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Martin Scorcese Slams Marvel

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I overall disagree, even though I'd not compare the story quality of a film like GoTG to his The Departed, they're both great films, but for different reasons and "cinema" is a very broad thing.


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Old timers in the 60's said the same thing about Westerns.
In the 80s it was over the top action movies, etc.

Nothing new here.


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Especially considering multiple marvel movies have plenty of relationship and character building. The soul stone fight between Hawkeye and Widow was so touching because they've shown for years that they're at least as good friends as Cap and Bucky are just for one example.

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scorcese is correct. thumb up

unlike him, I enjoy some comic book movies, but they are all pretty dumb and lacking any true substance


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His point seems to center on the apparent lack of "convey, emotional, psychological experiences to another", is simply wrong though. That happens even in comic films, you may personally feel they're shit performances (and some are), but they happen.

Tony with Peter

Thor with Loki

Thor in Infinity War when he's talking about all he's lost in life and what keeps him going


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I see no complexity in their linear and predictable human relationships. The addition of funny wisecracks and banter doesn't change that. Characters switching from good guy to bad guy to good guy definitely does not change that (yes, I'm talking to you as well, star wars)


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Well that was quite pretentious of Scorsese.


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In fairness, I don't think they're aimed at him.


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Scorsese says comic book movies aren't cinema just like Bill Maher says that Stan Lee is overrated just like Roger Ebert says that video games aren't art.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with it or even acknowledge it.


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I expected better from someone like Scorcese, tbh.


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F^CK THAT ***** SCORSESE..


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Usually hear this talk from a director every 5 month's these days. He's entitled to his opinion doesn't mean i have to agree with it.


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Based Scorsese laying out facts.

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Somewhere Quanchi just added Scorsese to ...."THE LIST!"


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Its his opinion. Disney shills dont allow different opinions.

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Joss Whedon replied to it on twitter.


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Originally posted by Bashar Teg
scorcese is correct. thumb up

unlike him, I enjoy some comic book movies, but they are all pretty dumb and lacking any true substance
I'm going to semi agree but go a step further. These "comic book" movies bar character names bear little resemblance to comic books. They do not convey the scale of a cosmic comic, or even the kitsch emotional narrative of how Kotvac died for love in Avengers 167. No comic book movie has had the high melodrama of Miller's first Daredevil run say. They are more 1 dimensional than the two dimensional pages they are taken from. That is not to say Iron Man 1 or V for Vendetta are not great films. They are exceptions to everything I just said and there are others. Focussing on the soap opera and crossover elements of Marvel comics hasn't helped the plot.


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Re: Martin Scorcese Slams Marvel

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Obviously some comic films are better than others at conveying real psychological and emotional human experiences. But they all largely overwhelm those elements with "theme park" spectacle that is more aimed at kids and the inner child of adults. So I think Scorsese certainly makes good points. The best films (no matter what genre: sci-fi, drama, action/adventure, etc) do incorporate real humanity in them, so completely disregarding a whole sub-genre seems a little extreme and close-minded, but I imagine he's speaking more out of irritation that comicbook films have basically taken over the market and smaller, more human films get buried and obscured. Which is why I still value the Oscars because they still serve as a vehicle to expose people to great films that they may not otherwise know about. Green Book, for example, was amazing. I likely wouldn't have known about it if it weren't for the Oscars.


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F^CK THAT ***** SCORSESE..


Lol, So all you comic nerds, try not to get all your panties in a bunch, because Scorsese is an old-school filmmaker, so this shouldn't be all that surprising.


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I overall disagree, even though I'd not compare the story quality of a film like GoTG to his The Departed, they're both great films, but for different reasons and "cinema" is a very broad thing.


Right, cinema has changed drastically with advances in technology. It was inevitable. My mom always says she can't stand all the new special effects. She watches tons of movies from the 30s, 40s, and 50s. I mean, I get it, the special effects often do overwhelm real human experience. Anyone should be able to sympathize with that especially coming from someone from a much older generation. That being said, I was able to turn my mom onto some great modern films like The Matrix Trilogy. She loves the Matrix films' mixture of ideas and human connection. At least the special effects largely exist in support of the story (with some spectacle, of course).


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Originally posted by Kazenji
Joss Whedon replied to it on twitter.



You don't care to share what he said?


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