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!!!Herald Tourney: FINAL!!! Philosophia vs. Martian_mind vs. Supermutant
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Galan007
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Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

!!!Herald Tourney: FINAL!!! Philosophia vs. Martian_mind vs. Supermutant

CHARACTERS:
  • Philosophia: O.M.A.C. and Dr. Polaris
  • Martian_mind: Loki and Atlas (DC)
  • Supermutant: Stardust and The Atom



STIPS:
  • This will obviously be a 3-way battle between the contestants.
  • Three posts are allotted to each contestant (1 opener, 1 rebuttal, and 1 final.)
  • Fight takes place on an indestructible Earth.
  • Prep-time is limited solely to creating shields.
  • Starting distance is 0.5km.
  • No BFR.
  • Judges tbd.


__________________


"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."

Old Post Jul 31st, 2020 10:26 PM
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Galan007
|Quantum Observer|

Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

Philosophia's OP:


Hello everybody!

Here we are. At last.

Judges, before you start analyzing the match, there is one fundamental thing to keep in mind:

The choreography

It is very important in a match with 3 posters and six characters to keep track of what everybody is doing consecutively -- don't let the trees distract you from the forrest.

Before the match

Nothing new here.

Polaris proceeds to make magnetic shields around himself and OMAC. To refresh your memory from the semifinals: physically immobilizes Power Girl for hours [https://imgur.com/a/opkoEcF, https://ibb.co/n0fGB9f], Hal and multiple GLs can't get through with their energy attacks [https://imgur.com/a/OaCRBu5], Maxima can't get through it with her psionics [https://imgur.com/a/e6QzfZW] etc.

And then...

Ready, set......go!

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Polaris instantly attacks and eliminates Palmer. Being a very vulnerable human, with a thought I immediately sabotage his belt which is made of circuits [https://i.imgur.com/v7CGhfZ.jpg] and kill him by exploding lungs[https://ibb.co/4SF5fNm]/the iron in his blood [#1 https://ibb.co/YB0TZHG #2 https://ibb.co/pbKQjdr https://ibb.co/MSfbJXV #3 https://ibb.co/TgbWP1V]

Those circuits in his belt I mentioned, with which he's against the master of electromagnetism [lol]? They've also been hacked [https://i.imgur.com/U7ZfYnH.jpg, https://i.imgur.com/CV357RE.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Y0uv5Yv.jpg]. So not only does Polaris instantly render it useless, but at the same time OMAC's technopathy stops it from functioning through his A.I.
Some examples out of a dozen:
https://ibb.co/1Gy68DQ
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https://ibb.co/GsxGz6K

In short:
Atom will instantly be killed and have his belt rendered inert by, on one side, Polaris, and on the other side, OMAC A.I.'s technopathy.

It's like stabbing in the heart, shooting in the head and setting the same thing on fire, I know -- but since I can overkill it from multiple angles, I will do so.

Next? Well, it depends on how the match proceeds.

Some things that we know will happen for certain:
- Stardust will get vaporized, either by me or by Loki, as Storm has easily done so:
https://ibb.co/8MgW1qM
https://ibb.co/kh3YhsP

Or gets KOd by OMAC [and Atlas -- for more info why Atlas is near Stardust read the end of my post, lol]. BRB has restrainer her with his leg and KOd her:
https://imgur.com/a/8XBRew5

But wait -- Stardust reforms, right? Well, one little known fact about Stardust is that its reforming is based on the electromagnetism:
https://ibb.co/6P50C47
https://ibb.co/Kh0tNdZ
Polaris will make it so that it never reforms again.

Unfortunately, Stardust is a sitting duck. With Atom out of the picture she has nowhere to hide. Her shields are featless, she has litereally zero defense against any of Loki's stuff and with Atom out of the picture, it's a wrap. I don't need to lift a finger.

So, there's one really big problem in the match.

Loki

Unfortunately for Loki, he will be too overwhelmed to make spells, as he has been before:

https://i.imgur.com/BjgrOH2.jpg

By magnetic storms which would sap his energy and focus:

https://ibb.co/pP9Cdk9
https://ibb.co/TkqqkDK

Even more tragic for him, his body is entirely vulnerable to my magnetic abilities:
https://i.imgur.com/kFkjIJi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1jjINUl.jpg

And once I grip him, he is rendered useless:
https://i.imgur.com/J9vIGd3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8m5i68U.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/YancPfw.jpg

Polaris can easily match that, given his power finess:
https://ibb.co/jMcpjpJ
https://ibb.co/7jK2z65
https://ibb.co/b6fdgMZ
to recap:
- Polaris can detect the vibrational frequency of beings in the Earth's magnetic lines, manipulate magnetic vibrations from an entire different location, attune his shield to specific algorithms that counter an abstract energy being.

I will also lobotomize Loki:
https://imgur.com/a/DXfXcHa

Also, let's look at Loki.
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Is that a metal helmet against the master of magnetism? Oh....

Well, time to crush.

Loki is too overwhelmed to do anything, immobilized, lobotomized [both magnetically and physically using his helmet] and OMAC starts beating the shit out of him [reminder: #1 At least as strong as Superman, https://ibb.co/Nsrx21t much stronger than Power Girl: https://ibb.co/gSFj020, https://ibb.co/r4hT0qm, https://ibb.co/M952SvR], blast him with energy projection, and, you guessed it, teleport his limbs off:
https://ibb.co/87yQnVv

But...did we forget somebody? The mighty Atlas? No. If at the point I engage him Stardust is still alive, I use Atlas as a mental pinata, filling his insides:
https://ibb.co/jLQgMsn
https://ibb.co/PmgVsCb
https://ibb.co/qRmq92V
And just move him to beat the shit out of Stardust, lol. Once I have no need of him, I choke him unconscious, shut his brain down, teleport his limbs off [trademark]. I will also never let him engage OMAC himself in a physical slugfest since his mobility and consciousness is under my control [also, teleportation]

In summary:
- Atom dies instantly, his belt is rendered useless
- Stardust is either one-shotted by Loki against whom she has no defense against, or his body is shattered and I keep it from reforming
- Loki gets Polaris'd
- Atlas is my beach ball


__________________


"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."

Old Post Jul 31st, 2020 10:27 PM
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Galan007
|Quantum Observer|

Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

Martian_mind's OP:


Alright folks, here we are. The grand final, a three-way duel to the death. The competition is fierce, both characters and posters boasting years of experience, and sound, tactical minds. It should prove a most interesting match, and I can only hope that we deliver. So, without further ado-


During the prep, Loki raises his shields around himself and Atlas-
https://imgur.com/a/2G9E1

This is only a precaution, however, because as soon as the match starts, Loki is teleporting himself and Atlas to the other side of the planet.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#27
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#49

(This isn’t self-BFR. The entire planet is our battlefield. I’m simply making use of it).

Of course, Phil and Mutant won’t know I’m gone, as there will be illusions left in in my wake.
https://imgur.com/a/ygA3C

So, this leaves Phildo and Mutant on the other side of the planet, slaughtering each other, while I have time to scheme. A dangerous thing, for the God Mischief.

First, I launch a mental assault on Dr. Polaris. Loki can do this from a dimension away-
https://imgur.com/a/WmrZU
-so the distance is no issue. Now, Dr. Polaris has a weak mind as it is, so what happens when you combine a mental assault so powerful it takes all Dr. Strange has to block it, and combine it with the strain of battling Stardust and the Atom?

Dr. Polaris goes down, reduced to Dr. Potato.


Next on the list is Stardust. A herald of Galactus, sure, but by no means the most powerful. That would probably be the Silver Surfer, who Loki has easily matched in power and manipulated.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#15
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#16
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#18
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#19
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#21
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#22
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#23


If Loki is enough of a match for Surfer that he can literally spend the fight testing and goading him, then he can take anything Stardust sends his way. That is assuming that Stardust can find him through the illusions, teleporting and invisibility. Of course, to do that, Stardust is going to have survive the initial telepathic assault that Loki will send his way. Unfortunately for Stardust, he doesn’t have much to show in regard to telepathic resistance. Ruh Roh.

Now, here’s where it gets both fun, and dull. You see, with their big guns dead, my opponents have no means with which to threaten me. Omac is too slow and ponderous, despite his teleportation, and Atom simply cannot get to me. He lacks the means of transportation. So, let’s deal with them, shall we?


Now, first off, I’ll simply amp Atlas’ power. Loki has done it to numerous characters, at no detriment to himself.
https://imgur.com/a/EKVmX
https://imgur.com/a/nGydN
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#46


So it is both easy and quick to do. So, based on the above scans, we can assume that Atlas will now be somewhere between two to a thousand times more powerful than before, which comfortably puts him above Omac, as he could hang with Superman, Krypto, and one-shot Steel before.
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-678?id=16364#5
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-678?id=16364#6
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-678?id=16364#7
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...678?id=16364#19
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...678?id=16364#20
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...678?id=16364#21
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-679?id=16366#2
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-679?id=16366#3
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-679?id=16366#4
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...-679?id=16366#5
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#13
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#17
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#18
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#19
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#20
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#21
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Su...679?id=16366#22


So, I COULD just beat Omac to death with Atlas, but to be on the safe side, Loki will also be attacking him mentally, a threat to which both Brother eye and OMAC are vulnerable-
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/O-...e-3?id=18373#14

Of course, I could also transmute him into a snow or something, to make things even easier.
https://imgur.com/a/eNZQ0
…so yeah, Omac is done. No real struggle.


Now, this just leaves the Atom, assuming someone hasn’t killed him already.

While not exciting, this is just a waiting game. My two characters are immortal, the Atom is not. My characters can turn invisible, teleport and create illusions. The Atom has not. We don’t NEED to go on the offensive here. We can, however, find him wherever he is. Loki has done spells of searching before, ones that can easily bridge dimensions and space-
https://imgur.com/a/WmrZU

So, finding the Atom in whatever tiny refuge he’s claimed will be no true issue, should we wish to attack.

And that’s the gist of it, really. Of all these competitors, I am by far the most versatile, and well-equipped to end this. Will any of our plans work perfectly? Perhaps not. This is after all a contest with six herald-level participants. What that means, ultimately, is that the victory MUST go to the team that is the most adaptable, the most varied and cunning.

And only one of these teams has the God of Mischief on their side.


__________________


"I am tired of Earth. These people.
I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."

Old Post Jul 31st, 2020 10:29 PM
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Galan007
|Quantum Observer|

Gender: Male
Location: Mars, 1985

Supermutant's OP:


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My Low-Key 2 in 1 man plan. First prep shields of course. Then the Atom shrinks them both, Stardust to subatomic level and himself even smaller, and goes inside Stardust. Stardust goes inside the Earth’s crust. And since the whole Earth is the battlefield this is not a self BFR, since my team is still there just on the inside of it.

The result being that My team is intangible, weightless, and subatomic or smaller, plus hidden inside the planet. And this happens instantly.
https://imgur.com/A0IUOmU

Below the Atom shrinks down to nothingness. I’m not going to bfr myself so the Atom shrinks to almost nothingness in this BZ and goes inside a subatomic Stardust.
https://imgur.com/nw6r9cK

Hulu has live sports and so does Stardust. Since Stardust can project live events, my team will know exactly what’s going on and will strike at the absolutely best time.
https://imgur.com/5yO5YUz

So basically my team consists of the smallest ghost-like living thing possible inside of a subatomically small faster than lightspeed ghost endued with the power cosmic, inside the earth. Judges please take note that this isn’t some cowardly hiding, this is a strategic stealth mission to scout what my opponents are doing and to make it much more likely that they fight each other first.
The Outcome:

O-Opponents fight to ko and/or death
M-Mountain crystal from Atlas is mine
A-Atom is like a virus ready to invade
C-Cosmic ash from my cosmic blasts

Stardust is the blueish upgraded version whose very touch caused Beta Ray Bill great pain, while she was just trying to reason with him. She can also reform instantly in mid combat as you can see she regenerates an arm.
https://imgur.com/S1z9lU4

Also she is very hard to damage in this form. Below she gets blasted by a Silver Surfer power cosmic amped Human Torch, then immediately resists the pull of two black holes.
https://imgur.com/b10tA1Y

Remember not only are they subatomic and smaller but also intangible, and weightless. My opponents will have to prove that they can even see me and find me.

Atom slipped through magnetic waves after his feet were magnetized to the floor. It doesn’t matter if Dr. Polaris amps from the South Pole, my team will simply slip through the magnetic waves.
https://imgur.com/UgebzuG
https://imgur.com/VUexWLs

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Let’s be clear, all shields are made up of something or else they wouldn’t be blocking anything. The very basic elements, molecules, particules, etc, that the shields are made of the Atom will be smaller than, weigh less than, have less mass than, and have less density then if needed. Whether it's a quark, photon, electron, the Atom has slipped through all of it. Judges, the Atom literally dances on the very molecules of electromagnetic energy. I hope a certain someone with such a magnetic personality doesn’t attempt to argue that his shield can block my team. Or maybe I do. Just look at how much smaller than half a photon the Atom is.
https://imgur.com/2ZCWSOK

Plus it would be a death sentence for Dr. Polaris to try and attack me (if he could even find me).
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Just like when the Human Bomb killed him by blowing him up, Stardust will blow the EM Spectrum out of Dr. Polaris’ rectum.
https://imgur.com/I9s5O1k
https://imgur.com/Wr9jqId

But Stardust doesn’t have to blow herself up, although she can instantly reform. Here she will use her weapon, a halberd (sort of an axe with a pole) that has matched Beta Ray Bill’s Stormbreaker in energy output. Notice that this is before her upgrade symbolized by her change in color to bright blue.
https://i.imgur.com/nZ2RF2z.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gcPz1Dy.jpg

It has also reduced incorporeal and intangible entities to cosmic ash so just imagine what it will do to flesh and blood opponents. And Loki will not be spared by becoming intangible. Also, she absorbed 53 living beings instantly and easily.
https://imgur.com/gallery/VciF6vJ

Dr Polaris already has holes in his shields without my team even going subatomic. He might as well have a welcome mat out. Plus I could just drain a teeny tiny fraction of energy if needed to open the smallest crevice to fit a subatomic intangible ftl ghost through.
https://imgur.com/W06kH7W

Dr. Polaris certainly is susceptible to being drained.
https://imgur.com/mykWSl5
https://imgur.com/5FbI6R7

It's very important to remember that the Atom has an automatic forcefield like defense around his atomic structure. My team has complete control over their molecular structure, so Loki can’t transmute them.
https://imgur.com/a/dRInYzS

Loki has major problems with the Heralds of Galactus. Firestorm resisted a magical attack from a Dormammu-Amped Loki that easily imprisoned Thor with mjolnir and his allies in a magical diamond. Thor and Co. were able to break free until Firestorm got the better of the significantly amped Loki before being interrupted.
https://imgur.com/a/LPvGsFP

Stardust is at least on the same level as Firestorm and other Heralds.
https://imgur.com/MheCvNq

Depowered Surfer (who couldn’t even leave the Earth) and not waiting to fight stalemated Loki and matched his godly power.
https://imgur.com/SbYntIa
https://imgur.com/2e8u7up

We all know that Loki is going to cast spells and use magic. The power cosmic alone offers protection against such which is why the Atom is inside Stardust. As evidenced by the Silver Surfer tanking w/o any damage a magical blast from the Norn Queen Karnilla. Karnilla is quite powerful and can stalemate Loki in magic.
https://imgur.com/a/XfEDaXi

So needless to say that Loki won’t be just waving his hands and casting a spell that Stardust can’t resist or defend against. Stardust is also a telepath and has resisted 53 beings inside of him trying to control and influence him. And this is before my team gets Atlas’ magical crystal.

I haven’t forgotten about the bricks, but OMAC and Atlas are the much lesser threats. So I can take care of them when it’s the most beneficial to me.

With OMAC it’s “off with his head” as the Atom will shrink his skull into nothingness just like below. The exact same way he defeated a bunch of Brother Eye infected drones. So no more input from Brother Eye more like Brother Bye Bye.
https://imgur.com/FzLpuzx
https://imgur.com/L10pImc

With Atlas my team is taking his power source away, immediately thereafter incapacitating him. The mountain crystal inside of Atlas’ body will become the Atom's, giving him a strong magical resistance to Loki. Just imagine the Atom with Atlas powers, and this will happen very quickly if Martian Mind leaves Atlas unshielded like in his previously BZ.
https://imgur.com/nPPPxSd
https://imgur.com/BHb85sr

The Atom has removed a mystical object from the brain of an superpowered Jimmy Olsen who was able to fight Darkseid. So taking the mountain crystal from Atlas will not be a problem.
https://imgur.com/ZxJaxXU
https://imgur.com/tHnhDZK

My speed advantage is huge, Stardust is the fastest character in this BZ by far. Completely unfazed and unharmed from performing a planet destroying blitz. Even if my opponents could find me, they certainly couldn’t react to my ftl blitz or even dream about catching me.
https://imgur.com/lJu2dmq
https://imgur.com/ieoDgn7
https://imgur.com/ejwS3Yy

Short Summary-
Prep Shields from Stardust-
Atom shrinks Stardust to subatomic and himself to almost nothingness (to avoid self BFR)-
Atom enters the body of Stardust-
My intangible, weightless, subatomic and smaller team of ghosts goes underground-
Using Stardust cosmic awareness to watch my opponents every move, they wait for the perfect opportunity to strike at FTL speed-
I’m looking specifically for any opportunity to take Atlas’ magical crystal from inside his body-
Everyone else wins a combination of internal black holes and cosmic blasts from Stardust that leaves them as burnt ash, or head shrunken into nothingness and body torn into two by an enlarging Atom-
https://imgur.com/ax2icpk
https://imgur.com/cf6N4zn

Also important to note that my attacks are defensive in nature at first, because my strategy is to have my opponents find and fight each other. Before I come in at the perfect time for whomever is left and destroy them. But since I’m watching my opponents the entire time, I can easily adjust and take one of them out first if it is necessary or advantageous to me, especially Atlas.

Phil’s team most likely won’t last long against Loki’s TP and magical spells. So it comes down to this, Judges I know you are asking yourselves right now:
Can Loki beat Supermutant’s team?

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I am tired of being caught in the tangle of their lives."

Old Post Jul 31st, 2020 10:29 PM
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Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"

Gender: Male
Location: Void



[I. The start of the match:]

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All throughout the starting strategy, I was thinking "Hmm. Who will try to attack me? Spells, power cosmic, physical force...What if they all come at once?"

Judges, honestly, I'm quite astonished at how well this has worked out, beyond my most wishful scenarios.

None of them engage me at all, leaving me to do whatever I want.

Well..don't mind if I will.



With Atom's belt at the word "GO!" instantly nullified and himself killed, supermutant's entire plan goes right out of the window.

I immediately know that Loki's mannequin challenge illusion is not there [take your pick here -- Polaris can sense it through the Earth's magnetic field [https://ibb.co/jMcpjpJ], not to mention I specifically go for Loki's helmet which is not there anymore and I'd know: https://ibb.co/DffRvkb etc.].

Knowing Loki is no longer there, I simply use OMAC's A.I. to teleport away to the South Pole and start absorbing it to amp myself.

To reiterate how powerful I get:
https://ibb.co/WFTN9M9
https://ibb.co/ZNB76v5
https://ibb.co/Tb7LW8Q
https://ibb.co/tBd83WF
https://ibb.co/YB0TZHG
https://ibb.co/4mg890M

And I start making these shields:
https://i.ibb.co/PYwwts4/NqYmq7I.jpg
https://ibb.co/MP3PcN5

And it's a wrap. Not even Flash, who is the king of vibrating through things, can do anything about it.

But by far the best part is that Martian Mind does something absolutely hilarious -- he actually turned Loki into a one-dimensional character for the remainder of the match.

You'd really have to struggle to do that.

1). He uses Loki to run away and psi-blast from a distance. On the one hand, that's good since Stardust is done with zero defenses against it.

[And since I can, I will also cut Stardust's TV broadcast before she's one-shotted:
https://i.imgur.com/BCTnSCI.png

No Hulu for you.]

But me? My shields block Maxima's psionic blasts:
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This is the same Maxima who one-shots Superman[https://i.imgur.com/M7Qjlz8.jpg], Orion, Captain Marvel, and many more with her psionic abilities. In this specific category, Loki pales in comparison to her. Also, I don't know why I need to say this -- but CIS is off. There aren't half a dozen personalities in Polaris' head fighting for control.

Besides the shield stopping psionics, OMAC has also plowed through a psionic attack and one-shotted Dubbilex:
https://ibb.co/r2bML85
https://ibb.co/KN4qgnw

In the showing he posted, it was Kevin who was caught in the attempted control -- OMAC [which is the form I'm in] is actually highly-resistant/impervious to psionics, since the A.I. is in control:
https://ibb.co/R41yGfH

So in essence - shields which stop psionics, and you're also trying to attack an A.I. which is a losing battle.

2). He uses Loki to amp Atlas. What Martian fails to understand, and I'll use an analogy here: just because you can multiply a person's power a certain amount, doesn't mean that translate to every person being multiplie by that amount. That's not how this works. Imagine Loki amps Alfred, who can lift 50lbs, to be able to lift 500,000 lbs. Now, imagine Loki gives that same energy to Atlas, who can lift 5,000,000 lbs. That's why you see vastly different numbers [2 or 1000 are not close]. That same amp is negligible for Atlas.

This is all irrelevant, of course. Atlas is a one-dimensional character who got beaten by Steel in a physical fight [his 'supposed' bread and butter]: https://imgur.com/a/1F31Yd8. He could only hang with Superman due to the magic weakness, and got beat in under a minute once that was removed:
https://ibb.co/0y4zghG
https://ibb.co/qCFDPSW
https://ibb.co/5rZtvff
https://ibb.co/nwDNhV1
https://ibb.co/chLQwcL
https://ibb.co/j5yJQ5R
Not to mention -- the Superman he fights there? That's not the same Superman OMAC fought. The latter overpowered New 52 Superman who is far stronger -- bench planet for 5 days without breaking a sweat type.

Atlas is only useful in as far as maybe he can be used to punch Stardust, but even that's a no since Loki would just magic her with psionics and whatnot. In case I need him to punch something, I'll whisk him away to the target:

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But if it comes to an actual confrontation with me, this won't be a punch out. See my initial post for how Atlas is my pinata, and I'd kill him with either Polaris or OMAC [telporting bodyparts ftw] whenever I feel like it.

And the thing is...

[II. Distance]

Loki removed a shitload of his options by opting for distance fighting. Atlas is, in essence, useless, so he amps him just so he can say he uses him, lol.

Imagine this -- I started the match surrounded by 4 opponents, ranging from everything to magic, power cosmic and physical power.

That's not a good place to be. But due to their simultaneous passivity? I get a shitload of time to do anything I want, and in a few seconds I'm at the south pole, and now I can do anything with vast range that I not only have as Polaris, but also as OMAC due to (1) teleportation and (2) energy beams:
1. https://ibb.co/3sKytSG, https://ibb.co/1M5hF1f
2. https://ibb.co/hgfRtcv, https://ibb.co/M952SvR

And range? Well, Polaris can easily track Loki inside of Earth's magnetic field:
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He is a beacon screaming "I'm here" with his electron flow aura, on an empty planet.
Polaris can of course track and magnetically own people from around the world, as he did against a Controller [essentially Guardians of the Universe level] and render him inert, as Loki has been [see 1st post]:
https://ibb.co/874ZTYK

I can create magnetic storms around him:
https://i.imgur.com/J2Evaiq.jpg
And this:
https://imgur.com/a/2Y9IEXm
Crush his head/lobotomize using his helmet.
And, of course, I can always shut down Loki's brain:
https://imgur.com/a/DXfXcHa

And if you haven't gotten enough of the exotic ways Polaris would beat him, we can go the old fashioned.

Loki [once his power amp dissipated] got KOd by Thor with a single strike:
https://ibb.co/pP5wmqJ

Thor has broken his hand casually:
https://ibb.co/tDMRX0V

Suffice to say, I'd also teleport OMAC at his location and physically beats him [...and teleports his body limbs...]

In the eventuality that Loki doesn't know how to use 90% of his abilities that Stardust doesn't have a defence for, I'll just use magnetic black holes to own her:
https://ibb.co/h1j6Z9H
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https://ibb.co/7bGrF63
https://ibb.co/bR9WWVM

OMAC to dismember/shatter it, electromagnetism to stop his reforming, etc.

The most hilarious scenario would be if Stardust creates a black hole herelf, when she gets completely overwhelmed by them. I'd simply use OMAC to teleport her into its event horizon, then back, as I laugh from a distance:
https://ibb.co/LQgHb18
https://ibb.co/YQtnXJ1
https://ibb.co/SrT6SWs
https://ibb.co/m4GnCrk

Updated summary:
- Everybody is passive, I can do what I want without impunity
- Atom dies instantly, his belt is rendered useless at the start of the match
- Loki tries to use his enormous versatility to, uh, teleport away and pew-pew from a distance.
- I teleport and chill at the South Pole, amping and making shields that they can't get past, as Loki goes through Stardust like butter. I track them both through Earth's magnetic field.
And then...
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...I have my way with Loki through a myriad of ways, while making a [dismembered] pinata out of Atlas

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Judges, please remember that I have a subatomic and smaller stealth duo of death. Imagine if the coronavirus had ftl speed, plus could make black holes in your eyes, and blow you up from this inside instantly. And that’s not even half of my team’s capabilities.
https://imgur.com/MefoiAJ

Realistically the beginning of this match could not have gone better for my team. Now let’s get to the good stuff.
There can be no doubt that Dr. Polaris is eliminated first. Polaris comes after the Atom, although he has no way of even seeing much less affecting him b/c the Atom instantly shrinks to smaller than subatomic. At the start my team becomes smaller than the very molecules that make up Dr. Polaris’ electromagnetic waves.
https://imgur.com/UgebzuG
https://imgur.com/VUexWLs

The Atom does things like slips through deadly electron fields on the regular. Skipping through electromagnetic energy is routine for him. Meaning Dr. Polaris' worst move ever was to come after my team to ensure his defeat.
https://imgur.com/zlc7Dl4

The speed at which my team shrinks is immediately at the start. Superman states that it only takes a “split second” for the Atom to use his shrinking/enlargement ability on a group of ten heroes.
https://imgur.com/skSMU80

Within the time of one blast from Firestorm, the Atom shrinks seven heroes and uses the JLA teleporter before Superman or Flash can react. My team shrinks faster than Dr. Polaris can attack them.
https://imgur.com/PAfbjHH
https://imgur.com/YXHohq6

Not only that, but Phil did not say how Dr. Polaris gets past Stardust’s shield. Shields that are able to defend against two black holes simultaneously.
https://imgur.com/b10tA1Y

Plus all Dr. Polaris can do is send EM spectrum waves and energy towards them, which Stardust will effortlessly eat and absorb. Stardust’s people the Ethereals are made up in part of EM force but of course Stardust also has the Power Cosmic which gives her complete control over her molecules.
https://imgur.com/WT83a8b

So from Phil’s attack with Dr. Polaris either I’m too tiny at subatomic size and smaller to be affected or Stardust absorbs the EM energy and basically amps from it lol.

But it gets even better. The belt that Phil showed getting hacked was being used by Ryan Choi and not Ray Palmer. At this point Ryan is an experienced protege who is lacking in confidence. Also Ryan states that Professor Palmer wouldn’t have been hacked. lol Ryan got hacked because he is not as experienced and prepared as Ray. Just like I can’t use Ryan feats for Ray, my opponents certainly can’t attribute Ryan low/bad showing to Ray.
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Plus Ray has complete control over his atomic structure and has an automatic forcefield like aura which protects him when he goes subatomic and adjusts his density on the fly especially against magnetic fields. Ryan doesn’t have that and/or hasn’t shown it to the level that Ray has.
https://imgur.com/a/zf1PhIz

SLO-MAC will never see me or be able to get close to me, unless I want to pop his head into nothing. Plus Ray in a lab coat without putting on a costume has already punked and defeated Brother Eye in his own element.
https://imgur.com/a/fp4CETV

Also my team is smaller than radio and electronic signals, so Brother Eye won’t come close to hacking anything. However, knowing that SLO-MAC will be turned into yellow snow or horse manure by Loki does put a smile on my face.
https://imgur.com/PPN4aHq

One of the most important things in Phil’s destruction is that Martian Mind's first attack is to mentally assault Dr. Polaris, which is a huge weakness b/c of Dr. Polaris’ mental instability. He is a bi-polar schizo which is part of his character and Phil can’t just hand wave that away. I’ll let Martian Mind address more on that. So there is no way that Dr. Polaris can survive against my team while simultaneously being mentally broken by Loki.

Time for the Main Event, this BZ comes down to Martian Mind’s team vs my team.
Of course I meant Firelord instead of Firestorm in my OP lol.
Now Martian Mind’s plan is nice but there are 3 parts of it where I can take serious advantage for the win.
1. Loki’s amping Atlas doesn’t help Atlas defend against my internal attacks. At no time in this BZ is my team fighting anyone H2H. So while Loki is turning SLO-MAC into snot bubbles, my team is taking that mountain crystal from Atlas. This will add another layer of durability against Loki’s magic and spells.

2. Loki spells and magic requires continued concentration and focus. Now You would be hard pressed to find a mystical item with more power and protection than the Helmet of Nabu. People/creatures die just from wrongfully touching it, and the helmet can easily tank a nuclear force like explosion without a scratch.
https://imgur.com/SrqhfDb

The Atom was able to quickly and effortlessly slip through the molecules of the Helmet of Nabu and cause Classic Dr. Fate pain. Loki defenses/shields will not keep my team out especially with his attention elsewhere, and not expecting my sneak attack. My team’s powerset is perfect for spying, using stealth, and pin-point targeting attacks that will happen too fast for the opponent to even attempt to counter.
https://imgur.com/eiZOz9s
https://imgur.com/tmKAi17

The Atom was able to hide undiscovered inside of a black lantern ring. We all know that black lantern rings track based on emotion. So it's very impressive that Ray was able to hide undetected in one. Martian Mind will need to prove that Loki can find my team who are subatomically small and smaller, intangible, ftl, and concealed inside the Earth. And he will need to find my team before my team strikes first, because it's all over for him after that.
https://imgur.com/GpH6gDd
https://imgur.com/qkGdnbE

Loki is able to see through his shields, so light gets through. My team will be able to ride on that light to literally get inside his head. This is just enough way in.
https://imgur.com/JKA7K8d
https://imgur.com/dd7tFHz

3. Loki is just hiding as opposed to my team who are using stealth for a precision strike at the right time to incapacitate him. Loki has no counter to my team’s speed, and cannot match my team’s power output. Loki had to use a multiple prong plan to persuade the Silver Surfer that Thor was evil. It is very telling that Loki couldn’t just use TP or cast a spell to control a weakened Silver Surfer. But here I can’t be tricked, my team knows exactly who Loki is and has been watching him (and all of them) from the very start. Stardust as a live streaming media player is better than tivo.

Silver Surfer said it best, ”I have the Power Cosmic, Loki. You have just a few magic tricks.
https://imgur.com/TzZuz1P

CONCLUSION
1. My team is much too fast, too small, and well protected from Phil’s expected attack. None of my opponents have shown anything that will slow down my intangible and ftl stealth duo of death, much less stop them. I find it very amusing that Phil believes I won’t use my abilities/powers at the very start, which he has no counter too.
2. Even without Phil committing suicide by attacking my team, Dr Polaris is easy pickings for Loki, and OMAC’s new catch phrase should be “QUACK, QUACK” b/c he is nothing more than a sitting duck.
3. Loki cannot fight against the Atom/Stardust combo at the same time, and he’s way too slow to react in time, before my team destroys him from the inside. I will have the mountain crystal from Atlas before he can even realize why he is suddenly feeling not so good.

And Loki doesn’t do too well against internal attacks, or attacks that will rip his body apart.

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Alright, let’s dive right in.


So, all of us had the same idea. Get the **** out of dodge. That’s fine, as it plays into my hands. For I’m not simply teleporting away. I’m actively concealing my team through illusions and sorcery, which are so potent that it can fool skyfathers, such as Surtur and Odin.

https://imgur.com/a/cmBpr
https://imgur.com/a/MYVOH

So none of them are finding me. Whatever means they think they’ve devised; Loki will evade. If the All-seeing All-father can’t discern my presence, they certainly can’t, especially in the midst of an attack. On top of this, we’re shielded, and the enemy is far too busy attacking each other, for Mutant and I have had the same idea.

Target Dr. Polaris. Whom, I might add, is being associated with a VERY generous estimation of range. While his showing against the Justice League was definitely impressive, there is NOTHING to suggest he can find and attack a master of illusion and deceit from an entire world away. Particularly a shielded one who is assaulting his mind. Hell, in Phil’s own scan (soon to follow) he remarks that Powergirl “snuck up on him”.

Now, Phil actually supports my argument that Stardust is vulnerable to TP, and Supermutant himself has offered NO scans

as evidence to the contrary. Let’s look at Phil’s scans-



https://ibb.co/Q86G2St



-nowhere does that say it’s a psionic attack. It might be force blasts generated through psychic powers, but that is NOT the same as a telepathic assault that Dr. Strange himself struggles to repel. The fact that this is the ONLY scan Phil could offer actually speaks volumes as to how vulnerable Dr. Polaris is to a telepathic attack. So yeah, between myself and the Atom, Polaris is quick to fall, followed swiftly by Stardust.

So that is both my opponent’s big guns taken out, leaving me perfectly safe with Atlas. What’s amusing, however, is that both my opponents have fixated on the amp claim, when it was only a miniscule part of my strategy. A bonus, if you will. It doesn’t MATTER how much the amp is, the point is that Atlas will end up stronger, but even if I never get around to it, that’s inconsequential. The only threats are dead! Loki can survive decapitation-

https://imgur.com/a/aqZjr


-So Omac teleporting off his limbs would do jack shit. But, I will point out that in Phil’s (very) long-winded post, he never once addressed Loki turning him into snow.

https://imgur.com/a/eNZQ0


Why? Because he has no counter. Omac is just a dumb, lumbering brute, completely at the mercy of Loki’s wiles, especially as I’ve shown that Loki can both teleport and conceal himself with impunity. As for Supermutants claims that Loki “had real trouble” with heralds of Galactus, well, it’s farcical! Look at the scan he provided of Firelord. The herald gets off a lucky shot, and then the ****ing narration points out that Firelord is less than a God, while Loki rises unscathed! Even more hilariously, he tries to say that because Surfer endured Karnilla, WHO LITERALLY FLEES FROM A FIGHT WITH LOKI IN THE SCANS HE PROVIDED, that this somehow means Stardust is a threat? It’s as though he’s not aware who he’s fighting or using.


I have shown that Loki can easily match heralds. I have shown that he can drop three-Thor level beings with ease (one of whom pushed Stardust to his limit), and even better, I have shown that Loki has a telepathic attack which Stardust has NO counter for. As to the scan proving Loki is “weak” to attacks from within…it’s a single, out of context panel of Loki being harmed. We don’t see the aftermath, nor the cause. It is entirely worthless. I could just as well show a scan of Loki taking a dump, and claim it proves he beat the Living Tribunal in a burrito eating contest.



Now, Phil has no leg to stand on, as Polaris falls VERY quickly, but let’s address the various low-showings he’s trying to use as evidence. In all of them, Loki has only been subdued to his own personal failings. His arrogance or overconfidence. I mean, Pym even says that the ONLY reason he could restrain Loki is because Loki himself gave him a sword that depowers. As Phil has been so fond of crying, CIS is off for this match. Loki won’t be making any foolish mistakes due to cockiness. He’s going to be the master of illusions and magic, teleporting around the globe, launching telepathic attacks, and transmuting anyone who crosses him. Remember, Loki has the speed to dodge Mjolnir and wrestle Surfer. He has shown that he can multi-task to the supreme, and launch offensive attacks that can fell and confuse not just heralds, but skyfathers as well. Neither of my opponents can make such a claim, and their fallacious attempts at low-balling do nothing to change that. They cannot catch me, and they are rendered vegetable within seconds of the start time. After that, Phil has no way to counter Loki’s transmutation, while Atom has no chance of tracking us down, while we can find him with impunity.


This is the Myth Men’s match, and it wasn’t even a struggle.


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Judges, please remember that I am the only one who kept the same plan from start to finish here. My plan is perfectly suited to take advantage of what my team does best. My opponents are just throwing out everything including the kitchen sink hoping and wishing that something works with little to no evidence, even though it's much too late as victory is already mine.

This BZ is between Martian Mind and myself as Phil made himself a target and gets taken out by our simultaneous assault very quickly. I find it hilarious that Phil thinks he can just brush off a combined assault from his opponents and go amp at the South pole. I guess Dr. Polaris is going to amp off of dying. Phil is just as delusional and mentally defective as Dr. Polaris.

So Martian Mind’s plan is to use TP against Stardust and basically wait the Atom out.

The problem for him is that he has shown no instances of Stardust being taken out by TP. None, not even one. I don’t have to prove a negative, but he has to prove that Loki’s TP will work against Stardust. Loki failed to use TP against a depower Surfer, and a significantly amped Loki failed to use TP against Firelord. On the other hand, I have shown Heralds resisting point blank magical attacks from Loki and Karnilla who also wields powerful asgardian magic and stalemated Loki as the narration stated.

Judges please do not forget that my team is also subatomic at all times with ftl speed. Martian Mind will have to show Loki being able to see particles smaller than photons and electrons that are moving ftl. And not only see them but being able to affect them mentally. Take a grain of sand, then take a grain from that grain, and so on, that’s how tiny the Atom is. Then on top of all that I’m inside the earth, Loki will have no idea where my team is, no way to track them, and could not affect them will TP anyway because they are small enough to ride on brain waves. So Loki uses TP against my team and they ride back on that beam of mental force into his brain and destroys him from the inside.
https://imgur.com/2dJlwoD

I have also shown Stardust resisting the mental influence of 53 living beings inside of her. She went on to sacrifice them to Galactus despite them screaming in her head trying to stop her. There have been no showings presented or reference in which Stardust has been mentally assaulted, mind controlled, or succumbed to a telepathic attack in any way.
https://imgur.com/84rAWRz
https://imgur.com/eB2IEjz

Actually the only scan offered so far by Martian Mind for Loki’s TP was blocked by a shield lol. So Martian Mind will have to prove how he can get past my shields as well.
https://imgur.com/a/WmrZU

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Now, Phil actually supports my argument that Stardust is vulnerable to TP, and Supermutant himself has offered NO scans


Who cares what Phil mistakenly believes. He also argued that Polaris’s magnetic powers can stop TP. He’s wrong about that as well.
https://imgur.com/vIHeA5W

Just since I have this, Flash one-shots Dr. Polaris before he can finish a sentence. Without CIS/PIS Polaris never touches the Flash, and he won’t be touching faster than light Stardust here either.
https://imgur.com/a/L6kSx7q

Plus I have offered scans unlike you, see a couple of sentences above again. Stardust is a telepath and an energy being with the power cosmic, so Martian Mind will have to show scans of TP affecting her in a negative way without her being able to resist it.

And let’s not even pretend that Loki cannot be koed, killed, incapacitated, etc., far from it. Even Rogue with only Cyclops and Nightcrawler’s power has gotten the better of him before a distraction saved him.
https://imgur.com/nU2yMze
https://imgur.com/JJRUusz

Storm’s attack against Stardust just caught her unawares with her back turned, as she had just blasted Gravity into an asteroid. And Stardust suffered no lasting damage and reformed quickly. Plus it was just a low showing as Stardust could have easily gone intangible, absorbed it, dodge it, or just tanked it.
https://imgur.com/R0R3xqy

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I have shown that Loki can easily match heralds.


Where exactly have you shown this? What has been shown is a depowered and disinterested Surfer stalemating Loki, and Firelord getting a brief advantage over an amped Loki. Definitely wasn’t anything easy for Loki and it's a far cry from being able to 1-shot a herald with TP, which has not even been remotely proven.

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I have shown that he can drop three-Thor level beings with ease (one of whom pushed Stardust to his limit)


And you mentioned scans taken out of context. Beta Ray Bill, Materson, and Dargo were fighting a gauntlet of Thor’s enemies pulled from the time stream before fighting Loki. So they were already worn out and that Loki was from an alternative timeline anyway, which means it's completely irrelevant here. And we all know that Thor alone routinely owns and defeats Loki, so even if that was the real one it would just be an extremely high showing for him.
https://imgur.com/3hRSSbN
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Th...sue-440?id=8144

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Originally posted by Martian_mind
So none of them are finding me.


Stardust is keeping track of all of her opponents from the very start. From space she can easily track and show where Asteroth is and what she is doing on a planet. Planetary tracking is all that is needed to spy on my opponents in the BZ since the planet is the battlefield. And Asteroth is a great old one with vast cosmic powers who consumes whole planets like Galactus.
https://imgur.com/5yO5YUz

With cosmic awareness Stardust can sense power and energy, even when it’s cloaked.
https://i.imgur.com/bMGySEx.jpg

And this was the very keeper of cosmic awareness, Epoch, who was attempting to cloak and hide from the Heralds. Needless to say that Loki cannot hide from my team and his whereabouts will be known at all times from the very start.
https://imgur.com/LvXX2Yh

By the way Stardust is able to reform not because of EM energy but because of the power cosmic which Dr. Polaris cannot manipulate in any shape, form, or fashion.
https://imgur.com/64qy3cA

And anyone like Stardust who can create their own electrometric field, will cancel out Dr. Polaris’ power over them.
https://imgur.com/h2VMxET
https://imgur.com/S6BA8XE

Just to show how quickly the Atom can go intangible and subatomic at the same time.
https://imgur.com/n9J9PdB
https://imgur.com/l5bjsZI

Ryan Choi is no Ray Palmer at all. Plus at one point Ryan got his belt from Chronos and could enlarge without the belt due in part to matter eating worms. These two have different power sources at one time and have different levels of experience and tactics, so they certainly do not share showings.
https://imgur.com/Ptxj5EL
https://imgur.com/dJNgnhU
https://imgur.com/w5fdqrt

This was fun, but my plan worked successfully from the beginning and my team wins. I’m the only one who used perfect teamwork as my opponents had sitting ducks in Atlas and OMAC, who didn’t help them. Now let’s look at how this match played out from all the participants’ opening moves.

- Prep: Everybody is shielded
- Starting Action: Atom and Stardust shrink, with Atom inside Stardust. Loki and Atlas teleport, leaving behind an illusion. Dr. Polaris from .5 kilometers away attempts to attack a smaller than subatomic Atom through Stardust's shield. Stardust can both shoot power cosmic blasts and shield at the same time.
https://imgur.com/fKv1XLb
- Next: Loki takes out Dr. Polaris with a mental assault while Stardust mega-blasts Polaris with her halberd. Polaris dies instantly. Then Loki transmutes S.L.O.M.A.C. into an inanimate version of Frosty the Snowman. While Loki does that, the Atom and Stardust with ftl speed slip through the molecules of Atlas' shield (through the light in his eyes or other means) and steal his crystal. Stardust has already been watching and tracking the real Loki from the beginning using her cosmic awareness as previously shown.
-Finally the Atom leaves Stardust’s body and koes a depowered Atlas from the inside by dancing on his brain or whatnot and places the crystal inside his own body. The Atom with the added significant magical resistance goes inside Loki’s body while Stardust is fighting and distracting Loki. The Atom with Atlas powers grows inside Loki and rips him apart. Stardust also puts mini black holes in Loki’s eyes and blasts everything that’s left of his body into cosmic ashes.

Even Loki realizes that he doesn’t stand a chance.
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Alright people, let’s wrap this tourney up.


What have we established so far?

At the beginning of the match, everyone is going their separate ways. A strategy that works in my favour, as of the combatants, I have the most versatile methods of teleportation, shielding, and avoiding detection.
https://imgur.com/a/2G9E1
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#27
https://readcomiconline.to/Comic/Si...e-4?id=44914#49
https://imgur.com/a/cmBpr
https://imgur.com/a/MYVOH

Next, we will all be attempting forms of long-range assault. None of my opponents have shown that they will be able to even find me, let alone that their attacks could penetrate my shields. On the other hand, I have proven that Loki can attack across the gulf of dimensions. To make matters worse, none of my opponents have offered any scans to prove that they can resist a telepathic assault. Hell, Phil’s attempt simply reinforced the fact that Dr. Polaris can easily be snuck up on, reinforcing the idea that he will be unable to find me.

With Stardust and Polaris gone, my opponents literally have no means of defeating me. They cannot pierce my shields or illusions, they cannot lock in me place (due to my teleportation) and Loki can literally end them with a wave of his hand, a fact that (again) neither opponent has been able to address.
https://imgur.com/a/eNZQ0

Based on the above, it is clear that my sheer versatility leaves me untouchable by any strategy they can conjure. Phil’s hilarious attempts at extrapolating Dr. Polaris’ powers cannot hide that fact that he lacks the range to attack a mid-herald who can literally deceive skyfathers, and push the Sorcerer Supreme himself to the limit, all from a dimension away. Stardust is even more pathetic, as he lacks any telepathic defence, and was hard-pressed against Beta Ray Bill, an opponent who Loki has essentially one-shotted. Even if both of them weren’t vulnerable to my TP and magic (which they are), they cannot overcome the sheer power Loki brings to the table.

The Atom is a non-factor, as he doesn’t possess any means of reaching Loki, and can be found and destroyed at our leisure. OMAC may be able to teleport, but again, Loki can literally destroy him with a wave of his hand. OMAC has no shield or defence that can deflect the God of Mishief’s magic, and the fact that Phil keeps trying to gloss over this point is incredibly damning. Hell, glossing over my attacks seems to be the only form of defence either of my opponents can offer. Their fixation on the Atlas amp (which has never been essential to any of my attacks) also shows how desperate they are to counter ANY point they can. Honestly, it’s hilarious how two-dimensional they are in comparison to Loki.

So, to summarize-
I have the power.
I have the range.
I have the versatility.
And my opponents? Well, they have nothing at all.



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I'm not hacking the belt and using it for myself. I'm stopping it from functioning entirely using Brother Eye's control over technology AND Polaris control over, well, EVERYTHING that makes his belt work [electrical circuits][https://imgur.com/a/zlVBvqq]

It's the difference between trying to hack the password to a computer, or just simply unplugging it.

Instantly at the start a part of Brother Eye's consciousness is transmitted into Atom's belt, freezing it, as it has done to Batman's armor [while Brother Eye is explicitly weakened] and it was designed to stop something like this:

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"Got past by suit's internal redundancies QUICKER than I could have IMAGINED"

Which would happen to the featless against technopathy [REALLY hard emphasis here] belt of the Atom. In fact...it has:

https://ibb.co/pzwCNPg

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At ths start of the match, Brother Eye's consciousness is instantly inside Atom's belt.

His abilities are under my control, even if I let him shrink down and up, because I'm inside his belt every step of the way.

Polaris.

I honestly could have only used only one of Polaris/OMAC's A.I.[Brother Eye] to take care of Atom.

It's a contest on who ruins Atom first.

Polaris ravages him due to all those pesky human things like lungs, iron in his blood, brain etc. [https://imgur.com/a/w9q23bM] while also stopping his belt from working by controlling the circuit in his belt.

In an absolute hilarious scan, to defend against this tactic, supermutant showed Atom getting hit by a magnetic beam [Non-CANON - see later][https://imgur.com/UgebzuG]. Why would your show your own character getting hit by a magnetic beam that is not even meant to harm him, when the moment Polaris hits him he gets his entire body exploded?

Furthermore, Polaris doesn't need to 'shoot' beams. He affects beings through the magnetic field from a distance [I know you're tired of the Controller scan, but it's the shit: https://ibb.co/874ZTYK], there's no magnetic 'blast' travelling towards the Atom, he is INSIDE the magnetic blast, which is the Earth's magnetic field.

Imagine you have complete control over the ocean [i.e. magnetic field of the Earth] through hydrokinesis. Now, imagine somebody [Atom] is in the water. You don't 'shoot' water at them, they ARE in the water.

Polaris is vastly enhanced [https://ibb.co/ZKV2qpf] he can easily operate his powers at lightspeed [https://imgur.com/a/eSb8wsS] and react to Flash [https://imgur.com/a/IANm6GR].

Atom is also at the limit of his reaction time and "maximum velocity" with shrinking against Deathstroke:

https://ibb.co/rkpS73J

Deathstroke has caught him with lasers as he shrank:

https://imgur.com/a/SVsQYi5

etc.

Quickfire, things Supermutant misleads about :
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- Everything with Star Sapphire? What you saw with the 'forcefield' around his molecules? It's an issue from the 70s. Non-canon Pre-Crisis (https://tinyurl.com/y646e882).
- in the JLA scan, the belt is adjusting his mass against Gravity, not Electromagnetism. The belt controls mass and size [thus gravity adaptation] -- nothing to do with resistance to anything else. Don't get fooled by his wording -- there are zero feats for anything he is saying.
- Stardust' shield didn't defend against two black holes. Gravity [supehero] moved her in an energy shield sandwiched between two event horizons of white holes, in which she was frozen helplessly until Galactus saved her. Stardust shields are literally featless. He lied the last battlezone "Stardust easily shielded against a planet type bursting attack" when it only blocked some debris from an asteroid destroyed by BRB [https://i.imgur.com/OUP4F0f.jpg]
- Stardust absorbed small, "cosmic ash", near-death energy beings from her own race then fed them to Galactus as they screamed in terror [https://imgur.com/a/mhcYoBn].That doesn't show Stardust is a telepath. That doesn't show that she can resist Polaris' magnetic black hole draining.

If you see a bit of an 'oldish' art in his last post, please feel free to reverse google search his images and look at the publishing year.
Read the scans he posts, and not his fan-fiction.

Anyhow...

Judges, what is important here is this:

- the belt is technology that can easily be taken apart: https://imgur.com/a/sgZcdeE
- it has been jammed: https://ibb.co/pzwCNPg
- it has been hacked [https://imgur.com/a/Ftf32Lj]. He's also trying to distract you from the lack of defense feats against any of this. Ryan saying Ray would have prepared for that - he has no feats from Ray proving that he can prep against it and we don't have prep in this fight in the first place.
- I have a supreme technopath who transports his consciousness and stops/control all technology
- I have Polaris, who has total control over the electromagnetic spectrum, which includes all of the Atom's internal organs, blood, etc. AND tech belt.
- He has zero feats to counter this. And I do mean ZERO. Don't get fooled by his mis-interpretations and no-limits fallacies.

[III. Martian Mind -- passive, simplistic tactics and mistakes]

He had one opportunity at the beginning to make this a contested fight, while I was attacking, but he resorted to running away and psi-blasting from a distance. This allowed me to increase my power and skyrocket in tiers by teleporting [https://imgur.com/a/2C3iSpS] and absorbing energy at the south pole. I go from low herald to essentially trans tier -- making shields that Nobody, including Loki, has a chance to get through: https://imgur.com/a/evL74wy

To recap:
- physical force, weakness scanning [Superman]
- energy projection[Kyle]
- intangibility [Flash]
- psionic blasts/telepathy [Faith]
- teleportation and MAGIC
[Manitou Raven is one of the most powerful magic users in DC]

....ALL combined have a hard time. It's a ridiculous level. Really analyze this.

Psionic blast

Loki is relying on psionic blasts THAT HE HAS POSTED ZERO FEATS WITH other than straining Dr. Strange's shields [remember this!] which, as shown above, I'm FAR above. Even when unamped, they've no sold Maxima WHILE Power Girl was punching them AND Polaris was using his power in various ways to hold the entire city of Poseidonis in air [https://imgur.com/a/tDydV3H] and to restrain multiple Atlanteans amongst them Aquaman, who ALSO tried TP to no avail:
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Maxima, whose telepathy has one shotted Superman, Orion, Captain Marvel and Brainiac [amped] could not get through his shield, and had to hyperextend Polaris to the point that his shields were down and ONLY THEN she managed to get FACE TO FACE with him and could ONLY hold him for a few moments: https://imgur.com/a/On08LvT And this is WITHOUT his shields, WITHOUT any kind of AMP, and judges, I can't believe I have to say this again -- there are no multiple personalities, since CIS is off, no matter how desperate my opponents get and forget tourney rules.

I'm not Stardust. Same trick won't work for two opponents.

Illusion

Martian Mind thinks that a cardboard illusion that he "leaves behind" as he goes away would somehow baffle everybody. Loki is specifically LEAVING the location by teleporting. That's like being a ventriloquist, but you leave the doll on the table and go to a restaurant to eat, thinking the puppet will start dancing by itself. I ACTIVELY scan in order to attack him -- which Odin and the rest HAVE NOT. There is ZERO proof posted that his VISIBLE illusions would stop my ACTIVE senses ESPECIALLY since I target his helmet which is not there and everything would simply pass through it: https://i.imgur.com/QQLfXmI.jpg

Other stuff

- 'But what if he does what he did to Bor?" First of all, Bor's defenses were SPECIFICALLY down: https://imgur.com/a/eNZQ0. I have shields tanking the JL.
- 'Loki survives decapitation!" With prep spells. Without them he'd die: https://imgur.com/a/xQUINEO. Furthermore, I'd teleport his limbs in differents parts of the globe/throw them in space -- I'm not Balder, and just leave his head lying there.

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I have received 4/5 verdicts, which was enough to decide a winner...


beatboks' verdict:
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Ok My judgement.

First let me say, I asked Galan what knowledge level the combatants have in this battle. Whether it is a random encounter, basic knowledge or full knowledge. I think this should be established for future tourneys. Galan said he thought basic knowledge so that is what I am running with.

I'll start with the negatives of the three strategies.

Phil - while I have no trouble accepting his team can do what he says to Palmers belt, I do take issue with it being an instant effect. Considering Mutant's strategy to instantly shrink sub atomic I'm not convinced he would find the preverbial needle in the haystack that Palmer would be to accomplish this. I say this because unless you have complete knowledge I just dont see it possible so quickly.

Martian -its a mistake to assume that Polaris has a range restriction that would make battle on planetary level a problem. Way back in Teen Titans spotlight when Polaris was trapped in another dimension he was able to control the magnetic power of Wally West's girlfriend Francis (Magenta) to open a vortex on earth to the dimension he was trapped in to free him.

Mutant - there are some context issues and some of the scans offered dont actually show what he is saying they do. Even before Phil explained it in his closing the scan of the minds Starlight felt didnt show me any type of TP resistance. Also his scan of sensing through "cloaking" to me looked like hus senses didnt bypass the cloak.

Down to brass tacks

For me Phil is the first out. The effort of taking out Atom first fell flat because Atom/stsrlight would be too small to easily detect then via magnetic fields quickly enough to accomplish this. What I needed here was scans of more intricate scaning to show this was possible. I also didnt buy the fact that he could so easily see thru Loki's illusions that have worked well enough for decades. I have memories of them fooling Himdiel so Polaris should be fooled long enough to give him an edge. Also the idea that Polaris has better shields than classic Strange, that IMHO was not an argument to make. It more sold me on the opposite wihout substantially more proof. For the record I didnt buy his shields keeping out Mutant's subatomic team (I was wondering why Mutant Pmd me and asked for scans issues of the durability of the helm of Nabu- now I know and nicely played I.must say)

This made it a battle between Mutant and Martian in my mind. Mutant made an error thinking he doesnt have to prove an negative re TP (as I see it). The very little evidence he offered just didnt cut it for me and actually made me see it as a weakness. I also didnt get enough of Starlights scanning to show that his team could successfully find Martian's through the illusions as he did seem to be unable to find whatbhe had senses once cloaked. Now I did have a similar problem for martian finding a subatomic Mutant team, but upon re-reading I was reminded of the issue/scan Martian linked of Loki looking back through timento see SS's origin. Given his teleportation to allow him to scheme and that one showing was enough to convince me he could find Atom and Starlight.

My vote goes to Martian Mind who as I see it had the plan that had tje least holes in it by the end.

Well played all and well debated. Thisbwas very close and I had to reread a few things to actually be able to make a decision


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MrMind's verdict:
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Opening:

First of all, you guys didn’t disappoint. Such beautiful finale, I thought me vs phil and darksaint vs supermutant were both fantasitc BZs, but this one top it all off. Kudos to you top debaters.
This is an extreme close fight between Phil and Supermutant.

1.
Phil has shown his opponents specific weaknesses with actual scans of instances it happened, then he shows his team using the exact same tactic that can exploit those weaknesses, with actual feats. It’s so detailed and on point. It’s beautiful to watch.

2.
Martian Mind pulled the same thing Phil did in semi final by bfr his team to another location. He did overlook the fact it’s CIS off so Polaris being schizo isn’t gonna affect him in this match. I like your feat selection martian but you need to explain your context better instead of just paste the link of the full issue from readcomicsonline and expect the judges to read the whole issue. You need to explain you will teleport atlas back to the fight, also being immortal doesn’t mean your team cannot get hurt.

3.
Supermutant has the most elaborate and complex strategy, I’m impressed by how deliberate and thought out it is. He has the best opening of the 3. Shrink his team to subatomic level then go inside the earth is very clever

the scans selection are killers, very good. Strong narrative

However there are one minor mistakes that make me not entirely convinced., how are you gonna shrink inside the earth if the crust is indestructible.


Rebutthole
Speed isn’t an issue, since it’s shield up battle and all combatants decide to play hide and seek, either inside the earth, or other part of the world. They fully took advantage of battlefield being the entire earth.

I feel like Supremutant brought too many points up and was not able to stick to a single narrative long enough. There are a lot of reaching. But gotta hand it to him the using Atom to grab mountain crystal was very creative. However I don’t think he has a good plan of counter Atom belt rendered useless by Phil. Why can Ray Palmer stop his belt getting nullified when Ryan couldn’t, being more experienced is not good enough. This is one of the biggest key point here, sadly it’s not addressed. Brother Eye’s technopathy is no joke. And Atom is featless against it.

Martian Mind is very straight to the point, he understands the arguments very well, he knows his strengths and his opponents weaknesses. but his flaw is that he did not provide enough evidences/feats to support his claim. I want to know more about the turning opponents into snow feat, more than just a scan.

Martian Mind is very articulate but he simply didn’t write enough to convince me. He needs more scans. The closing post is way too short. Just as I thought it’s heading to interesting direction it ended. It’s a shame because I think he has the most powerful team due to Loki. Hell he could’ve completely ignore Atlas and use Loki only and make a very strong case. But it fall short. We didn’t see half of Loki’s potential being represented. I think MM is a good debator, but I just don’t think he tried his hardest in this match (no offense)

This match eventually comes down to Supermutant and Phil

Supermutant has the most versatile team here in my opinion, Atom/Stardust compliment each other well. His debating style is ruthless, and he can overwhelm you with plans a/b/c. I don’t think Phil’s plan of letting Martian Mind taking care of Stardust is very good. And he def beat Martian Mind in his closing post.

Phil has the weakest team, but he did the most with them, in my opinion his strategies and debate is the most fiercely showcase here. Every single scan he used has a purpose that’s part of his plan. Polaris used his full potential by having the entire earth fight for him. I think the biggest saving grace for Phil’s team was that they get to have their shields up before bell ring, Polaris is a glass canon but boy does he have versatile abilities and high level offensive outputs.
But the biggest reason I give Phil the win is because he perfectly exploited Supermutant’s mistakes/misinterpretation/non canon scans

Phil refuted Martian Mind in a fantastic fashion

The high end Polaris shields feats involving fighting some of the DC earth most powerful earth based heroes, lead me to believe non of the team here can easily breach his shields. Which is a pain in the ass I know, in my BZ I showed Supreme trapped in “A multi-dimensional phase shifter capable of warping your molecules across sixteen dimensions” He used his dna recombining in an effort to match the phase frequencies and breaks through the shield and ripped his opponent’s arm off
https://imgur.com/a/SwOEb6s

You need feats like this to convince me someone can breach through Polaris’ shields. And I see none here.

Phil showed Polaris tp resistence, and remember it’s a CIS off match so even more advantage to Polaris, his schizo self is not here. I don’t think it’s enough to convince me he is out of danger. But it’s just enough to keep Polaris in play imo.

The illusion and ventriloquist analogy is also on point. Loki trying to play david copperfield on the other side of the earth is not a good plan.

I do believe Loki can survive decapitation, but having all his bodies scattered around the world is pretty much a defeat
Martian Mind also didn’t bring up the counter to Polaris targeting Loki’s metal helmet.

I think both Martian Mind and Supermutant wanting to target Polaris at the start of the match is very wise, not because Polaris has such weak durability, but because Polaris is extremely dangerous when left unchecked. However they didn’t show enough to convince me they can breach the shields before Polaris gets teleported.

Supermutant has speed on his side, however shields up match plus all teams bfr all over the place, does put a damper in his speed advantage. And I don’t think his plan of going subatomic and wreck shit from inside gonna work. he lost it on Atom, when Atom is one shotted, Stardust cannot shrink.

Philosophia is the winner of this match, thanks for this really awesome read guys.


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Pr's verdict:
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Okay... reading this was fun. Fun fun fun fun fun.

So, Philo came out swinging. Very impressive, even if he posted scans from a comic I don't particularly like. His tactics were strong, simple, and helped immeasurably by what looked like the campiness of old Thor comics when it came to defeating Loki. Did I buy everything he said? No. But I bought enough of it to want to see what the others had in mind for countering him.

MM was first... and as much as I don't mind being linked to comics usually, in a tourney I shouldn't have to skim through a comic to find a particular page. I mean, the comics has a bunch of teleporting, sure, but still. I liked MM's point about Loki attacking Polaris's mind, as that would have been the same kind of strategy I might have employed in his place. The whole "he beat the Surfer" thing... eh, TBH I wasn't sure at all if I really bought that it was relevant to the argument. I did like the idea of Loki amping, though, and it was looking like MM was actually using those old, campy comics to his advantage. Claiming to amp Atlas a thousand times, though? That... I dunno about that. I know Atlas is powerful, but there's a difference between amping a standard Human and amping a herald. At least, I would think so. And MM made a good point about using TP on Omac.

So with those first two posts in mind, at least one thing was clear: Stardust was screwed.

SuperMutant's OP... First thing's first: I'm glad I don't have epilepsy. Second... I really liked his opening plan. He didn't try to match pound for pound. He tried to play it smart, and for the most part, it honestly looked like he was succeeding. I really liked his argument that everything is made up of something, and that Atom was small enough to move between the smallest parts of it. I liked how he brought up the ways he would get around Polaris's shield, even if I didn't buy it all. I needed to see more from Stardust to buy it.

But by the end of the OPs, I wasn't entirely convinced Stardust would be taken down as easily as some had claimed.

So on to the actual arguments. The first major question I was faced with was whether I believed Polaris could take down Atom the way Philo was saying, or if SM's argument of Atom being small enough to dodge any attack held any real weight. Gonna be honest, I really didn't know which way to go with it, but my gut was saying Polaris was more likely to succeed. The argument was made that Stardust's shields would do a lot of heavy lifting... but I needed to see more proof, tbh. Like with the claim that Stardust had complete control over... her? Molecules. The scan that was posted didn't prove that to me. I needed more.

I did, however, like how SM brought up the difference between Ray and Ryan, even if, again, I needed to see more. The scans I did see... they didn't do it for me, sorry. I did like, again, that Polaris's instability was brought up though. But then, I realised this was a tournament, and stuff like that doesn't matter.

Those scans with Nabu and the Black Rings was some nice work though. I liked those.

MM... I gotta say, Loki surviving decapitation was funny as ****. And I feel like his argument for Loki was a strong one. The scans posted (even if I had to read the poxy comic) were solid enough, and it made me think that there was merit to his arguments... even if I wondered why there wasn't some more modern scans mixed in there. Does Loki just not have as good feats anymore? I didn't hold it against him, mind you. I was just wondering.

On to the final posts...

I laughed out loud when SM used the scan of Aquaman using telepathy on Polaris. Nicely done.

I'm gonna be honest, I was initially gonna vote for MM, based on everything. Loki just seemed like too much of an obstacle for either of them to overcome. I think all three participants made some wild ****ing claims, but thankfully there was enough good argument in the actual posts to let me build an opinion as to where it was going. In the end, it was SM that convinced me that Loki could be beaten, and while I liked where SM was going with his arguments, I just couldn't get past the idea that Atom, who is still Human himself, still has to consciously activate the belt, at least, according to the scans he does anyway.

TLDR: By the end, I felt like Atom was being shown as just too much of a weak link, which was why I couldn't vote for SM. Sorry. I was leaning towards MM, but as I read back more, it just felt like Phil did more to find the exploitable holes in his opponents than the other way around. I feel like there was some extrapolation on Polaris, sure (and a hefty amount of bullshit), but it was backed up with enough of a logical argument that it didn't matter.

So, I have to vote Phil, even if I feel like MM should have won.

Also, I seriously question the wisdom of whoever thought it was okay to let Phil have what is basically DC's Magneto for a tourney. FFS lads.


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DarkSaint's verdict:
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So I have read the various posts multiple times, and have reached a conclusion.

Due to the drama in the previous round, and the participants involved (namely myself and Supermutant, but also Philo), I acknowledge that any decision I make will be subject to heightened scrutiny - which I accept. I know that there will be accusations of bias from Supermutant, as he beat me, from Philo, who will accuse me of judging him harshly in an attempt to appear impartial, and Martian, for not supporting me.

In short,if I make everyone mad at me, I am doing my job smile

Firstly, it was a mess, lol, as it would be with a 3 way. No surprises there. But I liked Philo's emphasis on the choreography.

So match prep starts, and everyone has their shields up. Loki and Polaris win this round - Stardust simply did not show any shield feats.

Next match starts. Everyone leaves, lol.

Philo goes for the entire kitchen sink approach,lol,which hurts him somewhat..... Loki does the equivalent of those cartoon characters that run off,leaving a character shaped cloud in their wake,and does his best Xavier impression,and Supermutant goes on a journey to the centre of the Earth.

And this is where the choreography comes in. I have been going back and forth in my head over this, and I just don't see Ray having the speed to pull it off.

Stardust is severely hampered by her lack of feats. And her trump card, the black hole, actually harmed herself.... certainly no trump card,imo. Whilst I agree that she's PROBABLY the fastest character here (didn't see any convincing speed feats, and am scaling off other heralds), Super didn't actually utilise it effectively.

Then there are the lack of TP feats against Loki, but most damningly of all....the use of non canon scans to defend against Polaris.

So it's between Martian and Philo.

Martian is by far the most versatile of all the characters here, easily. Martian, however...don't get me wrong, but I felt your BZ was a bit lackluster.

Philo.....holy shit but it was difficult to read your post lol. I'm not sure if it's the formatting or the sheer volume you spew, but it was hard to keep track. Also not 100% sure about some of your posts, but no one picked up on it and argued against it so I will let it slide.

Ultimately, though, Martian never actually hid his helmet, lmao. And yes, he had illusions etc, but it's the difference between painting your submarine black.....and still showing up on sonar.

Long story short, but the sequence of the battle is key, which is the argument that convinced me. The other two could have really messed with Philo and taken him out had they messed his sequence up - but by taking the actions they did, they effectively gave him the victory in this match.

Winner: Philo.


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