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About Dooku losing to Anakin.
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About Dooku losing to Anakin.

Where's the evidence that Dooku WAS going all out?

Also, where's the evidence that Dooku was holding back?

I'm unsure what to make of this scene in RotS.

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there is no evidence.

my take: dooku was holding out as per his arrogance. his intention was to turn anakin and have him kill sidious, as i believe he hoped from kenobi in ep2. he baits anakin by telling him to release his anger and hate, and gets far more than he expected. off with the head.

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I personally think dooku was going all out. Dooku had been almost defeated by anikan as a padawan and I think he knew, sidious there or not, that he had to be careful with anikan


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"Almost defeated in AOTC by padawan Anakin?"

Dude... wtf?


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yeah, anakin got his ass handed to him in ep2. not even debatable

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But he put up a nice fight for a puny padawan.

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Hardly, Dooku was toying with him. One minute long hesitation and Dooku finally takes his sweet time lopping off that fruit's arm.


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Dooku was messin wit anakin's head,he probly wanted anakin to join him n kill sidious,cuz cmon,dooku prolly sensed the plot from sidious


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Re: About Dooku losing to Anakin.

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Where's the evidence that Dooku WAS going all out?

Also, where's the evidence that Dooku was holding back?

I'm unsure what to make of this scene in RotS.
ROTS novel.


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Pretty much said and done, closing.


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Re: About Dooku losing to Anakin.

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[B]where's the evidence that Dooku was holding back?[B]


Chapter 2 of the ROTS novel.


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Basically all there is know is that Anakin was fighting out with Dooku with revenge in his heart. He's a more experienced warrior than he was in Ep II, so he was determined to show Dooku so as he was still effected with what happened. Anakin was simply better than Dooku, and thats why he lost


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its simple, Dooku is a Sith lord, those dudes always wanna bring the worst out in everyone, its in their nature to spread lies, deciet and corruption, well as far as Dooku goes. Anakin/Vader had a different Sith nature, more a need for order as well as power.

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If you look at Dooku's dialogue, you can sure see that he was provoking Anakin. I think it's not because he wanted Anakin at his side....not at all...He wanted to defeat him so he couldn't take his place at Sidious' side. He was provoking him so he would make a mistake which would result in his defeat. But Dooku like any Sith Lord was overconfident.
About Dooku telling about Sidious to Obi-Wan in ep II? That was not to get Kenobi at this side. Dooku wanted the Jedi to know that there possible was a Sith Lord in the senate to create suspicion between the senate and the Jedi.


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the ROTS novel makes it perfectly clear that dooku was set-up by sidious
for the reason that

1.)sidious wanted to test the water with anakin and felt that dooku was obsolete
2.)he knew once anakin had killed dooku he would be able to brainwash him into thinking the dark anti-jedi murder was his own revenge
3.)dooku at first was toying with anakin but as it states in the novel soon realised he was in trouble but by then he had given anakin too much time to gather his confidence and his anger and hate


the book i read was written by matthew stover i dont know if there are other ROTS books written by other authors but this is how it is in that one

the scene in the film is quite in-accurate to the story as it does not portray dooku's struggle well enough i think thats why people get confused


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yeah, I like the novel, but there is a lot in the novels that the writers add themselves...so I don't know if you can consider everything missing as canon. For example...Anakin is upset that he ain't a master cause he can't get access to the holocrons. That was never in the script...that was just invented by the writer himself.


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No it isnt canon but I do believe the ROTS novel was approved by GL wasnt it?


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Dooku was clearly superior to Anakin and Obi-Wan. He was able to WTFpwn Kenobi and kick Anakin a few metres backwards.

Dooku uses a style designed for dueling and has far more experience than both of them.

I think Dooku was just being arrogant, personally.

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I'd have liked the novel better if the writer hadn't done that "this is how if feels like to be anakin" to death!

"This is how it feels like to read a novel that uses a cheap literary device: 'cough, hack, wheeze.'"

Ya know, in practically every lightsaber battle, somebody makes a mistake. Every time somebody loses an arm, they usually leave it hanging out there a half-second too long, with no protection. It's like two boxers where one will connect to the chin because the other didn't protect his face.

And I think a lot of the time we see the arm unprotected for so long is so we the viewers can see it being taken off, which is artist's license. And actually it's not that long, but seeing it over and over and breaking it down frame-by-frame in slow motion makes us think "Gee those jedi were idiots."

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Well that's how one wins melee fights ain't it, split-second mistakes.


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