 (2016) by this time.... fantomex has been reconnected with his other 2 brains allowing him to put up a fight and deny her psychic attacks. which is why she couldnt successfully gather any info or get around his misdirection. In hindsight my opponent used those scans chronologically backwards not understanding how the story effects her feats.
https://imgur.com/a/urzpmwy
They are out of context to his strategy
She can't shut him down unless he allows her in without a fight
Now that my debunks of that poor strategy is over by let's go on the offense....my opponent says that my opponent never performed a misdirection at a starting distance of .5 kilometers. That is a made up stat. And means nothing. Because at this point Betsy has no history of dealing with fantomex's illusion casting on the physical plane.
While I'm on the attack...I'm gonna throw a debunk....my opponent wasn't sure what he was saying here that fantomex never misdirected Jean and Charles...but he did cast an illusion that he revealed to the misdirection to Jean...
This scene....her was a complete misdirection....
https://imgur.com/a/XkWK2C1
He revealed it later... he tricked her and Charles. Two of the most powerful telepaths on earth and one whos the Phoenix
https://imgur.com/a/zpPRaFU
With that being said since I don't have to follow your scenario...here's mine. Both know each other well....he knows what she can do and won't make a mistake because he's obsessed with being perfect. He sets the scene around her to throw her off and surprise her.... remember he makes people see what he wants them to see. Even if she knows what he can do. She can't not see it....btw that betsy in this scan...
https://imgur.com/a/TAqwpm2
That's scene he sets tackles all 5 senses just like he did to weapon Omega who is the new apocalypse and also has apocalypse's telepathy...he casted an illusion to make him think he is fighting and winning... Even killing the entire squad...
https://imgur.com/a/MGDh9t1
All of this is a misdirection. He does the same thing to Betsy. Taking her attention away and forcing to fight something that's not there....
Since she blocks hits by localizing he psi shields at the spots she's blocking. I will be utilizing fantomex's mutant killing sentient bullets to move around her shield and tag her... dropping her where she stands...
https://imgur.com/a/u2kLLwg
Note.... fantomex is an expert marksman
strategy recap... offensive attack #1
1. I proved that Fantomex can cast illusions and misdirect even the most powerful telepaths.
2. Going hand to hand in combat can be done but I'm showing that would he the last resort. But I have proven he can go toe to toe with her and even best her.
3. She has never seen through his misdirection and illusions unless he tells her what it is. Thus she will fall victim to her reaction from her senses.
4. She cant attack him psychically without him using his multiple brains and misdirection to counter it still trick her and fight her simultaneously.
5. She's not bullet proof. Fantomex's sentient bullets are made to kill mutants and they can shift their trajectory around shields coming from guns that used by master marksman.
My next round I will utilize last resort options JUST IN CASE I DIDNT KILL HER HERE.
HERE'S A LIE FOR YA ... MY OPPONENT SAID I WOULD SAY THIS...BUT IN REALITY I ACTUALLY BELIEVE SHE CAN WIN AS WELL....EITHER WAY....I JUST KILLED HER.
The Only Things Alberto Will be Shooting are Blanks.
1. The sentients bullets are not standard equipment, so they can’t be used in this BZ.
2. Psylocke tk shield will easily block all other bullets.
3. Psylocke can dodge/evade/deflect all other bullets without the need for a shield as previously shown in her victories over Fantomex.
1.
Originally posted by Digi
Standard Equipment
Each side starts out with the equipment that they normally and have been shown to consistently carry on them. For example, Daredevil would have his billy-club, but Reed Richards would not have the Ultimate Nullifier.
Fantomex having sentient bullets is like Reed Richards using the Ultimate Nullifier. It is not standard gear and must be agreed upon before being used in a BZ. Here are the scans to prove that Fantomex sentient bullets were only for a limited time with a limited supply. That limited supply being the skin from the Skinless Man. Who has been dead for a while now, and even when alive could not grow his skin back anyway.
https://imgur.com/79AJ95j
https://imgur.com/ikMqb2g
https://imgur.com/5y2Xcsv
And that last scan came from Uncanny X-Force Vol 1 #15 (2011). So Fantomex hasn’t used those rare sentient bullets in the last eight years, because said bullets have been “lost forever” according to his own words. He only used them around 5 times at the most. Therefore he doesn’t get them in this BZ, as they are not close to being a part of his standard gear.
2. No mere bullets are getting past her TK shields. I wonder if Alberto even paid attention to this scan below from our previous BZ. Here Psylocke is shielding against automatic machine guns while also using TK to fastball special X-23, at the attacking aircraft. This scan is very important to this match because its shows her using both offensive and defensive TK at the same time. It also shows that her range exceeds the 0.5 kilometers of the starting distance.
Again she shows offensive and defensive TK at the same time, being able to shield and create a psychic gatling gun . At no time in this match will her TK shield be down until after she has destroyed his TP blockers.
Her shields can block all kind of debris including a satellite being hurled at her by Magneto, from all directions.
Her shield can stand up to the reality warping magic of Merlyn. Alberto cannot show one instance of Fantomex performing a misdirect against a tk shielded opponent.
Also if needed she could close the distance by flying super fast while being tk shielded. She is so much faster than Fantomex, and her first attack will destroy his TP blockers. Leaving him defenseless against her TP. She is able to fly to the edge of space and halfway around the world in minutes.
3. She doesn’t even need a shield to evade Fantomex bullets. I already shown her effortlessly dodging his gunfire at close range. And here is another encounter where Psylocke only has a sword and Fantomex has a pistol. She dodges his bullets at close range and goes on to defeat him, having him at her mercy.
She can deflect bullets with her sword at close range. But Alberto will have you believed that’s bullets are going to drop her lol.
Even the sentient bullets only did minor damage to anyone not a jobber. Archangel got shot in the head and was still completely fine soon thereafter. Magneto only got shot because he thought they were metal and tried to manipulate them. But Fantomex shot him with ceramic bullets and they still didn’t do any lasting damage. Even if those sentient bullets were standard gear for Fantomex, they don’t have a great track record of downing anyone that matters especially through a TK shield. They certain aren’t some special 1-shot kill weapon against mutants.
https://imgur.com/GmJSoUA
https://imgur.com/yirbGFc
Now judges let remember Alberto’s first move which is:
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I will begin this random encounter by stating the second we engage I'm spamming gunfire and sentient bullets that don't miss.
LOL. Before I begin this next section on misdirection, it’s very important to note that Alberto has immediately given away his position with his opening move. In other words before he even has a chance to attempt a misdirect, Fantomex TP blockers have already been destroyed by Psylocke’s TK. He has zero chance to hurt her with bullets for all the reasons given above, and he will be at the mercy of her TP attack. Alberto entire plan is shoot bullets and misdirect. So from the beginning half of his plan is entirely useless since he didn’t pay attention to the standard gear rule lol. The other half (misdirection) will never get a chance to work, since Alberto made sure that Psylocke will be in Fantomex mind before he decides to do a misdirect.
So now Alberto attempts to “misdirect” you all with misrepresented scans and completely wrong claims. We all knew this was coming.
1. Fantomex didn't have the illusion power of misdirection during the Morrison era, in his initial appearances. He was just a super spy, and his "misdirection" was literal back then. It just meant he was exceptionally good at lying to people. He never cast an illusion on Xavier or Jean. The old lady who Fantomex referred to as mother was real, and so was E.V.A. obviously.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/mother/4005-83719/
Lol Both Jean and Charles knew they were being lied to, but they couldn’t read his mind because of the TP blockers. And Jean allowed Fantomex to escape after they defeated Weapon XII and saved some X-men. It's some weird misconception floating around that he misdirected them with an illusion there. I don’t even blame Alberto for being confused, it’s not like we should expect him to read the issues. The Jean/Charles/Fantomex encounter took place in New X-Men 2001, #129-#130.
https://imgur.com/duugbzy
https://imgur.com/2vo3yDE
Anyways I could go quote Alberto line by line and detail his many errors and mistakes. But that would be a waste of time, plus word limits, and I’m not going to allow him to misdirect us from the main issues.
2. Psylocke already saw through his misdirect and beat him, dodging all of his gunfire at point blank range. I can’t even understand what nonsense Alberto is attempting to use in defense of that fight. And that’s the full fight from Uncanny X-Men #8 2016 as I have previously shown. Plus the correct context, which is Fantomex wanted to kill Psylocke for revenge after she previously severed his connection to E.V.A. So Fantomex was out for blood while Psylocke only wanted to find out why he was there, working for Magneto. Her TP was able to beat his misdirect, Fantomex even states, “You’re in my thoughts. You know I’m not... lying. So once she got the info she wanted, she KOed him. If his misdirect has been successful as Alberto claims, then Fantomex would have killed her like he want to do.
Fantomex most definitely is affected by TK, he is not immune to it in any way.
And Psylocke TK has stopped a real reality warper her brother Jamie Braddock, while saving guess who yeah Fantomex.
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jamie-braddock/4005-4270/
So Alberto must show how Fantomex misdirection will get past her shields. He simply cannot show this because Fantomex has never done so.
https://imgur.com/udoz7mc
https://imgur.com/ibwHPHQ
Her psychic defenses have even block against a surprise attack from the Shadow King. He is someone who manipulates his opponents all the time with illusions and lies.
3. Alberto’s argument is a misdirect that directly misses the context of his own scans. His owns scans shows that Fantomex three brains were only a momentarily blimp to Shadow King who was able to read them all. It also show him missing his target again lol thanks Al. The end result was SK relaxing in a chair while the Skinless Man killed Fantomex. Lol Don’t know why Alberto would bring this up but once again thanks bud.
https://imgur.com/a/JOGIZej
https://imgur.com/THgUKxo
https://imgur.com/4OKu7cW
When Fantomex 3 brains each received a body, Weapon XIII received all the misdirection power without any limits. Because his imagination was free from any restrictions. And Psylocke wasn’t trying to get free or fight, she merely want to see what he was up to. They were basically on a date lol, and Psylocke knew that the scenery was all an illusion.
But once again Alberto is silly for bringing this up because Psylocke beat Weapon XIII who had amped misdirection. Now the Demon Bear was still inside of her, but she used him just like she does her TK, and once again she is victorious.
As far as Cable goes, once again he is just plain wrong. The Cable who was made to go to sleep by Psylocke was the original one. What he stated happen at the end of that X-Force series when the Cable clones were sent in to deal with an majorly Volga virus amped Fantomex with god-like powers.
after a bunch of spamming feats....and out of context and misinterpreted scans...I will spend this turn countering my opponents last turn. And exposing a rule break (or 2) based off of his lack of actually reading the book...
lets start with the bullets
These bullets are actually part of his standard weapons. He keeps them on his person and only uses them when needed. Or when he wants. So yes these are viable in this fight to the death. But let's discuss below why my opponents claim that he's all out of them is convoluted....
https://imgur.com/a/na4CTWb
I never once had to agree on this because just because the skinless man is dead doesn't mean he can't use them. And as I said a again they are apart of his ammunition to his guns that is also standard gear. My opponent posted two separate scans from two different time periods of fantomex "stating" 2 completely different things about the bullets...
In this scan that my opponent posted fantomex explained he was "down to his last". But he never specified how many. He didn't say "down to my last one".... Follow me here because I'm about to blow it away...
https://imgur.com/a/4IRPRDj
In this scan my opponent posted on a separate occasion he told the skinless man (from who's skin the bullets are made from) that they were "gone forever" now what's fishy about both of these scans I wonder....
https://imgur.com/a/B8waWgX
The first scan where he's talking to Deadpool and says the words "down to my last" is from Uncanny X force vol 1 #15 during the end of the dark angel arc. But if we fast forward 7 issues....
..you get the book where the second scan when he's talking to Skinless man and says "lost forever" was from uncanny X-Force vol 1 #22...during the otherworld arc. in all of the issues in between.... fantomex never used any of the "LAST" of his bullets that based off the times he used them in comics he keeps them on his person which makes them standard gear....so with that being said there's a pattern here ....
https://imgur.com/a/tXFRd3C
If he still had said bullets available why do you think he would tell the man whose skin the bullets are made out of whether or not he still had them. When in that same book he asked Fantomex "where's my skin?". He wouldn't tell him.... because what is the main characteristic of the fantomex character?
HES A ****ING PROFESSIONAL LIAR! So much that his lying is apart of his power set! Not one time in the comics has it ever specified how many sentient bullets he had. And "down to my last" still 1. Did not specify how many he's down to. And 2. He Could've been lying about that entire sentence! He can't help it...it's his nature to misdirect. Even the next page Skinless man figured all that was bullshit because he know that fantomex can do that... Hell even when he said lost forever he could've just been referring to the bullets that he has already used!
So based off the sporadic usage and the fact that both instances the only thing you have to go on are the words of a character that lies with every breath in his lungs...you have no tangible no proof that these bullets are gone. And u can't prove that they are not a standard weapon considering that he carries his ammunition on him and uses the same guns. The only reason he hasn't used them could be simply because he doesn't feel the need to....and speaking of which you spoke on the track record of the bullets. There is no setback to them. They work like any other bullet we have seen him kill with in comics...when he shot through Magneto's shield they still hit mags...who's has been shot many times before and live. (Mags durability is insane). But neither of those we're kills shots... Because that wasn't the mission.
https://imgur.com/a/J7Wchjh
Now as opposed to when he used them on archangel....Warren didn't take a bullet to the face and keep fighting like my opponent suggested....it simply bounced off his armor. This was a kill shot had his armor didn't protect him...
Armor covers Warren's entire body except....
https://imgur.com/a/US0obXk
. I never once said that granny doesn't exist. And there is no indication in the comics or otherwise that ever stated that the Morrison era fantomex did not have the reality skewing powers....because it's been part of his powerset since his creation in the weapon plus program. See once u start making shit up u lose....see below.
I don't have to really double down on the truth that he reality skewed and misdirected Jean and professor....because he did...I already proved it...not just with words but via scans.he revealed to Jean what he wanted ...basically telling her that the old lady really wasn't there.
https://imgur.com/a/rThTFru
Jean didn't realize he was lying about almost everything in his story until the moment where she deduced that he was weapon 13 in this scene then he started fessing up a bit...and still only telling her half the truth... At that moment she was pissed that he duped her and was tired of the run around....
Also just because u proved that mother exists (which was simply a spam from comic vine). Doesn't mean that visual of her was real...case and point. We all know Deadpool exists. Nightcrawler saw him and felt him until it was all a lie....an illusion by fantomex.
https://imgur.com/a/jz30PF8
...that was a crappy explanation. My opponent just admitted if he was out for blood he would've killed her. My opponent admitted he would've gotten the job done. But if u read the context it seemed as tho he had several chances but all he was trying to was get her attention to prevent her from getting to Magneto. with his misdirection...on the psychic plane Which he did to her the entire fight and she still never got all the info because she admits it at the end of the fight. The rest of the info she was looking for he already told her. Then opened up his mind for her to check if he's lying.
Speaking of...theres slight difference between misdirection and reality skewing illusions....
https://imgur.com/a/BN2Y0S3
The I was making yet again is she can see and has indeed reacted to it...my opponent has yet to prove that she can't be tricked by an illusion. But I have already proved twice that powerful telepaths even more powerful than her have fallen victim. To it. She is no exception...
Also is this fight against weapon 13 she did not use the demon bear like telekinesis and my opponent saying that he had amped misdirection is irrelevant to the scan because he wasnt using misdirection or illusions in this scene. And she still didn't kill him.
Now let's end the debunks with my coup de gras....my opponent is terrible at power scaling his own character....and he literally had to break rules to bump her up SMH...
Before I get to the shenanigans...I addressed how fantomex made it hard for shadow king to shut him down. Using his 3 brains...my opponent said fantomex missed but that not what it was ...the bullets went through shadow king because he was just a projection. Intangible. Psylocke ain't intangible..
https://imgur.com/a/O2Igx4P
But wait IF U LOOK AT THE SCAN.... fantomex took his mask off with shadow king....TO PROTECT PSYLOCKE! WHY? because as much as my opponent wants to scale psylocke against shadow king...
Her track record against him is based off events AFTER THE ONE MY OPPONENT POSTED SAY....he controlled her EVERYTHING! ASTONISHING X-MEN#1 shadow king mind rapes and take over her body....
https://imgur.com/a/pEGuJ8a
1. Psylocke is NOT this fast and primarily does not and had never used super sonic flight to close the distance in a fight. Flight is not something she uses during combat. Not only did my opponent basically try use speed blitz here but...
Although this is 616 PSYLOCKEs body....this is NOT 616 psylockes soul or mind.
That scan is from New Exiles #7...
In that book...and the next 2 after it...slaymaster is killing psylockes from different universes. That's when this happened....one of the other universes Betsy took over the body of 616 betsy....
https://imgur.com/a/vWKyOUQ
Which is why she didn't recognize her team and was speaking Mandarin. Because from this point on this was another version of her.
https://imgur.com/a/AqEYpZY
The next scene...
https://imgur.com/a/s1DGkSk
Even the books acknowledge that change on the intro page....look at her profile pic as red. The previous book it was blue.
https://imgur.com/a/7v8jZoV
So at this point she is not in control of her own body anymore. And the new psylocke has unlocked something that 616 never did. Which means...not only is my opponent is using.... A composite feat. AnAmp outside of 616 Betsy own ability. And OUTSIDE HELP! AND THE RULES SAY....
For further reference please see New Exiles 8 and 9.
Cable clones were used through that entire XForce run...the real cable was being held in stasis...so no she didn't put him to sleep....man he's terribly bad at scaling...see below for proof
The cable that got put to sleep died here
https://imgur.com/a/V53VObB
https://imgur.com/a/8a8Gr7g
At that point it was all a new cable talking to her.
The real cable was in stasis....
there is No instances in comics that shows her resisting misdirection. If u refer to my first round I made it clear that in Uncanny X-Men number 8 that entire fight was him stringing her along in his brain so she would not get the information that she wanted but the information that he wanted her to have. The entire time he told her what he wanted her to know. and at the end she gave up not Tim down with the telekinetic blast and said that she will do the job herself without his help because he wasn't trying to help her.
At this point Alberto is just trolling and making things up. Fantomex made his first appearance in New X-Men vol.1 #128 (2002).
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/New_X-Men_Vol_1_128
So from 2002 to present 2019 is 17 years. In 17 years of appearances, Alberto has shown Fantomex using sentient bullets only twice on panel lol. Once against Toad and Magneto/(Xorn retcon), and the other time against Archangel. Needlessly to say using an item twice in 17 years does not count as standard gear. Furthermore, Alberto foolishly confirms that Fantomex used his last sentient bullet against Archangel. Because Alberto mentioned that five or so issues later he tells the Skinless Man, that those bullets are gone forever. And no Alberto we don’t have to just take Fantomex word for it. Because we also have the evidence that he has not used one sentient bullet on panel since he used the last one against Archangel.
It’s sad that Alberto has yet to realize that sentient bullets are not standard gear for Fantomex. The real funny thing is that Alberto’s so called mutant killings bullets have in effect killed zero mutants. The only mutant who was even injured was Toad who got shot in both knees. Those bullets would not have penetrated my shield anyways, and normal bullets have no shot against her as previously shown. So in effect, he has stated zero offensive capabilities of Fantomex that can put Psylocke down for the count. But by wasting time spamming gunfire, Alberto has given Psylocke more than enough time to destroy Fantomex tp blocking plates. Allowing Psylocke to be in his head before Fantomex even tries a misdirect, meaning Fantomex takes a nap for the ko.
The end result of this match will be very similar to when Psylocke effortlessly, and immediately shut down the mind of the very powerful John Sublime.
https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Sublime_(Earth-616)
Now we all know that Remender’s interpretation of misdirection was pretty haxxed. But even under him, Fantomex misdirection still had limits and a few characters were able to break free from it. The huge problem for Alberto is that Psylocke was one of the few to see through it, and defeat Fantomex as previously shown. And she has defeated him no less than four times. Fantomex (without E.V.A.) can only perform his misdirection when he is close to someone. His misdirection only last for a very short while (usually just seconds), and it requires some element of surprise to work. Whenever people are engaged in combat with him before he casts, it never seems to work. The examples we see posted are situations where he caught someone unawares. And he generally gets beaten up by people that were already aware they are fighting him. All the above explains why folks like Gambit, Agent Zero, Karnak, and Psylocke have defeated him.
Gambit was able to sneak up on Fantomex and defeat him. His 3 brains did not stop him from being koed.
Karnak was able to beat him and E.V.A. (in ship form) Again Karnak was aware that he was fighting Fantomex taking away the surprise of misdirection.
Agent Zero defeats Fantomex until E.V.A. shows up to save him. And Psylocke has already defeated him in a similar way, plus she doesn’t have to worry about E.V.A. here.
The Goat (future Jamie Braddick) was able to break his misdirection in half. While hurting both Fantomex and Psylocke who was also a part of the illusion. Also more evidence that she knows exactly how his powers work.
https://imgur.com/IIzuzql
https://imgur.com/J4WNLOX
AOA Wolverine broke through his misdirection just by punching it. Even if Psylocke was caught in a misdirection, her powers would still work. She is more than capable of breaking it or simply mentally scanning to make sure what appears real is actually real.
Psylocke is much faster than Fantomex, no matter if it’s speed of thought psychic abilities or physical speed. Alberto incorrectly showed scans out of order. What occured to Psylocke in New Exiles #8 and beyond is after the scan of her flying halfway around the world in minutes. In the below scan, Psylocke had momentarily been flooded with the memories of a dead Lady Mandarin. But Psylocke was able to wrestle control of her body back at the end of New Exiles #7, her face had not change at that time. Whatever happen after that is irrelevant here, that speed feat is still legit.
https://imgur.com/QJcHFdx
https://imgur.com/eUqYWCs
https://imgur.com/eqI8b9I
Plus Psylocke has other speed feats like running on metal shrapnel being hurled at her by Magneto, taking him down in the process.
https://imgur.com/jjK04jp
https://imgur.com/Ln06MPb
Takes down a blitzing speedster with a kick, having just resisted Lorelei hypnosis.
Plus she can amp her speed and strength with tk, making her faster and stronger than even Classic Rogue with Ms Marvel’s powers.
https://imgur.com/H66CLeV
https://imgur.com/xgTrxCJ
Alberto has yet to learn that claiming the wrong thing over and over again just makes you look like a simple-minded clown. So I’ll break down what happen to Cable as simple as possible for his sake. As I previously shown, the real Cable along with Fantomex and a room fool of mutants were immediately put to sleep by Psylocke in X-Force vol 4 #3. In the next issues, Cable is injected with the deadly Volga virus. Thereby Dr. Nemesis and the team made the Cable clones while the real Cable was waiting on a cure in stasis.
https://imgur.com/Ots5ymB
https://imgur.com/1ulN6RO
https://imgur.com/3ljsr89
So enough of Alberto made up nonsense and flat out lies. This seems like some ridiculous strategy on his part to just have so much inaccurate stuff out there, that some of that crap may stick.
Not falling for it and you shouldn’t either. Back to my plan which is still perfectly intact and perfectly counters, Alberto’s plan of shooting, finding cover, and misdirection.
Match starts:
1. Psylocke instantly creates a TK shield around herself. Fantomex spams normal bullets which has zero chance of getting through her TK shield.
2. Psylocke destroys Fantomex TP blockers with her offensive TK as previously shown. Fantomex continues to shoot and then look for cover to evaluate the situation.
3. Now Psylocke is in his head and can do any number of things to him via TP or psychic knife. I choose to put him to sleep as previously shown. Fantomex never gets a chance to perform a misdirect before Psylocke is probing his mind. And he has never performed a misdirect at the starting distance of .5 kilometers.
All of Alberto initial actions are listed from his first three sentences in this BZ from his OP.
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
I will begin this random encounter by stating the second we engage I'm spamming gunfire and sentient bullets that don't miss.You cannot dodge them because they will track you and down you. If they hit you they will at minimum slow you down for a continuing of rapid gun fire and spamming sentient bullets while I immediately take cover and evaluate the situation.
Notes on Alberto’s failures:
Psylocke can most definitely fly while shielded and attack with TK while flying. So our theme about Alberto being wrong about everything continues.
https://imgur.com/Huob1GV
https://imgur.com/awE9W62
It is dumb for Alberto to once again show the Shadow King tricking Fantomex with TP by creating an illusion. Which is the whole reason why my first attack is to disable his TP blockers, numb nuts. And in the next issue Psylocke would go to defeat the Shadow King in the astral plane yet again.
Alberto failed to show Jean or Pro. X being tricked by an illusion. What he did show is the exact same thing I showed, which was Fantomex lying to them.
Now I know what you all are thinking. Psylocke should just kill Fantomex for all of Alberto’s stupidity in this BZ.
I have received 2/3 verdicts. A winner can be decided...
MrMind wrote on May 27th, 2019 07:52 AM:
Supermutant provided a better argument with a better tactic. this one is really no contest, not a close match. Supermutant/Psylocke wins easily. He intepreted his scans better, his rebuttal was more on point. He showed he truly read the books instead of copying from the respect thread like Alberto did.Supermutant wins again
DarkSaint85 wrote on May 29th, 2019 03:49 AM:
So, here's my ruling.The BZ actually started out really strongly from both sides. After the OPs were posted, I was firmly in Supermutants camp. Then after the first rebuttals, Alberto's. The usage of Psylocke in the first post was brilliant, with her being shown firmly dominating Fantomex in their battles.
Then Alberto struck back, and refuted many of the points in an incredible manner. I haven't judged a match this difficult in a while.
The problem then, was Alberto's inexperience, I think. Rather than sticking to his points and arguing them, he then started to play a defensive game....which Supermutant capitalised on. The back and forth on Cable and his versions, for example - whilst interesting, didn't actually matter much to the fight in hand.
The OPs as they stood, still have Supermutant and his strategy intact, whereas Alberto unfortunately played right into his hand. Opening with those bullets (which, For the record, I don't believe the latest version of Fantomex has anymore) instead of a misdirection (his best strat, imo) means that Betsy has all the time in the world to mindphuck him.
Arguing about his bullets was a lost cause, imo. Because even if he DOES have them, Supermutant showed ample evidence of Betsy dealing with them.
Tldr:. Supermutant wins this.
Winner: Supermutant