1.) Vulcan powers to put it vaguely is that he can manipulates energy. He hasn't shown any limits as he negated Rachel's Psionic and Phoenix Energy.
2.)Darwin is an X-Men from the X-Men 1.5 team which was the second team to be sent to Krakoa. Sway and Petra were also part of this team...Emma was almost part of this team.
Darwin has the ability to adapt to any situation in order to survive. He can also consciously activate his powers.
3.) Yep, from Apocalypse but she's not a mutant anymore
She has a fragment doesn't she, hence the Phoenix Symbol that kept appearing during the Shiar attack and the Phoenix mark that keeps appearing on her face.
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Nope. The Phoenix mark and firebird is just a physical manifestation of her powers. Jean used to have the same thing even when she wasnt serving as an avatar for the Force. Its in the Grey genetics to be a Phoenix however the Force doesnt currently reside within her, she has just her standard tp/tk chronoskimmin abilities.
You mean this? She may not have the Phoenix Force but she does have a Phoenix Fragment...heck everyone seems to have them these days...Jean's Phoenix conscience used to have that black speech bubble...Rachel had a normal one and a red one but now she has a black one.
Rachel just like Jean has in recent years always manifests her powers in that fashion, its just her energy signature. She is after all a Phoenix. She is not however currently a Phoenix host, therefore she does not possess a Phoenix fragment. As stated in Cable issues 83 to 84, the Force abandoned Rachel.
Not everything Cable says is entirely true. She may have lost the PF but so far she's demonstrated Phoenix-Like Qualities which includes the Black Bubble. Heck like you said she is a Phoenix and like you've said before there's is only One Phoenix Force. And shouldn't she possess a fragment if she's a Phoenix?
Heck even Emma Frost supposedly possesses a fragment after the Force was ripped from her body. even the Cuckoos possess a fragment and they aren't anything uber yet.
And according to the that newish Shiar Arc she's showing signs of getting it back. And this is what the Shiar feared.
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Rachel no longer possesses the Phoenix Force. She is genetically a Phoenix she has the potential to serve as a host however she is only empowered by the Force as and when it decides she is required to perform her Phoenix duties.
If Rachel herself states that she no longer has the Phoenix power then no offence but you are in no position to say otherwise. Rachel merely having a Phoenix energy signature is insuffcient evidence for you to speculate when Rachel and her mother both manifest this signature at points when it is made quite clear that they dont possess the Force. It is just an energy signature representative of their heritage. They have the geneteic potential to be hosts for the power, however when they are hosts for the power is up to the Force.
Rachel says she's not the same person as her mother, as the Phoenix. Hence the "Ï'm my own person" comment. That doesn't mean she doesn't possess the Phoenix Fragment. The Cuckoos possess a fragment and they don't consider themselves the Phoenix. It's only when you possess the Force that you are the Phoenix.
The Black Bubble has always been a symbol of the Phoenix consciousness, in New X-Men, Endsong. Why is it any different here?
Youre speculating here EC. Rachel has said on panel that she no longer possesses the Phoenix Force. She states that and says she only has her basic tp/tk. Rachel has been demonstrated on panel only possessing said abilities. Both Racel and her mother as Phoenixes manifest their powers in the bird like energy signature, however they both do not have Phoenix powers unless they are required to perform their duties. Until such times as it is announced on panel that Rachel has got her Phoenix powers back and she is shown performing feats in kind then you are totally unjustified in stating that she possesses a Phoenix fragment or that she has access to Phoenix powers. That is the crux of the matter.
Emma or the Cuckoos apparrently having Phoenix fragments has nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion so i dont know why you keep bringing it up. In that situation you actually saw parts of the Force approaching them, with the Rachel situation regardless of the fact that its canon that the Force abandoned her in Cable #84 youre assuming she has a fragment because of the appearance of her energy signature. Not good enough. Inconclusive. Just how her powers manifest themselves.
I never said she had the Phoenix Force just a fragment but fair enough, that feat however where she overextended her powers while trying to protect the protect the city from the Shiar attack caused her to tap into "something" which ignited the black bubble. And the black bubble has always symbolized the Phoenix conciousness. Manifesting her energy signal as a firey bird and a Phoenix tattoo as part of her mutation is understandable but the black bubble is a completely different issue.
Again she may have not have the Force but her being able to utilize that black bubble does imply a lot.
But again, fair enough. I believe the next issue of Uncanny will have her more involved in the story, and by the end of the arc she'd have made their worst fears come true.
BTW The Emma thing was to prove that you can have the Force ripped out of you and still possess a fragment.
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