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darth vader theroy.
i dunno what sw forum this should be in.
alot of us know vader means father in dutch i was thinking what if somehow palpatine knows vader has children and when anakin becomes vader he gives him that name.
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Jun 13th, 2004 12:44 AM |
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Xam
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i truly dont know.
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Jun 13th, 2004 02:40 AM |
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yerssot
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he doesn't know, it's said in ROTJ by Obi Wan
(not the exact quote)
"The emperor knew that if Anakin would have any offspring they would form a threat for him"
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Jun 13th, 2004 10:24 AM |
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palpatine knew but my question is is that why he gave anakin the vader name because he's the father of the twins?
of course vader wont know till after after anh.
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Jun 13th, 2004 10:25 PM |
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Sith Master X
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Perhaps it is just a coincidence that Vader means father in Dutch. It'll probably mean something else in Episode 3. Can't be to sure though.
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Jun 14th, 2004 01:50 AM |
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Xam
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maybe
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Jun 14th, 2004 03:29 AM |
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yerssot
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it probably means something different yeah, cause if they form a danger to the Chosen One, why would Palpatine let them live? the Chosen One is supposed to bring balance to the force and with him on the Dark Side with no one forming danger to him, the Sith can rule
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Jun 14th, 2004 08:11 AM |
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Ushgarak
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Yes, the name will be nothing to do with anything like that.
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Jun 14th, 2004 12:45 PM |
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dwizard
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I had to reply to this becasue I think everyone just dosent see the obvious.
Darth Vader knew he had a child. He didnt know he had twins.
It was never said that he didnt know. If everyone can go back to the empire strikes back as soon as he found out the pilots name was skywalker he began his chase without the emperor. The emporer knew after a vision that the son of skywalker must be killed.
Durring the discussion with vader, If you noticed vader pleaded with the emperor, "He is only a boy." There is where you see he has been searching for him all his life.
Now torwards the end of empire strikes back, Vader again pleads for Luke to join him, "the emperor knows you can destroy him. He has forseen it. Join me! Obi wan never told you what happened to your father."
Another hint signafying that infact he knew that he did have a child. It is no secret that Vader knows that he had a child. What he didnt realize was that he didnt have a twin. In return of the Jedi in the final conflict when Luke faced Vader once again this time trying to draw him to the light side of the force, Vader was looking to use what ever was necessary to bring Luke to his side to destroy the emperor and sensed that Luke was hiding something. A weakness. The fact that he had a sister.... A twin sister.
His words were obvious, "Obi Wan was wise to hide her from me! If you will not turn perhapse she will." He intised him to fight. Using his sister to provoke anger in him.
So all in all the name Vader fits the description. He knows that padme is indeed very pregnant, he just dosent know that he has twins.
Im pretty sure that when he turns to the darkside they take padme away to hide her from him as he becomes an agent of evil and in turn he becomes even more twisted then ever.
So im sure that the name Vader in fact is a way for the emporer to twist him to the darkside even more. By calling him Vader its like a tease that your a father and your friends hid your child from you. A tactic to anger him, to cause him to hate... which in fact leads him to the darkside and keeps him there. Of course until Luke brings him back.
But by loving padme, by having children, and confronting his past by seeing luke he fulfills his destiny as the chosen one.
A promise to his mother he made long ago at her grave, "I promise you I will not be weak next time."
Another point he made was to Padme, "I will be so powerful that I will stop people from dieing."
He looks at his son, then looks at the emporer, then looks again at his son his head tilting a bit showing his emotion as his son is being electricuted by the emporer... VADER..... FATHER.....
Freak yeah... He did what any loving father would do, sacrifice his own life for the life of his child. Love brought him back... The love of his mother, the love of padme, and most importantly the love of his children.
So im sure he was searching all his life as Vader (or Father) for the child. He was just surprised it was two children not one.
I think this story is the best story ever told on film....
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Mar 15th, 2005 02:14 PM |
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dwizard
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One last point to be made...
The emporer named him vader to twist him even more. That is my theory. To name him Vader in honor of his lost child...
If this goes that route I will be one happy fan.
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Mar 15th, 2005 03:57 PM |
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BornToRule
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if it might be to any help i can say that used to read deutch in shool and they dont say V as V in deutch they say V as F so it must mean something else..........
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Mar 16th, 2005 03:57 PM |
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Padmé Amidala
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The word Vader comes from the word invader, nothing to do with him having off-spring! lol
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Mar 16th, 2005 07:38 PM |
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Darth_Nefarus
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Thank you! I've said the invader thing in 3 bajillion threads already and it's like people ignore it or don't get it.
he invades the jedi temple.
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Mar 16th, 2005 07:57 PM |
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The Rover
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GL has said that "Invader" has nothing to do with it. 
Neither does "Father".
There is a Thread about this in the Ep. III Forum....go there if you wan't a more heated discussion.
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Mar 17th, 2005 12:56 AM |
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Darth Subjekt
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really messiah? When did he specifically say it had nothing to do with invader? The ONLY thing i remember him saying, was that it meant dark warrior.
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Mar 17th, 2005 05:10 PM |
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mcooper
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The Emperor makes him Darth Vader before he looses to Obi-wan
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Apr 26th, 2005 05:50 AM |
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gerv78
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Vader's Name
In the book, when Palpatine names Vader he says something like “….From this day foward, my Apprentice, the truth of you shall be now and forevermore Darth”; a pause, a questioning in the force…..an answer, dark as the gap between galaxies; he heard Sidius say it, his new name….”Vader” A pair of syllables that meant Him….. So apparently the force gave Anakin his new "Sith" name. The force obviously knew he was going to have twins so the Dutch meaning for Vader actually makes sense. However, I didn't know dutch was in a galaxy far, far away......
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May 18th, 2005 04:13 PM |
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Fishy
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Why not there are thousands of other weird languages in that galaxy..
And when GL made ANH and Vader he didn't even know he would make ESB and ROTJ he had no intention of doing that just yet, ha had not figured out Luke was Vaders son yet. So he didn't think of the name because of that.
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May 18th, 2005 04:29 PM |
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yerssot
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Fishy is right, it's just a coincidence I think that Vader has that meaning
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May 18th, 2005 04:53 PM |
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Kuun
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If Vader means 'dark Warrior' as is mentioned above, that would be the best explanation so far. That is, when Invader is not true...
And in Germany (deutsch) the V sounds as an F. In the Netherlands it sounds like a V. Like gerv78 said, there is no Dutch in a galaxy far far away. Although they do have species that talk with familiar sounding accents... I mean why would all dark lords in the movies have names that come from english words and then have a Dutch word no one knows for Anakin's Sith name. Doesn't add up! And the remark about palpatine not knowing about the baby's untill the OT is a good one. Just as the baby's aren't lost before the end of the movie, so why name him Darth Father to twist him, when that's not even an issue yet??
I guess we have to look for another explanation.
Gr,
Dutch Vader :P
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