The Council of Manwë-Unfinished Tales Finished Version

The following is the Council of Manwë as finished by someone on the Internet, said to be the Tolkien Estate (I found this three years ago):

'Nigh onto 1000 years after the Third Age had begun, Manwë Súlimo, chief and lord of the Ainur, called forth a council of his most trusted advisors, and dearest friends, for he was troubled on the matter of Sauron, the Dark Lord of Mordor.
And so the Elder King called forth the advisors to the top of Taniquetil, a top Oiolossë, and there, the chief lords of the Ainur began to debate about the matter of Sauron.'

'And Manwë said, "You all, my advisors and dearest friends, have been called forth to Oiolossë to answer the fate of the watching of the Hither Lands, of Middle-earth."
Námo, (Mandos), arose, and he said, "Why, Elder King, must we tamper with the fate of Middle-earth? Have I not laid down already the Doom of Námo? Let Thauron the Thrall of Melkor devour those unfaithful to Eru, and then, when he is done, we shall take him and set him in the void." And all of the Council were silent, as Námo had spoke of the destruction of Arda.
And Manwë Súlimo replied, "Nay, Námo, for I shalt not make the same mistake I once did with Melkor, the Dark Lord. And should not you know that the Doom of Námo is not come for many an age?"'

'The Ainur that gathered discussed until the light had gone down in the West, near Aman.
(The Ainur gathered there were: Manwë, Varda, Námo, Orome, Yavanna, Curumo, Aiwendil, Alatar, Pallando, Eonwe, and Ingwe, Lord of the Elves),
The Ainur agreed that three of the Maiar would venture to Middle-earth as emissaries of the West, and they would be of the Istari.
"Yet," began Manwe, "who would go? For they must be mighty, and even peers of Thauron, but who must forgo might, and clothe themselves in flesh, so as to treat on equality, and to win the trust of the Quendi, and of the Atani. But this would undoubtedly imperil them, dimming both their wisdom and their knowledge, and confusing them with fears, and cares, and weariness, coming from the flesh."'

'Yet oly two of the Istari came forth: Curumo, who was sent by Aule*; and Alatar, who had been brought forth by Orome.
And, then spoke Manwe, "Yet where is Olorin?"

And Olórin, who was clad in grey, and having just entered from a journey had seated himself at the edge of the council, asked what Manwe would have of him. Manwe replied that he wished Olórin to go as the third messenger to Middle-earth (and it is remarked in the parentheses that "Olórin was a lover of the Eldar who had remained", apparently to explain Manwe's choice). But Olórin declared that he was too weak for such a task, and that he feared Sauron. Then Manwe said that that was all the more reason why he should go, and that he commanded Olórin [...]. But at that Varda looked up and said: "Not as the third"; and Curumo remembered it.

~Arroch, I was going to add that, and what I found was only a bit changed. It probably is a fake, but it's still cool.~

'And Olorin, having just entered from a long journey, and who was clad in grey, had seated himself at the edge of the Council in progress, unbeknown st to all.
And Olorin answered, "Yes Lord Manwe, what would you have of me?"
"I wish that thou would go to Middle-earth and be the third emissary against the powers of Thauron."
Yet Olorin replied, "Nay my Lord, for I am weary, too weary for such a task as this; and moreover, my Lord, I fear Thauron, much as I feared Melkor."'

-> mine is just directly from the Unfinished Tales, where it says
"Of major interest, however, is a brief and very hasty sketch of a narrative, telling of a council of the Valar, summoned it seems by Manwe ("And maybe he called upon Eru for counsel?"😉, at which it was resolved to send out three emissaries to Middle-earth. "Who would go.......?" ~

The text I typed is most probably only the summary of it, perhaps yours is the "real" original text?
Seems possible...

isn't this extremely illegal copyright stuff 🙄

-> as far as I know, quoting of small passages to underline points of view is not illegal,

Otherwise half of my posts would be VERY illegal

Eru should have stopped Melkor from starting trouble in the first place 😕

Didn't Aule the archangel send both Sauron and then Saruman onto Earth... I see a pattern...

Originally posted by shaber
Eru should have stopped Melkor from starting trouble in the first place 😕

Should he?

He wanted Melkor to be free in his choice... and he created him fully knowing how evil he was

And thou, Melkor, wilt discover all the secret thoughts of thy mind, and wilt perceive that they are but a pant of the whole and tributary to its glory

Without Darkness there can be no Light, without evil no good - Melkor is essential for Middleearth.

Aule didn't send them both, but Sauron as well as Saruman were Aule's servants; Aule was also the Vala most alike Melkor, Tolkien specifies that in the sil

we had a nice thread about it 😛
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25846
😉

~As I said, I got this off of a website two years ago, and I think most of it is fake, except for the parts identical to Unfinished Tales.~

'And then, Manwe, Lord of Arda spoke.
"Yet, Olorin, that is all the more reason to go. You would indeed receive the trust of the Quendi and Atani. And also, you are moreover a lover of the Eldar that remain in Aman. I command thou to leave as the third of the Heren Istarion, and to depart to Middle-earth now."
Varda, spouse of Manwe spoke, and she said, "Nay Lord, not as the third." And Curumo remembered it long, nigh onto his very death.'

Originally posted by Montross
I command thou to leave as the third of the Heren Istarion, and to depart to Middle-earth now

Interesting,

In my text it says that this passage was illegible except for one word that seemed to mean "third" 😆

Originally posted by Montross
~As I said, I got this off of a website two years ago, and I think most of it is fake, except for the parts identical to Unfinished Tales.~

'And latter in the day, it was decided that five, not three, would go forth to Middle-earth, so as to lead the free peoples against the tyranny of evil constructed by Thauron, and before him, by Melkor.
It was decided that Olorin would go, and that Curumo would also go, and that he would bring with him Aiwendil, as to please Yavanna, spouse of Aule. Alatar, of the Ithryn Luin, would bring his kin Pallando with him.'

'At the departure of the Istari from Aman, to the Havens of Lindon, Eonwe, Herald of Manwe, and Ingwe, Lord of the Quendi, awaited them.
Eonwe stood, and there he stood, silent. He bowed when his fellow Ainur departed onto the great boat that sped them across the Belegaer.
The Lord Ingwe, stopped Olorin, however, and said, "Olorin, I await your coming at the Isles of Shadow-may you return with great haste. You must not allow Thaurons' power to grow, for he shall be as powerful as Melkor. Go now."
And with such haste as never seen before by the Ainur, the five Istari departed, and by the end of the War of the Ring, only one of their number returned-Olorin.'

Aule sent sauron and Saruman?

damn Aule, you got 1 strike left baby.

are you sure he sent Sauron,