Question, Mace seemed to know how to block lightning with his saber. We also saw Obi-wan do this against Dooku. The real question for me is was Luke faking in return of the jedi when Sidious was hitting him with lightning? For one thing if Obi-wan knew how to block lightning with his saber Luke would then have been taught that an be very away of that force power of Sidious. 2nd, considering how quickly Mace died from the lightning, Luke shoulda got fried in Jedi like 3 times over. Was luke using healing force/absorb force when he was getting hit with lightning an just trying to bait his father into being good again?
Because if the emperor forsaw Luke destroying him, yoda an Obi-wan would of had him much better prepared since they knew all of Sidious's force powers.
I think all of this points towards Luke was toying with Sidious in order to turn his father back from the darkside. The exact same way Sidious toyed with Mace to turn his father to the darkside. Kind of a, it took this to take him to the darkside, now it takes the EXACT samething to bring him back from the darkside. Since Anakin watched Mace die like that, an of course must of felt guilty all of those years. Then he saw Luke dying the same way an couldnt take it.
More evidence, Anakin/Vader got hit with Lightning for a few seconds when he was throwing Sidious/Palpatine off the ledge and it killed him in the end. Yet Luke was taking lightning for days an not dying.
When was Luke being fried for days? Mace didn't die from the lightning from that short of time, he was blasted out the window. Luke wasn;t faking because he said outside on Endor that his "father truly was dead". Anakin/Vader died so fast from the lightning because his mechanical parts couldn't take it. And once he turned back, his suit wouldn't let him live because the suit was made from the Dark Side (star wars databank, they actually have a spot for his suit). I'm not sure if Luke was using some Force Heal, I don't think he could have learned it that fast, but it's possible. In episode 3, Anakin cut Mace's hand off not to kill him, but to stop him from asassinating the chancellor because Sidious said he was too tired so he thought it was safe and he would have just stood trial. But yeah, he probably felt guilty if he were to do it twice in a row. To sum it all up, I don't think Luke was faking.
No that's not Luke's way...that would also lead to the Dark Side...Luke was really suffering...if he was faking it...then both Vader and the Emperor would have noticed that. what would he have done when vader threw the emperor in the reactor core....
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Palpatine dimmed down the attack on Luke. Luke really WAS the last of the Jedi, and Palpatine was enjoying torturing him slowly to death. If he so chose to speed it up, Luke would have died VERY quickly.
Luke was begging for help because he was painfully dieing. He had thought that Anakin Skywalker truly was dead and gone. This was his last plea that he summoned during his experience of writhing agony. If I was in his situation, I'd try anything to get out of it.
Both Obi-Wan and Mace were highly trained Jedi, one of them the second most powerful Master on the Council. They would have the power and know-how to block lightning with their sabers. Luke had, in total, about two weeks worth of training. He could not have learned this defence even if he knew about it.
Vader didn't "remember Mace." Vader felt great compassion and sympathy toward his son. His own flesh and blood. That's why he snapped to.
And despite Palpatine's restraint when he was zapping Luke, that same degree of Lightning would definetley be enough to short-circuit Vader's mechanical Iron Lung. That's why Vader is such a lousy fighter when compared to ROTS Anakin. His suit and wounds constricted him to no ends. And that's why he died as quickly as he did.
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I dont think its about training, Luke trained a lot alone and Yoda said (altho not in the film), but in the book he was the fastest learner he ever had.
if you compare the lightning
lets talk about Dooku...he used lightning on Anakin, but it didn't knock Anakin out, he banged Anakin with the lightning against a wall which made him unconciouss
Mace would probably be in the same condition as Luke if he didn't fell out of the window...like someone else said...he didnt die because of the lightning but because of the high fall. There are even rumours (just rumours) that he might still be alive, cause Jedi can take hard falls.
Palpatine kept using lightning on Luke, he was not able to block it, but because he was lying down he was captured by it and had no where to flee...he would have died a slow death by the lightning if Vader didn't interfere.
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This thread has been done. It's retarded, because do you think that some farmboy with a little bit of training would know that a lightsaber blade could absorb some sort of lightning that he had no clue what it was? I seem to recall Luke tossing his lightsaber somewhere. Do you think that he could figure out that he could block it with his saber, then figure out where his saber was, then Force pull it to him, then ignite it, then block the lightning, all in about a second?
According to the novel treatment by Donald Glut, Luke tried to block the lightning in the beginning but was easily overwhelmed.
Vader got the juice turned up on him when he had Palp in his grip to throw him down the shaft.
If this book is the novelization of ROTJ, then it isn't canon. Luke tossed his saber, and DIDN'T try to block the lightning according to the film.
Despite Luke's quick learning, he had only a couple of weeks of training. Maybe if he had a year or two he may have learned to block it. But that would surpass any Jedi in history. ESB-ROTJ Luke is NOWHERE near that level.
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He did rememnber Mace, though. That was half the point- by seeing such a similar thing happened again, but this time to someone he cared about, the whole of his life was out into perspective, and he knew that now was time to spontanouesly act once more, this time for a good reason.
But that wasn't even vaguely intentional from Luke, who went there to solve everything himself and rightly got the crap fried out of him.
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No Jedi can block it if he doesn't have his lightsaber...the only thing you can say Luke was stupid about was tossing his lightsaber away....
Luke didn't train as long as the other Jedi, but he did say that he learned already very much before training with Yoda...Luke was almost a Jedi Knight in ROTJ, so he would be (just a guess) at the same level of Anakin in episode II by then. Even Anakin wasn't fast enough to block it with his lightsaber.
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The only exception, of course, is Yoda.
Per the novel, Luke tried to block it with his hand, not hands since of course one is mechanical.
Just a theory, had Luke not gone after his friends and stayed on Dagobah long enough for proper training, he might have been powerful enough to stand up to the Emperor. But then again, this idea was fleshed out (see Star Wars Infinities: A New Hope by Dark Horse).
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Very interesting thought......Yoda should have from Lukes begining trained him to absorb and return sith lightning since even mighty master yoda got bitcheslapped with it......but Luke left without full training etc...who knows but none the less good thread I feel.....much debate left on this subject....I will contemplate and do a little research on other opinions and see what i find....I save my vote for later...if this is a time limit vote somebody lemme know!
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so palps wasnt faking either then right he was to weak and beaten down by mace? Im wondering did they both fake it to trick annie?....still wondering though....lol
Feb 16th, 2006 09:44 PM
that would be very funny!
