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Battlezone: Supermutant vs Alberto

Alberto has Kent Nelson in control of Classic Dr. Fate and Green Lantern Alan Scott.

Supermutant has Worthy Thor Odinson, and Loki the god of mischief.

Three post limit, no self bfr, 2 min prep, standard gear except for allowed prep, no summons of independent thought creatures or armies allowed. Fight on the moon 50 ft apart, win by death, ko, or incapacitation.

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my op:

First we go invisible
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/.../fFFxA...Ic42/RCO019.jpg

We look into the future and every possible strategy your team might use will be known by my team
And knows how to counter or avoid them easily
https://imgur.com/a/voCzTxh

Which travels 60 trillion light years in a half second and was stated to cover infinite distance
https://imgur.com/a/4ItMCn2

Here again we see him easily avoids pre crisis supes and jonn blitzing at him
https://imgur.com/a/Z1zMs6I

This same Superman was crossing universes in a matter of seconds
https://imgur.com/a/bdiHerM

Alan easily catch up to Jesse quick going at her fastest
https://imgur.com/a/TXot4or

This same Jesse was showed to have surpassed hunter in speed back in #8
https://imgur.com/a/nEU8OmZ

https://imgur.com/a/9Oh3fxU

https://imgur.com/a/pUFT6Hv

In his first Arc while fighting Wally
Pc Superman was totally frozen
https://imgur.com/a/gEGi85e

In final crisis we see Superman catching up to reality blitzing missiles that were meant to sterilize universes
https://imgur.com/a/PNjFzGv

https://imgur.com/a/4YSL7vU

With my team proven to be way faster than
Once we reach the opposing team
We paralyze them even tho they wouldn't even be able to to react to our (my) team's speed
https://imgur.com/a/LCp5I5O

https://imgur.com/a/hPnfIoT

Alan ages both to dust
https://imgur.com/a/2kUZgHE

https://imgur.com/a/6k0dhGb

Not only is my team much faster and versatile
But also way more powerful
So whatever stunt tries to pull
He'll have to prove they will work on beings on my team's level in terms of actual power or it shall be considered a no limit fallacy thus won't be counted :

Dr fate' s power is felt In two universes
https://imgur.com/a/PpFqUX6

Easily manhandles two multiversal threats
https://imgur.com/a/mxRXZJ8

https://imgur.com/a/TwvKByS

Survived getting slammed through an infinity amount of dimensions
https://imgur.com/a/RQM7ZC1

https://imgur.com/a/uyY1C0B

Spectre confirmed fate's his equal during pre crisis
https://imgur.com/a/Oc3Nbcg

Who's mere aura warps the multiverse
https://imgur.com/a/LPuGxLq

Eclipso who stole mere fragments of the starheart from Alan killed crispus Allen
https://imgur.com/a/GxsrIHV

https://imgur.com/a/3aj0Sak

https://imgur.com/a/9IpjZyx

Crispus Allen while greatly weakened warps reality on a multiversal scale
https://imgur.com/a/LBidjZA

And easily undo his action
https://imgur.com/a/oCJI24I

When Cain said creation he was referring to multiverse
https://imgur.com/a/rYSz0zD

Summary: my has future knowledge on the other team's strategy
And thus my team could easily counter or avoid any attack unleashed by team Thor
Both alan and Dr fate a way more faster and powerful at least multiversal + as I showcase
Supermutant will have to prove his attacks would work on beings on that level or we'll just consider it a no limit fallacy
Till then I rest my case here

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Just to add we have a signature bet or 8 months ban on the line, depending on who loses this BZ. More on this stipulation later. Also judges are to be determined.

So unlike Alberto, I will take full advantage of the 2 minutes of prep. Thor will summon his battle armor complete with his belt of power.

https://imgur.com/vQobYCm

Thor’s belt doubles his strength which is a nice bonus.

https://imgur.com/tXlYR78

And the version of his battle armor that I’m using even increases the might of Mjolnir, because of the Odin force infused in it.

https://imgur.com/r8fFN3F

Not to be outdone Loki will use the prep time to get armor too, the Asgardian Destroyer. Even without a body and floating aimlessly in limbo Loki was able to inhabit the Destroyer. The form of kid Loki was able to control the Destroyer also. In this battle Loki will be controlling the Destroyer from the inside.

https://imgur.com/a/eGlb0fh
https://imgur.com/a/K4H8W25

Loki in the Destroyer has the power to challenge and even kill its creator Odin.

https://imgur.com/FIU6flH

Loki will also summon the Norn Stones during prep, 2 min is more than enough time. Loki has already amped Thor along with the rest of Avengers during the Siege arc using the stones. So he will amp Thor again and himself here. The amp allowed the Avengers to fight against the Void, after Loki used the stones to revive them all from the Void’s attack.

https://imgur.com/a/e3r3Ddw

And finally during prep Loki will summon the shadow blade, and give it to Thor like in the below scans. Thor was able to slay Surtur by merging Mjolnir with the shadow blade. This will be used as a backup plan.

https://imgur.com/a/nUydy0n

At the start of the match Loki raises shields, and Thor’s first move is to nullify the magic of Alberto’s team.

https://imgur.com/6KKhiMO
https://imgur.com/s7VrKep

Mjolnir will create a cone around Dr. Fate and GL Alan which will “negate all mystical energy.” Which means not only will Dr. Fate be powerless, but so will Alan because his power comes from the magical energies of the Starheart.

https://imgur.com/cwzGoE1

While Loki casts a spell not only to significantly weaken Dr. Fate, but to add that stolen power to his own. Loki performs this spell then immediately gets in the Destroyer.

https://imgur.com/TU7QJ1F

And this is very combat effective as seen below with how quickly Loki absorbed the magic of Nobilus. Who had both Thor and Loki's combination of powers.

https://imgur.com/lSS019r

As a side note, good luck to Alberto’s team trying to survive on the moon as normal humans without any protections. Lol

But I will not leave their fate up to chance, Thor will bring down massive lightning bolts on top of their heads for at least a KO. And Loki will blast them with the Destroyer, as Alberto’s team will be easy targets with their magical powers negated.

Plus Mjolnir could always just absorb Alan’s energy and multiply it by a 100. Then blasts Fate with it who is still not shielded. Also there are other avenues thanks to Alberto’s OP for victory but these should suffice for now.

https://imgur.com/I1Xhy8A
https://imgur.com/XGLsMCX

So let’s recap the top 5 major mistakes of Alberto that will lead to his absolute defeat.
1. Nothing done with prep
2. No shields even attempted
3. Wasted opening move of invisibility b/c Mjolnir tracks energy.
5. While Alberto’s team is busy looking into the future their magic is being nullified in the present, leaving his team powerless and at my mercy.lol

His mistakenly claimed speed advantage is negated by his own inaction in his opening moves. His team doesn’t even immediately move from their starting location.

Perhaps the funniest or most ironic thing about Alberto’s OP is that he claimed I will make a no limit fallacy argument.Yet the the crux of his plan and argument is exactly that, a no limit fallacy without any proof of it working:

quote:
We look into the future and every possible strategy your team might use will be known by my team
And knows how to counter or avoid them easily
https://imgur.com/a/voCzTxh


Except his scan shows no counters or plans to avoid anything lol. All it showed was that Fate and Alan saw 3,000 horrible future scenarios from Obsidian and Jade being in close proximity to each other. Here’s the real kicker though, they didn’t even see the real future that actually happen in which Obsidian and Jade were able to hug each other without fear of merging into one being.lol

https://imgur.com/z3C4wob

This is too funny. So according to Alberto’s main plan and his own scan for proof of said plan working, Fate and Alan will spend time looking at possible strategies my team might use against them. But my team will not be utilizing any of those possible strategies. Because my actual strategy is currently defeating them in the present.

It’s remarkable how Alberto’s ineptitude continues to amaze me. So, I’m going to help him out here because the below scan of Superman, MM, and Fate is from an 80’s action figure toy line mini comic that is not canon at all.lol

https://imgur.com/a/Z1zMs6I

And here is the proof.

http://onceuponageek.com/2009/08/25...th-anniversary/

This actually helps Alberto out somewhat. Because if you continue to scroll down on the link, you will see a mind-controlled Superman casually backhanding an unsuspecting Dr. Fate into a 1-shot ko. You will also see Desaad defeating him with a vibro-shocker gadget.lol So yeah all those Super Powers collection comics from the toy company Kenner are not in continuity to say the least. All those Superman speed feats are irrelevant anyways b/c they belong to Clark and not Fate.

Alan Scott is in no way close to Jesse Quick in combat speed or Jay Flash for that matter. She blitzes a more powerful version than in this bz below.

https://imgur.com/0hKl633
https://imgur.com/mZERV1p

And a mind-controlled Jay Flash almost speed blitzes Alan to death. Alan does not have many impressive combat speed showings.

https://imgur.com/DjeBrsm

Mjolnir will be moving at a speed far greater than light during this fight, eliminating whatever speed advantages Alberto thought he had.

https://imgur.com/AXQ5ffD
https://imgur.com/oC2wxtn
https://imgur.com/f0VhNcY

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Once we reach the opposing team
We paralyze them even tho they wouldn't even be able to to react to our (my) team's speed
https://imgur.com/a/LCp5I5O
https://imgur.com/a/hPnfIoT
Alan ages both to dust
https://imgur.com/a/2kUZgHE
https://imgur.com/a/6k0dhGb


These are the only two attacks stated by Alberto that he will use, paralyzing my team with energy and magic. Followed by aging them to dust. Which is great for me because Mjolnir eats paralyzing magical energy on the run easily. And Thor is heavily resistant to rapid aging attacks.

https://imgur.com/dSZlVe2
https://imgur.com/nXj0xe0

Decay’s touch instantly ages, rots, kills, and destroys everything. But Thor is immune to it.

https://imgur.com/a/tJjoOiP

A membrane that instantly ages one to dust, cannot affect Thor.

https://imgur.com/d5h0t88
https://imgur.com/6wJeZvs

So the same type of attacks that Alberto will use are not effective against my team. But my magical nullification sphere will be his undoing. Have at thee!

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1. I wanna say the OP said no amps or outside amps, so how is Battle armor, the shadow blade, Destroyer, and the normstones not outside help/equipments???


2. How powerful is this socery?
Also can mjolnir absorbs an infinite amount of energy? I'm not asking for universal level energy absorption
I want multiversal and beyond

His power is inconceivable to 5d entities like ultra humanite fused with thunder bolt
Who at the time was stated to wield an unlimited amount of 5d energy
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It also funny how you showed counter for Thor and not Loki
So you killed him right there

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You didn't get my strategies did you?
Remember I told you I had future knowledge on how you'll fight
With my team's speed we'll check every possible future before your team will even wink an eye
Also what are you gonna nullify?
A power that's prolly infinite and could be scaled beyond?

First supermutant may think I'm left off guard but what he doesn't realize that whatever move he tries to pull will be known to my team
https://imgur.com/a/syrQE4I

And since he's capable of multi tasking
https://imgur.com/a/C3p82Sh

Proceeds to create clones to counter any attack :
Counters below
https://imgur.com/a/07Bbl1v

So since he said Thor will send mjolnir to eliminate my team
First this hammer is so slow
As stated by the scan he posts which says goes across the galaxy and back in 60 seconds <<<<<outracing the entire big bang which moves 60 trillion light years in half a second and stated to cover infinite distance. Or speed which is greater than blitzing through reality as I posted earlier
But nvm let's counter this
https://imgur.com/a/wlJYegi

As we see here Dr fate twists time and space and will just redirect thus destroying their own shield or weakening it
https://imgur.com/a/fuIQ3ip

While the clones will be taking care of the attacks unleashed by Amin's team
Dr fate will be making Alan and himself immune to magical attacks
Thus all of your team's moves are useless except for the hitting (physical)aspect which will also prove futile since my team have tanked way worse
https://imgur.com/a/fyxtxDy

counters:


1. Alan wasn't even trying
He was literally toying with them
He wanted them to hit him

He wanted them to hit him:
https://imgur.com/a/x0SFbO9

https://imgur.com/a/zwWQ9Ne

https://imgur.com/a/mnQcyl8

Alan was no selling her punches in the scan you showed
In the next panel
He confirmed he let them live this long cause it amused him
Next we see everybody getting clapped
Why didn't Jesse avoided/outrace it?
https://imgur.com/a/kAE188m

Also even if we considered your false claim true
It wouldn't discredit this scan cause for all we know she got faster than she was and this scan shows she was(just like she got faster than hunter who was way faster than she was) moving at her fastest
https://imgur.com/a/Sf7U3cW

In the flash blitz storyline which came out in 2004 or 3
She was no match for hunter and had to give her speed to Wally to take down hunter
And in the Justice society 2007 we her moving faster than hunter
So the speed of speed force users mostly increase as time goes on
So even if we consider your claim true which isn't
You still fail

https://imgur.com/a/DFXncV4



2. What's ironic is how you accuse me of not reading comic and you do
I've read every Justice society run to have ever existed in PC
This isn't even Jay

This was the spirit king who possessed Jay

https://imgur.com/a/QUcEjpq
https://imgur.com/a/CYfc5A1


Two issues earlier we saw this same guy without even possessing jay(base) manhandled Hal Jordan as the spectre until
The spectre force itself took control and ate him alive
https://imgur.com/a/3pAqsos
https://imgur.com/a/LY4wMZc
https://imgur.com/a/22NR3hJ
https://imgur.com/a/KO2I8tU

He literally took away his redemption powers
https://imgur.com/a/ydxSkPb

Last I checked. As a spirit of redemption Hal easily created a Nexus to all dimensions and reality across time and space
https://imgur.com/a/J1uGe2Y
https://imgur.com/a/LO6mmVv
https://imgur.com/a/xjdoHUz

Thor is not immune to aging
The it's because of his life span as an Asgardian


He was aged 700 yrs in an instant
Far greater than 700 yrs? What 3000 or 4000 or at least 8000
But it's all pointless if you read my scans
https://imgur.com/a/kbKW3Xn

First of all Alan won't just stop
He'll just set the aging process till they age to dust
https://imgur.com/a/2moZfAK

So I'll advice you read my scans well
As we see here 10,000 years passed in a matter of seconds and considering the speed my team will be attacking with
They'll be aged to dust instantaneously
https://imgur.com/a/DDxgIQl

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A more accurate depiction of my team. As Thor is amped twice with odin-force armor and norn stones, both which also increase the might of mjolnir. And Loki has the norn stones along with being in the Destroyer for much of the match. Now it seems like Alberto needs help understanding the rules that he posted in the OP.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
1. I wanna say the OP said no amps or outside amps, so how is Battle armor, the shadow blade, Destroyer, and the normstones not outside help/equipments???


1. I will say that the OP does not in any way limit outside amps that can occur during prep. How do I know this you may ask? Because I read the OP that Alberto himself posted lol.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Three post limit, no self bfr, 2 min prep, standard gear except for allowed prep, no summons of independent thought creatures or armies allowed. Fight on the moon 50 ft apart, win by death, ko, or incapacitation.


So yeah everything I used during prep is allowed under the rules that we agreed to, that Alberto (the best debater) Avil posted himself. I’m starting to think that he doesn’t even read his own posts. Now it's time to systematically destroy all of his ridiculous claims once again.

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
my op:
First we go invisible
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/.../fFFxA...Ic42/RCO019.jpg


Like stated previously going invisible is useless, because Mjolnir tracks energy signatures.

https://imgur.com/NN0HT1V

Just as an example of its scope, Mjolnir can even track between the alternating planes of reality. So Alberto certainly cannot hide here.

https://imgur.com/87kvVpy

Below Mantis senses and invisible and intangible Dr. Fate, whom he precedes to one-shot with a standard blast. This proves that Dr Fate’s magic energy can be tracked with terrible results for him, which is exactly what is happening in this BZ. Also proves that it doesn’t take a multiversal attack to defeat him, especially by opponents with magic nullifying and siphoning abilities.

https://imgur.com/aIP8Kus

Also Mantis showed how Dr Fate’s magic can be absorbed, and then turn back against him.

https://imgur.com/uvLfSrs

And how the absorbed magic of Dr Fate can be used against his teammates.

https://imgur.com/HQaxShY
https://imgur.com/jKPdEws

Which is precisely what Loki does with a spell in his first attack in this BZ. Here is another example of this, Loki takes godstorm power and adds it to his own growing in size and might.

https://imgur.com/Zyuk7Iy
https://imgur.com/GCOK4kO

Loki has shields that can keep the Void out, and my opponent has not shown how his team will get through them. Loki was dressed as the Sorcerer Supreme there, but it was just an illusion. As seen in the second scan it was just a trick that even fooled Dr. Strange, which is pretty good. Not to mention how well the Destroyer does against magical spells and attacks itself.

https://imgur.com/4iZ1UgE
https://imgur.com/ApXDjB5

Even Loki using his most powerful magic directly against it can’t even affect it. Alberto has yet to prove how Fate or Alan could even slightly affect the Destroyer.

https://imgur.com/k5HZgwn
https://imgur.com/B3tsn2G

Let’s remember that a weakened Loki just in spirit form was more powerful than Classic Sorcerer Supreme Doctor Strange. Not only did Loki trick him easily, but he also straight up beat him in a magical duel. Dr. Strange was at Loki’s mercy until Loki fled from Thor. So a less powerful than normal Loki was able to counter all of Dr. Strange’s magic inside his Sanctum Sanctorum. That’s not good news for Dr. Fate taking on an amped Loki who is inside the Destroyer.

https://imgur.com/a/lLPJzOo

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
It also funny how you showed counter for Thor and not Loki
So you killed him right there

LOL Unlike you, I established Loki’s obvious counters during prep. The Asgardian Destroyer was created and enchanted by Odin and each skyfather gave it a fraction of their power. So good luck aging it to dust lol, not to mention that your team is immediately nullified and drained of their magical energy.

https://imgur.com/dRi5Yoe
https://imgur.com/HBoyDaz

Even as a teenager Loki has reversed the Enchantress spell that paralyzed Sif.

https://imgur.com/iOHPlfw
https://imgur.com/QGMZjF9

And even when petrified himself by Seth the serpent god in Seth’s dimension, Loki was able to break free. Loki even makes light of being imprisoned that way. “If I only had a bag of gold for everytime someone imprisoned me in an inanimate state--!” So even if that attack got through Loki’s shield, the Destroyer, and mjolnir, Loki would still be able to easily counter it and free himself plus Thor.

https://imgur.com/ln3xtvC
https://imgur.com/yIbPs6i

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Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
You didn't get my strategies did you?
Remember I told you I had future knowledge on how you'll fight
With my team's speed we'll check every possible future before your team will even wink an eye


You don’t get your own strategies or even comprehend the scans you post. I’m sure that the judges will agree that having both your team members look into the future without being shielded or having any sort of effective defense, was a death nail for you. You are basically a sitting duck lol. You have given no proof of how long this would take. Again you are not even checking just a few likely outcomes, you are checking all possible futures. And my team is certainly not standing around checking their facebook pages waiting for you to finish your future explorations. Your magic is being nullified immediately at the very start of our match. You are never given a chance to regroup or recover. You are never given a chance to put into action whatever you may have learned in the future, if you had the time.

Also, your scan of Dr Fate existing in two places simultaneously is of Hector Hall and not Kent Nelson. And it was only possible because the Tower of Fate exists in all realities. So Nabu had to take Hector in astral form to the Tower of Fate to accomplish this, meaning you would have just BFR yourself against the rules lol. But I am not opposed if you still want to allow that scan.

https://imgur.com/a/EEsv1Vh

Here’s a question for you Alberto, what is the lifespan of an immortal half asgardian half elder god? While you ponder that with your infinite wisdom check this out. Below the Time-Twisters who can de-aged or aged others into dust very quickly, cannot affect Thor or the Warriors Three because of their asgardian heritage.

https://imgur.com/a/6S9BOCd

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/timetwisters.htm

So Alberto the exact same type of attack that you are trying here, has already been completely ineffective against both Thor and Loki unamped with just their normal power. And even if you had a chance to create clones with Dr Fate, Loki can do the same.

https://imgur.com/BynJtYg

Nothing Alberto can do will stop mjolnir, not even a black hole.

https://imgur.com/4rTN4MW

And Thor can easily teleport mjolnir back to him, wherever it may be on the battlefield.

https://imgur.com/yS3XkTN
https://imgur.com/wFkFV45

The rest of Alberto’s post is filled with irrelevant and out of context scans as usual. He still has yet to show one legitimate combat speed feat for Alan. He attempted to show a false one:

quote: (post)
Originally posted by AlbertoJohnAvil
Alan easily catch up to Jesse quick going at her fastest
https://imgur.com/a/TXot4or


Alan did not catch up to Jesse, nor was there any evidence that Jesse was going at her fastest. Alan was already there prepared for what Blitzkreig would attempt. Because Mr. Terrific told his team exactly how they were ambushed previously in an alternative reality, that only he remembered. I have all the relevant scans with the clear and proper context linked below, where you can see precisely for yourself. Alberto I have told you many times that simply pasting from a respect thread will always come back to bite you.

https://imgur.com/a/SDFbKVT

Spectre beat Dr Fate and Spectre’s power level varies, batkick anyone lol. Even Nabu himself was easily defeated by Spectre in Day of Vengeance arc. Loki has also been compared in power to Dormammu, but platitudes aren’t worth much in a BZ..

https://imgur.com/a/0KIEp8N
https://imgur.com/tvPBcQ3
https://imgur.com/Onzjmub

Finally below mjolnir absorbs the galaxy destroying energies of a null bomb in 5 seconds. GL Alan Scott will be absorbed in the same quick and complete manner.

https://imgur.com/a/LiOTYug

FYI Alberto, I’m saving the best for last.

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Thankfully this BZ is coming to close. Let’s look again at Alberto's biggest mistakes, of which there are many.

1. Nothing done with prep.
2. No shields or adequate defense.
3. His Sitting Duck Plan of looking at all possible futures is not effective in an ongoing fight.
4. Claims a speed advantage but doesn’t move from starting position until the fight is over.
5. All stated attacks have been ineffective and countered previously by Thor and Loki unamped.

Meanwhile the attacks I’m using (magic negation and power siphoning/draining) have defeated Alberto’s team decisively in the past. And they will defeat my opponents here as well because they have ample opportunity to perform such actions without any hindrance.

At this point not really much else to be argued, so I’ll just tidy up some things. Maybe Alberto will go buck wild and throw everything out there in his last post. But his defeat has already been sealed by his opening moves.

Thor’s lightning can even break spells from Dr Strange.

https://imgur.com/IEQb5T1
https://imgur.com/t6yjHJi

Once again Thor resist time manipulation that causes rapid ageing, due to being an “immortal born.” And Tempus is quite powerful possessing many abilities including vast time manipulation powers.

https://imgur.com/hq3gqMe
https://imgur.com/lwRzGmo
https://villains.fandom.com/wiki/Tempus_(Marvel)

Mjolnir wants energy so mjolnir eats until full. And mjolnir have never been shown to be completely full.

https://imgur.com/a/HPVSlXE
https://imgur.com/a/DvQ1ha8
https://imgur.com/qI49aro

This deserves special recognition as Glory was the embodiment of an entire pantheon of gods. Ten thousand entities and the worlds they came from all existed within Glory. So Glory blasted Thor with a torrent of cosmic fire that contained all of its power. Thor raised mjolnir absorbed it, and rechanneled it back at Glory defeating it. The same thing will happen here except once Alan is absorbed he gets rechanneled back at Dr. Fate.

https://imgur.com/a/kOyNlGq

My plan has not changed since the OP. Thor will use Mjolnir to create a cone around my opponents negating their magical power. Loki will also perform a spell to take Dr. Fate's power for himself. Then Thor and Loki will blast them with lightning and the Destroyer beams respectively. If that doesn't work Mjolnir will absorbing Alan's green flame, multiply it an hundred times and blast Dr. Fate with it. Alberto has already declared to us how powerful GL Alan Scott is. Loki will continue to shoot beams of destruction from the Destroyer. If all else fails Thor will merge Mjolnir with the shadow blade and use it to kill Alberto's team. While Loki will still be blasting them from safely inside the destroyer.

And don’t worry Alberto, I’m getting your new signature ready.

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First of all, I wanna thank both of you for picking characters that I'm not terribly familiar with (yes, even Thor, who i only know from Avengers books). It means I get to approach it in a way that removes any bias where I might know something about a certain character that could affect my opinion. I know it wasn't intentional, but it's appreciated nonetheless.

Now, Alberto, a word of advice: You need to be really, really specific when it comes to OPs in the tourney forums. Loopholes have caused all sorts of shenanigans in the past, and to be fair to Supermutant, his summoning of that extra gear didn't (imo) break the letter of the rules you had set out, even if they did break the spirit or intent of them. You should see the shit some of the guys on the forum used to pull because of rules not being thorough enough.

Okay, full disclosure: I wasn't sold on either plan. Some of the links didn't work for me, or what was stated by the description didn't seem to match up with what I was seeing, but for the most part the basic idea was explained well enough that I feel like I got the gist either way.

What swung it for me was that in the end, it felt like if either plan went wrong, it was Supermutant's one that could recover more easily. Alberto's left too much up to chance, even if I did enjoy his kind of abstract "i'll just go in to the future and try to predict every way you might win" strategy.

So yes, long story short, Supermutant by a small margin. I usually hate reading through numerous posts like this, but you both made it entertaining, even if the banter was a bit rough.


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Initially when I was asked to judge, I brought up some misgivings I had with their prep rules. I was privy luckily to their messages to each other and it looks like both parties eventually came to an agreement. K now on to their match.

Alberto - Now if I read this right, Alberto did nothing with prep(?). He relied on his team's "speed" to execute his game plan. Gameplan being the learning of future scenarios then immobilizing the opposing team that leaves them open for the kill. There's also the aforementioned prep debacle which only compounds the problem of the lack of prep with team Alberto. Unfortunately it seems the BZ posting had ended and team Dr. Fate/Alan Scott did not further clarify their position with the lack of prep.
There were other things I wasn't sold on with this team besides the lack of prep like combat speed. A lot of equating and attaching from other character's feats were used. I think not enough was shown on this point to allow for the proper execution of the game plan. I could go on but....

Supermutant - You took the time to actually set up things during prep. Honestly I feel you should have really clarified the bz rules with your counterpart before any posts were given, but in the end he did eventually agree to go on, but i digress...
So u had a plan. It was pretty clear and straightforward. Prep gave you some pretty substantial upgrades. Alberto did nothing to refute such upgrades except for briefly pointing out their validity, but ultimately allowing them. Although I did not buy that bit with the shadow blade. That is too far fetched within two minutes. You would have needed Surt and his twilight sword to recreate that blade and as far as i know that blade is gone. Sorry, gotta draw the line somewhere. But for the most part your upgrades are a go.

So the match starts and Doc Fate/Alan turn invisible and look into possible scenarios. All the while they are getting bombarded by an amped team Thor/Loki. Err... Irrelevant scans aside from both sides, I think the opening was almost game set match in favor of Supermutant. Even if things didn't go exactly according to team Thor/Loki's way from the onset, their significant head start, amps, and better explained counters seemed more feasible. Team Dr Fate/Alan Scott didnt show enough in the rebuttals or enough rebuttals even...

There really is no other choice but, Supermutant here.


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Thanks judges for very timely verdicts. Now Alberto prepare yourself for a new signature as a consequence of your defeat.

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Congrats, Supermutant.


And I have to give props to Alberto as well. You showed a massive improvement compared to your last BZs. Well done. thumb up


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Thanks galan, very much appreciated ! big grin

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