As I was watching "The Terminator" again last night, my nagging question about the film arose once again -- did John Connor tell Kyle to impregnate Sarah ? I assume not, but wouldn't it have been risky for John not to say anything to Kyle? Give how machine-like he was, he could've saved Sarah but never tried to have sex with her, and John may never have been born. As it turned out, Sarah made the first move after Kyle said he loved her, and all was good.
Hehe I have followed this moves for years and never thought about that. HOW THE HELL DO YOU TELL SOMEONE TO HAVE SEX WITH YOUR MOM. I don’t think he did he probably just figure that things would play out the way they where suppose to. but who knows
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If Kyle Reese had known, he would have fought even harder to both survive himself and to save Sarah Connor.
The real question then becomes WHY didn't JC provide some superior tactical data to his father on the nature of particularly the endgame threat to himself and Sarah (the phone call, the individual rather than collective 'straddle fire' pipe bombing and the problem at the factory where a little quicker action might have allowed Kyle to chuck a pipe bomb at the Terminator while it was down).
Since _survival_ will also increase (extend) the 'exposure to crisis' factors of mutual attraction.
Given there would be some back=forward problems if elder Kyle actually lived long enough to meet younger Kyle and leer-in-passing, the reality is that, in a nation of 270 million, against a machine which is virtually unkillable with hand weapons, there was _no good reason_ for Sarah and Kyle to remain in such tight proximity to the STATE of California.
Not when a longhaul semi could take them a thousand miles or more on the basis of Kyles, ahem, 'wad' of apocalypse fire tinder/toilet paper money.
And in addition to helping with her pregnancy and presumeably setting up a more postive-control situation to finally bag the T-800 on their terms (burmese tiger trap with explosive stakes plus LAW or RPG snipers etc.) Kyle is also the only LOGICAL person to train his young son without exposing him to the equally high risks of Central American mercenary life as Sarah was later forced to.
That part has bothered me for quite awhile longer than the 'picture or words' emphasis on subtle introduction.
john didn't say because he didn't know that we was he father.. there is no proof otherwise.. jacobs razor.. the more likely of two equally viable options is the right one. In all likelyhood john had another father...remember they didn't know much about him...they did know he died before the war. So likely records were destroyed. Johns memeory was the best record along with what they could find... they only knew the city. We all know once judgement day hit, there was no time for leisure travel. everyone probably made shelters and hid underground.. moving around by day was dangerous.. only some mmovement @ night so relocation from point of origin @ the onset of the war is unlikely. Besides, the entire us was taken over and mass transit eliminated so what impetus to relocate. As far as in present time kyle made an attempt to leave the city and was likely to leave the country.... likely where sarah got her idea to leave tomards mexico from. They escaped from the police station and drove unitl thier car ran out of gas.... probably in fear that they would be spotted avoided gas stations and well lit areas..(they were fugitives now) no kyle knowing how to lay low, decided to remain under the bridge and they found shelter in the motel, probably with the idea of finding a place in privacy for some duration to make pipe bombs in the event they were ever to encounter the infiltration unit. JAmes cameron knew this which is why he had naive sarah call her mother which prevented them from going anywhere. Of course had kyle known she given up their location, they would have left hours sooner.. avoiding the terminator and they would have headed out of the country.. the t-101 ancicipated the emotional reaction of sarah and with that his only lead, infiltrated, copied her voice, terminated the subject and obviously, for hours.. waited for the call. had she not called, the 101 like the terminator it was suceeded in foiling that plan. It is likely than many or most of the weapons the resistance was accustomed to using were either remove from fallen terminaoter machines or hk's or were homemade and handmade and with little resources likely didn't learn much but basic survival techniques enought to thwart the terminators. Kyle reese was likley unable to create more effective pipe bombs in both the limited time and resources and technology they had in present day. James cameron knew that which is why he added that nothing dead will go. What movie would we have then? Kyle was hurt which is why he didnt throw a bimb @ the fallen terminator. In addition when he did, the terminator was within feet of him and knowing that he would try to finish him off, waited for him and planted the pipe bomb.
Many of these questions have answera already. What i want to know is why skynet didn't send a terminator back in time to the precise time and location of the beginning of the revolt or resistance and/ or send more than one. Or, why not send one to 84 and one to the beginning of the resistance. My other questions are why didn't the terminator finish off sarah after the car chase.. why not just get out of the car and walk over to the blue caddie and grab sarah and put a bullet in her. My quess is that's why cameron had him heavily injured.. well not enough to prevent his hiss mission but maybe statistically enought to hinder it or alter the probablility of sucess. Secondly why did the terminator no grab one of many of the police cars in the parking lot @ the end of the police station scene and give chase to kyle and sarah.. we all know in a gremlin, he would have caught up to them ... but maybe would have ran out of gas before they could have. and they maybe would have gotton away. Why not send multiple soldiers one @ a time befor they blew up the equipment... maybe they destoryed the equipment to prevent other terminators from going through specifically. Lilttle did we know that the death of the 101 in 84 likely cause an improvement in the tech timeline and likely resulted in more than one time machine or changed history and the machine no longer was destoryed, but appeared in another location slightly more advanced etc. all providing a nother chance to develop another terminaotr and another time machine.
Im sure it's agreed by most that T2 is the best of all the films. But we keep overlooking the first film; so let's discuss it here. Bring up favorite scenes, questions on the plot, or things about it you hate even.
Well the best thing about T1 is that.. its raw. The atmosphere is nice and dark and the mood always deadly serious, which is something T3 and even to a point T2 lacked.
It didn't rely so much on special effects to intruige the audience.
The little things in the original "Terminator" are what I liked best. The tanker explosion, which in the documentary, you find out was ALL MINIATURES, which is insane. It looked way too real, and I appreciated the fact that such a grand scale of a film could be pulled off with such a low budget.
Also, Cameron's direction. Arnie in the car, scanning, where his eyes move left to right, and then his head follows. THAT is genius direction when it comes to getting an actor to play a credible cyborg.
Now, if anyone says they even liked the scene where the puppet Arnie is infront of the mirror, bobbing back and forth, we've got problems.
I also found those points of the film and production extremely interesting. I believe that Stan Winston also claimed that they actually used cigarette smoke for the scene where the endo-skeleton Terminator is terminated by Sarah Connor or the machine near the end of the film.
Also what did they call that little movement of Arnie's eyes? What isn't something like Shark-View or something similar?
Yes! Every film is looking to hit that one big mark that will make it a classic, or be shocking enough to gain interest enough to sell tickets. True films made by crews that really want to tell a story and create a masterpiece are such a rareity now.
kyle wasnt a wuss. he was just up agains a f*ing machine designed specifically to eradicate lifeforms such as himself and he had no advanced weaponry. i could blast the s*t out of a terminator with a plasma gun, but going fist to cuffs....i think id lose.
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Jul 3rd, 2003 01:32 AM
The Terminator
