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Omni-Man total domination

To start let’s be clear, Omni man is by far the fastest combatant in this tournament
He was faster than Early Incincible
https://i.imgur.com/8g9kyu8.jpg
Just how fast is that I hear you ask. Well he flew from North America to Antarctic in 39 seconds in his first few weeks. I cant at this moment find that scan but he has also travelled 12874 km (8000 miles) in 25 seconds which confirms it.
https://imgur.com/a/7y9Pa6V
That gives Invincible a speed within the atmosphere of just over mach 1000 and he struggles to keep up with Omni man.
He also scales well to Supreme. They fought and had a dual KO from which Omni-man recovered significantly faster
https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.zlrSp...ImgDet&rs=1

https://ibb.co/vBJXtd3

This puts him on or slightly above the level of Gladiator based on his showing vs Supreme.

In striking power Invincible, Thaddeus, and Omni Man destroy the Viltrumite home world

https://ibb.co/zX5fYZV

https://ibb.co/ysHB22T

Hard to quantify but easily enough to accommodate my strategy.
Omni-man can also fly though space and has been known to hold his breath for up to two weeks.
https://ibb.co/30vjP2F

Opening Attack. We start 0.5km apart and are battling on earth (the WHOLE planet is the battlefield). the instant the battle is joined I fly straight to the nearest ocean. Even if the battle starts at the Eurasian Pole of Inaccessibility that would put us only 2645 km from the nearest ocean. As such if I was limited to the speed of Invincible who can travel 12874 in 25 seconds (who can’t keep up with me) I could cover that distance in around 5 seconds. I dive straight down into the ocean using the striking power that with help Omni-man destroyed a planet and dig a trench deeper than any point on earth.

With that same speed I return to my adversaries grabing one at a time quickly and Hurling them straight toward my newly dug trench. Flying after them I knock all three down into the trench deep deep under the ocean. I then follow and strike the top of the trench with the same sort of force Omni-man has used in his blows on his son Invincible that have destroyed the mountains Invincible has crashed into. Thus filling the trench and burying my adversaries who were already struggling for breath under tons of water. Just so where clear Omni-man is brutal, acts and strikes again, never giving an adversary a chance to anticipate his attacks.
https://ibb.co/41hDhYt

So there we have it judges I am victorious in under a minute with nary a chance to even react to the attack I’ve made. I mean Omni-man who can ract to Supream and match him evenly has shown matching reactions in the nanosecond.

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Sorry for the late arrival…but here I am

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And I’d like to get us started off by spitting some facts:

Omni-Man isn’t blitzing anyone.

I am 100% sure that we are going to get treated to the following scans:

https://justpaste.it/img/e5f452eba1...14bb8c5d1db.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/efd4b1b23b...22755784f23.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/13815a92ad...5625f8524eb.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/a9c6a8738d...2ff1136a344.jpg

Sure, quite an impressive speed feat, if his opponents are being taken unaware.

Look at what happens when Omni-Man has to fight the Guardians of the Globe while they’re paying attention:

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https://justpaste.it/img/42c815c7fb...bd42f9b269f.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/68f2b23432...04231be47ed.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/9587df4330...5e994ff1065.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/2807899f7b...62286c4bbc3.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/ad1ca40fd7...5a48e3e02a8.jpg

So one of his most impressive blitzing feats ever, was entirely based on the requirements that it was a sneak attack.

There won’t be any funny business here, if anything, Omni-Man is about to find out that he was the king of a very small world, and my characters are going to show him just how far he has to go if he wants to compete with the big boy companies.

Which leads me to…

My impenetrable defense

Omni-Man is very limited in how he can attack my team, he’s a flying brick with none of the brains or versatility that Superman has which lets him overcome situations he shouldn’t. Therefore, I already guessed how he’s going to attack, and he can only do it one at a time, because whoever he attacks will be the last person he attacks.

If he attacks Osiris:

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Attacking Osiris is his worst decision possible.

Osiris has gone several rounds with Freddie Shazam:

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https://justpaste.it/img/989697b4cb...8057d3ea8aa.jpg

LET IT BE KNOWN that Shazam was at full power:

https://justpaste.it/img/0830706307...5f9a6132227.jpg

It is HIGHLY unlikely that Omni-Man could beat Osiris even one on one.

And as soon as you attack him, you’ll have both Atlas and Medusa on you in an instant providing support for Osiris.

If he attacks Atlas:

Another tactical error. Atlas isn’t giant Man, if you come at him, get ready for a fight. I want it to be very clear what happened the last time a super fast, super strong, flying brick came flying at Atlas:

https://justpaste.it/img/5e819b7a4d...a76c5bd2c92.jpg

That would be our beloved Hyperion, not just some flying brick from a small company. A real, balls to wall in feats hyperion, and Atlas caught him and was seconds away from giving him the Hercules treatment:

https://justpaste.it/img/7f906a6385...08aff8bbd48.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/dcae460788...f613f3e8f60.jpg

Atlas wasn’t even at half power when he was able to casually rag doll Hercules of all people. And Atlas can substantially increase his stats:

https://justpaste.it/img/b6f8845c98...ede12a5709b.jpg

So that’s now strength of an incredibly high tier, more than enough to give Omni-Man fits, and then some.

So that leaves…

Attacking Medusa first:

That will be your best bet. On paper.

Here’s the problem, if you do, you’ll be caught be either Atlas or worse, Osiris.

And from there, you’re getting rag dolled, no doubt about it.

Not that Medusa is any sort of pushover:

https://justpaste.it/img/a0f470e8aa...b925d4ddc73.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/631b9fe7ac...23337d6212b.jpg

https://justpaste.it/img/614bdf8fe4...7876266bf05.jpg

She casually rag dolled 4 members of the Shiar imperial guard, she is Black Bolt’s queen afterall.

So to summarize: The second you pick a target, you will be exposed to my other characters, if you attack Osiris, he can hold you all on his own, and likely win, then Atlas will beat you nigh to death while Osiris throws down the magic.

If you attack Atlas, you’ll have Osiris and medusa on you, holding you down and smashing you.

If you attack Medusa, you’ll have Osiris and Atlas on you while you try to untangle from her hair.

A perfect defense.

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Battle Plan

I didn’t post his second fight against the Guardians to just post the fact that he blew a blitz when he didn’t have prep time and his opponents didn’t. I want to show what happened to Omni-Man the second he became disoriented:

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Omni-Man got bodied by a featless wonder woman knock off the second he lost his bearings. I will leave that job to Osiris:

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Instant disorientation for Omni-Man,

I’ll follow up with Medusa restraining him, or Atlas simply slamming into the unbreakable planet we’re on. And given that it worked on Hercules, it’ll work on Omni-Man, that’s a fact.

It’s sweet and simple, and very effective. If Shazam couldn’t KO Osiris, you can’t either, if Atlas could catch Hyperion, he can catch you. If Medusa can restrain Gorgon, she can give you fits. And if Atlas can slam Hercules nigh unto death, you’re not going to be able to do a thing about it.

All it will take is a quick disorientation, and you’ll be beaten to death.

GG.

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Omni-Man is very limited in how he can attack my team, he’s a flying brick with none of the brains or versatility that Superman has which lets him overcome situations he shouldn’t.

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posted by Philosophia may 3rd 2021
Just a heads up, none of the tourney is in character. You have complete control over the character, he can do whatever you want him to like a videogame.

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_If Shazam couldn’t KO Osiris, you can’t either, if Atlas could catch Hyperion, he can catch you. If Medusa can restrain Gorgon, she can give you fits. And if Atlas can slam Hercules nigh unto death, you’re not going to be able to do a thing about it.

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Closing post

Inadequate counters are inadequate.

Uhh Damborg, so utterly disappointing.

So in response to me showing you how much lower in power Freddie is than Billy all you do is mention that in Trials of Shazam he has the wizards power. Let me ask dear friend why did you not offer the showings of this greater power ??
We all know the answer why, it’s because there aren’t any. Freddie has no feats greater than those shown in all other post crisis Shazam family appearances. The fact is I could scan dump tirals of Shazam Freddie and you would find nothing impressive what so ever. A showing vs Freddie is simply not a showing of note.

Judges, we don’t share feats. We don’t use the feats of Hal Jordan for another GL like Guy Gardner or Gnort. So just because Freddie had the power of Shazam without actual feats to show him performing better (of which there are none) we don’t apply a higher power level based on what another has shown. This is just a failed attempt to try and overstate the power of Freddie and by scaling Osiris. Freddie doesn’t have the feats on panel to show him fast enough to deal with Omni-man and neither does Osiris. Implied power simply doesn’t cut it when there is nothing shown by the character in feats to confirm it.

Then we had the inevitable Flash scan, that I already told you the context behind. He had prep and had placed multiple charges to direct the Flash’s movements by his reactions to avoid the explosions. He basically guided the Flash onto his sword. He didn’t react to him he made Flash stab himself.

Followed up by an inexperienced Kyle Raynor throwing a punch. How is that even a combat speed feat??? Kyle doesn’t have physical speed above a normal human. He wasn’t using his ring to fly at speed nor had he sped himself up.

Oh and then we have a complete non speed battle. Superman didn’t even move. Here’s the thing with invulnerable characters that have super speed. When they expect to be able to tank an attack without being harmed they have no reason to dodge it, no reason to react. Superman is invulnerable, he doesn’t need to dodge things. Wonder Woman on the other hand isn’t so she needs to use those bracers to deflect attacks or to dodge them. It’s the reason why even though Superman is faster WW has many many more reaction feats of note.

I LOL’d at the fact that you tried to use a feat of Osiris totally failing to react to lightning as an example of him having lightning speed. In that scan his sister Isis is offering herself to the gods. The lightning that is surrounding her is the gods taking that offer. He was trying to save her from the lightning and instead got struck by it and KO’d. Yeah that’s a total Speed feat ROFLMAO.

You want a reaction speed feat, how about catching the fist of Supreme in combat, followed by laying on a haymaker unstopped.
https://ibb.co/M76Lf9P
https://ibb.co/2N3QpzN

Now I could go on to post scan after scan of Supreme tagging guys who move with the speed of transmission signals
https://ibb.co/nLYS98k
https://ibb.co/vXHWP0R
or reacting in nanoseconds, blah, blah, blah. But really judges, I’ve already shown him pretty much faster than Gladiator and this is vastly above anything my adversary has shown combat speed wise.

Now here one might say that Supreme wasn’t using speed the way I’ve said Superman didn’t in the scan vs Slade. There is a total difference. Slade is a slightly enhanced human wielding a sword that Superman had every right to expect wouldn’t do anything to him. He wasn’t aware that it was a promethium sword and what that could do. Supreme on the other hand by the time they fought IS very much aware of what Omni-man can do and would be aware that he can throw a powerful. Powerful enough to at least have been ready to roll with it, yet he didn’t.

You will notice judges that Damborg offered nothing to counter the over hype of Atlas reacting to a second rate Hyperion. I suspect he doesn’t want to draw too much attention to that feat for fear of having it analyzed and the realization that it is the Hyperion of another earth with no substantiated feats. So much for double teaming, and without that he really doesn’t have a counter. He claims that I have not addressed his speed feats , but truly what feats has he truly offered? If there was a decent speed feat for Trials of Shazam Freddie I’m certain he would have shown it to shut down that argument completely. There however isn’t and therefore he can’t.

The question of canon

There is always the question of whether or not a cross over is canon (of course) which may bring into question some of the feats I’ve shown. To that I would like to point out two things. The first is that Omni-man fought Supreme in a Supreme comic and Supreme fought Gladiator in a marvel comic. These were not showings in a collaborated work, nor were they showings in a publication made by the company that would bias them against Omni-man in scaling. There is therefore no bias. If anything one would expect Supreme to be shown dominate in his own title and Gladiator dominant in a marvel title. The second is that unlike DC and Marvel Characters the rights to Image characters are owned by the creator not the publisher. As such there isn’t a large group of people who deal with the character. There is only a single creator who has the right of say over supreme, and that single creator had to be involved in the cross over because how else would they character have appeared in a cross over. So while with many other comics publisher there might be question during a crossover when it comes to whether or not it is canon with an image character this isn’t the case.


Judges, my adversary has rested on his laurels thinking his overstated ramped up hype is getting him over the line and it simply hasn’t covered it I’m afraid. He has been left wanting. His high meta bricks simply can’t match the speed, strength and deal with the durability of my mid herald brick. They simply cannot do enough damage to his incredible durability and resilience. I mean he was the first to get up from that dual KO between him and Supreme, and even combined his entire team can’t deliver the damage that Supreme can.

the one questionable part of my tactic

For those who may be thinking that my entire tactic of digging a trench on an “indestructible planet” won’t work, I will now show why it will. Judges the planet is indestructible not invulnerable/impervious. The reason we make these tournaments on such a venue is the same reason why we don’t make them on an impervious/invulnerable world. It is to preclude a combatant ending a fight without engaging his opponent of even getting close to them. To prevent them from killing their opposing team without engaging them by destroying the planet and taking away their breathable air

That very premise is why the planet’s crust MUST be permeable. There has to be plants on the planet for it to have a breathable atmosphere. This means that there has to be the ability for plant roots to make it through the ground. There has to be the ability for water to seep in. If not then we don’t have a sustainable atmosphere for the combatants to breath in. So if I can’t dig a trench there can’t be any plants on the planet to make breathable air. If that is the case, since Omni-man can out survive his adversaries when they run out of air I auto win without engaging. In this event all I have to do is stay far enough away from my opponents until they suffocate (or make them expend their remaining air supply exerting themselves and chasing me faster). In essence if the indestructible planet prevents my digging a trench it actually grants me the very win condition that the purpose of the setting was designed to prevent.

Summary
1.Damborg doesn’t have the speed showing for any of his team that puts them on the level of Omniman. Falsely scaling doesn’t cut it
2.His attempt to undermine Osiris being dodged and tagged by Slade wilson is to offer feats that either have context, or aren’t combat speed showings.
3.Conversely I have Omniman scaled evenly with Supreme in combat speed who actually has a reason to use it and far better scaling
4.Supreme can’t reactfast enought to avoind Omni-man but we are expected to believe that Osiris and Atlas can ?
5.None of his team have the damage output to put Omni-man down for a 10 count given that he got up from what KO’d Supreme faster.
6.I have offered a very simple strategy that the only counter to would be combat speed to avoid and his counters haven’t done that
Based on all this I totally fail to see how Damborg believes that

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sounds like my plan is the more solid one.

I mean seriously he would have you believe that

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So now, my characters stand ready to fight and you’re going to get double teamed no matter what choice you take, or triple teamed if you go after the wrong guy.

Despite not having offered any argument to counter my completely destroying his Atlas/Hyperion showing

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Closing thoughts…

Beatboks’ Plan vs My Plan

Being intimately aware of the limits and capabilities of Omni-Man, my plan was very simple, my group would stay together and whoever was targeted by Omni-Man had the sufficient feats to hold him steady enough for a gang beating.

Whether it was Osiris being able to literally take him 1v1, or Atlas snatching him out of the air like he’s done to Hyperion, who is faster than Omni-Man, or Medusa being able to entangle him enough for the boys to take him down, it’s very simple.

I’ll admit, I was worried about having to deal with a straight away blitz, because it comes down the judges’ preference a lot of the times on what they consider to be more valuable, speed or timing.

So I’ll illustrate what’s going to happen when that theory gets put to the test:

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Timing beats raw speed, and I’ve got the feats posted to back up my claim as posted in my rebuttal.

Does Boks? No, he doesn’t. Not that Omni-Man is slow, he’s just a fast brick heading into a gang rape.

But my worries are unfounded, because Boks didn’t even use the strategy I laid out for him. He decided to first dig a trench, and then come to the battlefield, essentially killing the element of surprise that could come with his massive charge.

Omni-Man lost his one chance at a quick kill for a more messy option which essentially guarantees my plan to go into effect, and not his.

My boys are just as strong and just as tough and there’s 3 of them.

Atlas is tough, like really tough.

He can throw down with Wonder Man, no worse for wear.

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One shot the thing:

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Disregards Luke Cage:

https://justpaste.it/img/b8e25857f9...078f968db6f.jpg

The idea that he would be easy pickings, especially with his speed feats, is frankly absurd.

It might surprise you all to see that Osiris has his own Invincible-like feats (with the gore and everything)

https://justpaste.it/img/d217a34331...f006e48347c.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uyEUIxD.jpg

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With the axe of the Persuader away, Osiris instantly reacts and chops him in half.

I was reading this and thought, that seems high end. And it seems there’s a good reason for that:

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If you can draw your attention to the bottom left, you can see that Osiris has confirmed Kryptonian level strength. That would on panel confirm that he is above a viltrumite.

And of course, Medusa:

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Literally putting my plan to work, as shown being able to momentarily restrain Thanos and left him open for attacks from teammates. Same thing’s going to happen to you.

And she’s deadly quick:

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She can restrain extremis iron-man before he can even react.

I think I’ve summed up how easy is it for Omni-Man’s plan to turn into a wreck. But just to be absolutely sure, I’ll post a quick preview of the fight:

Omni-Man flying:

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Gets intercepted:

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Gets disoriented:

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Gets the bejeezus slammed out of him, hard enough to phuck up Hercules who dwarfs Omni-Mans stats:

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Then assume the pounding:

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GG.

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Damborg vs Beatboks

Of the three matches I was asked to judge, this one was the most difficult. I know even less about the four characters in this one than I did any of the ones in the other bout, and I found myself reading posts two or three times over, double-checking scans to see if I could see things the same way the poster was. I flip-flopped in this fight more than I did in the previous ones, and even while writing this judgment I was constantly asking myself if I had the right choice in mind.

Eventually I had to pick one though, and my gut says to go with Damborgs team. As much as I liked the simplicity of Beatboks's strategy, and the scans provided, I just felt like things were a bit too murky for me to go all in. I didn't believe Omni-Man was as powerful as Beatboks said he was. I might be wrong, but I just didn't feel like I'd seen enough to convince me. On the other side of things, Damborg did enough to convince me that even if Atlas and Medusa weren't going to be the heaviest of hitters, that they could still help Osiris and do enough to make their presence known.

So, by a hair, Damborg gets my vote

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So, guys, I didn't see a single pun from either of you unlike the previous match. You guys are off to a great start.

So, their strategies. Beatboks plans on making the Mariana Trench envious and toss them in there, and Damborg is gonna sit and wait like a good anchor(R6S reference).

So Beatboks showed Omni-Man being strong enough to dig the trench, and showed some speed. Meanwhile Damborg showed Omni-Man blitzing a team unaware, and after, followed by feats to argue his team can react. His example for being faster than Invincible was solid, but I'm not sold on the fight with Supreme. Only direct example and it assumes they were fighting at super speed.

On Medus and Atlas being able to react in time.....maybe? Damborg showed only one example for each but not enough to make a convincing argument. Outside that, I do think enough was shown that on pure strength Atlas can at least compete, and Medus even momentarily restraining Thanos wouldn't make her useless against Omni-Man if she can grab him.

However, his arguments for Osiris were better. Beatboks spent good chunks of both his second and final post arguing Freddy is weak, he doesn't get Billy's feats, he wasn't shown to be more powerful, ect. While there are unanswered issues with his scans, that's not relevant. Damborg posted Feddy Shazam fighting Blaze. Who even if I were completely unfamiliar with her, the tier list here puts her a "little" above Omni-Man. He also showed Osiris literally breaking through Persuader, and Atom stating Osiris is Kryptonian level in strength.

For Osiris' speed, Damborg showed the lightning example. Even if Damborg is wrong about Osiris intercepting it(and instead getting hit when trying to avoid it), just the speed of the lightning itself is more than 5 times the standard Beatboks gave. But Osiris would be much faster than that due to having to recognize and react to the situation, close the distance and grab Isis.

Beatboks tried to lowball Osiris by using a fight with Deathstroke, but Damborg showed other examples of Deathstroke vs X. Beatboks argued only one was speed relevant and had context, but I saw it wasn't actually addressing Damborg's point, that Osiris isn't the only character with a low showing against Slade.

As for Beatboks talking about canon and Earth, I actually hadn't thought about GLADIATOR/SUPREME being canon or not, or even if the rules allow it. Phil seems to allow it and Damborg didn't protest it so I'm factoring it in despite being unsure.

On the Earth, actually you guys both got it wrong. It's not indestructible but regenerating. Makes me wonder whether digging the trench will even work, but that's not too important.

Regardless of the state of the trench, the fight will have to start where Damborg's team is. And I've seen enough to give Damborg my vote on Osiris alone, the others may or may not help.