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The Hall of Villainy

The Star Wars universe (The movies + Expanded Universe) is home to a great deal of villains and foes that our heroes must ultimately face - and then defeat - to secure peace and order in the galaxy.

Whether they take appearance in the Ancient Sith Lords, the Galactic Empire, the Yuuzhan Vong, or a few wily gangsters, these villains have been around since the beginning of the story, always threatening and performing wicked deeds, to their black hearts' lovely content.

But if you could name the Top Three (3) Greatest Star Wars villains - including the Expanded Universe - whom would you say? Now, when I say name villains, I do not mean 'organizations'. I mean people. Entities.

Using this system of criteria, rank the villains on a scale from one to ten in each skill (ten being the highest), and then tally up your points, and decide which of your three candidates belongs in the ever esteemed Hall of Villainy!

Criteria:
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*Villainy: How evil are these guys?
*Intellect: How smart are these guys?
*Courage: Are they brave or cowards?
*Impact: Have their deeds had any effect on the galaxy?
*Power: Whether it be political or Force-wise, how powerful are they?
*Lifespan: Have they threatened for years? Or for hours?
*Ego: Modest? Arrogant?
*Lackeys: Common thugs or fully-dangerous beings of terror?
*Fighting Ability: Can they hold their own, or let henchmen do it for them?

And finally...

*What THREE words best describes this villain?

Enjoy.

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1) Vader
*Villainy: Brutal, Harsh and full of hate.
*Intellect: Smart enough to wipe out the jedi.
*Courage: Willing to go toe to toe.
*Impact: Probably had the single greatest impact of ANY jedi or sith.
*Power: Most potential, but severely reduced after his duel with Obi-Wan.
*Lifespan: Not long at all. Maybe 40-60 AFAIK
*Ego: Mostly. Subservient to his master, but a dick to everyone else.
*Lackeys: Most of the imperial fleet and army.
*Fighting Ability: Again, amazing for his time, but not up to his full potential.


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Re: The Hall of Villainy

Darth Sidious

*Villainy: 10 out of 10
- Sidious was quite evil. He tortured a young boy and basically punked the Jedi with badass precision and total ownage of evil at his side.

*Intellect: 10 out of 10
- He massed the ability to cover his appearance for several years, he emassed three very powerful apprentices, he turned a large army against the Jedi and he nearly smashed the galaxy twenty years later.

*Courage: 5 out of 10
- I would not consider him a very brave man. He usually had someone at his hand doing his dirty work for him. He never really got into anything himself.

*Impact: 9 out of 10
- He kind of owned the Galaxy for a long period of time.


*Power: 10 out of 10
- His Force Powers were extremely powerful and he was a Political figure for several years.

*Lifespan: 10 out of 10
He threatened for a series of years.

*Ego: 6 out of 10
-Although his personality is very shadowy, he is seen underestimating his opponents several times.

*Lackeys: 10 out of 10
-His lackeys were apprentices of great power. Ex: Vader and Dooku.

*Fighting Ability: 8 out of 10
-He wasn't known as a venerable swordsman, but he managed to murder three Jedi in less than ten seconds.


Power, Destruction and Manipulation.



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Count Dooku

*Villainy: 8 out of 10
- He was evil, but not to a large extent.

*Intellect: 10 out of 10
- He emassed a powerful Droid Army, he was always very smart with his traps and entanglements.

*Courage: 7 out of 10
- Quite brave, but occassionally runs from a battle. Although he usually stays behind and fights.

*Impact: 8 out of 10
- He and his Master made quite the team and had a lasting impact.

*Power: 9 out of 10
- His Force Powers were extremely powerful and he was a Political Mastermind.

*Lifespan: 6 out of 10
He threatened for a few years.

*Ego: 9 out of 10
- Very arrogant and Egotistical. He knows of his power and threatens his opponents with it very precisely.

*Lackeys: 10 out of 10
-He had quite the team of powerful lackeys. Ex: Grievous and Ventress.

*Fighting Ability: 10 out of 10
- One of the greatest Swordsman in the Galaxy of his time, he was a Master of the Lightsaber.


Arrogance, Power and Persuasion.


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Darth Maul


*Villainy: 8 out of 10
- He was evil, but not to a large extent.

*Intellect: 7 out of 10
- A venerable Assassin but not very smart.

*Courage: 8 out of 10
- A Brave man. Didn't run from a good fight.

*Impact: 7 out of 10
- Killing Qui gon was a crushing blow to the Order and caused a bad series of events.

*Power: 6 out of 10
- His force powers were not seen well enough to judge properly, but from what we know he ain't too good.

*Lifespan: 4 out of 10
Meh....

*Ego: 10 out of 10
- Extreme arrogance that lead to his demise.

*Lackeys: 2 out of 10
- The man was a Lackey.

*Fighting Ability: 6 out of 10
- Killed a Jedi Master, but was sadly then killed by a mere Padawan. He had fair fighting skills.


Assassination, Murder and Deceit.


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Villiany:
Sidious (10)
Traya (10)
Kun (10)

Intellect:
Sidious (10)
Traya (6)
Kun (6)

Courage:
Sidious (1)
Traya (8)
Kun (10)

Impact:
Sidious (10)
Traya (9)
Kun (10)

Power:
Sidious (10)
Traya (8)
Kun (10)

Lifespan:
Sidious (10)
Traya (7)
Kun (9)

Ego:
Sidious (1)
Traya (5)
Kun (1)

Lackeys:
Sidious (10)
Traya (10)
Kun (10)

Fighting ability:
Sidious (9)
Traya (9)
Kun (10)

Total:
Sidious-68
Traya-72
Kun-76

Three words that best describe Sidious
Dangerous, Manipulating, and Arrogant. Those are the words for my choice to be put in the hall of villiany.


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Excellent; I see a lot of similarities between Darth Traya and Palpatine. They'd be a lovely, elderly, and very vicious couple. Lol. Sorgo, kudos for the detail.

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lol!

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Lol. Well, it's true. Palpatine and Traya are dangerous and evil enough on their own... But imagine them united. It wouldn't last long. One of them would plot the death of the other. Lol.

So, Deus, what's your take? Who would be in the Hall of Villainy?

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I can't say. Haven't put much thought into it.

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Darth Traya

*Villainy: Not a "villian", per se. Doesn't kill for no reason, but quite brutal when she needs to be.
*Intellect: Extremely clever, on par with Palpatine.
*Courage: Willing to do something when she wants to do it.
*Impact: Trained some of the most powerful Sith and Jedi of all time.
*Power: Force-wise, extremely powerful. Not a lot of influence though. She admits that she is not a leader.
*Lifespan: Threatened for decades. She is about 70-80.
*Ego: Not modest, but not arrogant.
*Lackeys: Dangerous beings of terror. Look at Sion!
*Fighting Ability: Well, she was able to smash three powerful Jedi Masters around like ragdolls. Mostly stays in the dark and manipulates henchmen to do things for her.

Manipulation, machivellian and puppeteer.

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Darth Sion
*Villainy: Pretty evil, hunted down countless Jedi, faced battle with no fear, and was held together and kept alive by pure hatred
*Intellect: Not too smart, too reliant on Traya, could have been much stronger had he learned to b independent
*Courage: Very brave, faced any Jedi without fear, probably because he was near-invulnerable
*Impact: Moderate, killed many Jedi, almost bringing the destruction of the Jedi Order, and exiled Traya from Malachor bringing her to train the Exile
*Power: Unable to be killed by physical means, but rather persuasive means, was the best assassin of his time, able to fight continuously even after returning from death numerous times
*Lifespan: Could have been infinite, had it not been for the Exile's persuasion
*Ego: Arrogant yet easily swayed with words, heavily underestimated the Exile's fighting ability and his skills in speechcraft
*Lackeys: An elite group of Sith Assassins which fed off of the power of the Exile
*Fighting Ability: Easily could hold his own and often fought alongside the assassins he trained

Egotistical, invulnerable, unsatisfied.

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Villiany:
Revan(5)He was only evil out of necessity, and he did try to turn jedi not kill them, unless they didnt join him/her.
Nihilus(9)wiped out an entire planet just to feed, didnt care about the life on it at all, except for his Miraluka friend.
Sidious(10+) this guy gives new meaning to 'crazy-evil'.

Intellect:
Revan(10)Set up for the destruction of the 'True' Sith.
Nihilus(7)was tricked by Traya.
Sidious(10)Set up for the destruction of the Jedi.

Courage:
Revan(10)Went out to face the true Sith alone. need i say more?
Nihilus(9)was courageous only when it involved him feeding.
Sidious(5)He's a wuss.

Impact:
Revan(10)Assuming he kills the true sith or at least weakens them for a few thousand years.
Nihilus(10)nearly wiped out Jedi and he would have wiped out all life in the galaxy had he been successful in killing the exile.
Sidious(10)nearly wiped out Jedi.

Power:
Revan(10)If he went alone to destroy the 'True' Sith, he must have been pretty confident of his powers, which must of been great since his opponents were going to be the 'True' Sith.
Nihilus(10)Only if his force eating trick is unblockable to everyone other than the Exile.
Sidious(8)Matched Powers with the great Yoda.

Lifespan:
Revan(?)Not sure need to wait for KotoR III.
Nihilus(4)Died died about five years after becoming Darth Nihilus.
Sidious(8)Died and came back a few times.

Ego:
Revan(5)Not ego driven, but not ego less. S/hes there.
Nihilus(3)Doesnt seem to have much of an ego, just wants to eat.
Sidious(8)Not too egotistical, but knows when he is matched.

Lackeys:
Revan(10)Malak, Bastila, and a few hundred other sith/dark jedi, that may or may not be able to defeat the people in the movies.
Nihilus(8)Visas Marr and what remains of the sith/dark jedi from Revan's Empire, who may or may not be able to beat the ppl from the movies.
Sidious(10)Had a very colorful array of lackeys, Vader, Maul, Dooku, and some Dark Jedis.

Fighting ability:
Revan(10)Famous for being a superb duelist in his time rivaled only by Malak.
Nihilus(6)Reeked at Saber Fighting.
Sidious(8)Match the greatest saber Dueler of the time.

Total:
Revan(70)<--1st Choice Villian for me.
Nihilus(66)<--2nd choice villian for me, because he almost ate the galaxy.
Sidious(77)<--3rd Because he tricked and nearly wiped out the Jedi.


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Originally posted by The Overmaster
Villiany:
Revan(5)He was only evil out of necessity, and he did try to turn jedi not kill them, unless they didnt join him/her.
Nihilus(9)wiped out an entire planet just to feed, didnt care about the life on it at all, except for his Miraluka friend.
Sidious(10+) this guy gives new meaning to 'crazy-evil'.

Intellect:
Revan(10)Set up for the destruction of the 'True' Sith.
Nihilus(7)was tricked by Traya.
Sidious(10)Set up for the destruction of the Jedi.

Courage:
Revan(10)Went out to face the true Sith alone. need i say more?
Nihilus(9)was courageous only when it involved him feeding.
Sidious(5)He's a wuss.

Impact:
Revan(10)Assuming he kills the true sith or at least weakens them for a few thousand years.
Nihilus(10)nearly wiped out Jedi and he would have wiped out all life in the galaxy had he been successful in killing the exile.
Sidious(10)nearly wiped out Jedi.

Power:
Revan(10)If he went alone to destroy the 'True' Sith, he must have been pretty confident of his powers, which must of been great since his opponents were going to be the 'True' Sith.
Nihilus(10)Only if his force eating trick is unblockable to everyone other than the Exile.
Sidious(8)Matched Powers with the great Yoda.

Lifespan:
Revan(?)Not sure need to wait for KotoR III.
Nihilus(4)Died died about five years after becoming Darth Nihilus.
Sidious(8)Died and came back a few times.

Ego:
Revan(5)Not ego driven, but not ego less. S/hes there.
Nihilus(3)Doesnt seem to have much of an ego, just wants to eat.
Sidious(8)Not too egotistical, but knows when he is matched.

Lackeys:
Revan(10)Malak, Bastila, and a few hundred other sith/dark jedi, that may or may not be able to defeat the people in the movies.
Nihilus(8)Visas Marr and what remains of the sith/dark jedi from Revan's Empire, who may or may not be able to beat the ppl from the movies.
Sidious(10)Had a very colorful array of lackeys, Vader, Maul, Dooku, and some Dark Jedis.

Fighting ability:
Revan(10)Famous for being a superb duelist in his time rivaled only by Malak.
Nihilus(6)Reeked at Saber Fighting.
Sidious(8)Match the greatest saber Dueler of the time.

Total:
Revan(70)<--1st Choice Villian for me.
Nihilus(66)<--2nd choice villian for me, because he almost ate the galaxy.
Sidious(77)<--3rd Because he tricked and nearly wiped out the Jedi.


We know nothing about Nihilus's lightsabre abilities.

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Agreed. Any judgment on KOTOR era character's fighting ability is pure speculation.

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People say that Sidious is a wuss, I disagree. He just didn't need to do anything for himself. Also, I realize you will comment on him trying to run away from Yoda, but he had alot more to lose than Yoda did. Aren't Sith supposed to be fearless? Maybe we are judging bravery differently, what I mean is that he didn't look scared when he had to take on 4 Jedi Masters or when he had to fight Yoda.


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Dooku at least clashed with Yoda, and he had his ambitions, his title, his future and his life to lose at that moment. He even had the plans to the Death Star in his grasp, meaning the entire political movement he represented rested on him surviving that fight. And yet he still drew his blade.

Sidious, surrounded by supporters, in his own home court, armed with what are supposively greater dark side powers than Dooku and formidable saber skills who could supposively defeat the mighty Mace Windu in combat according to some.... tried to flee.

He's a wuss, period.

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Dooku at least clashed with Yoda, and he had his ambitions, his title, his future and his life to lose at that moment. He even had the plans to the Death Star in his grasp, meaning the entire political movement he represented rested on him surviving that fight. And yet he still drew his blade.

Sidious, surrounded by supporters, in his own home court, armed with what are supposively greater dark side powers than Dooku and formidable saber skills who could supposively defeat the mighty Mace Windu in combat according to some.... tried to flee.

He's a wuss, period.


well said very well said.

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Thank you.

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There was no reason to fight Yoda, there was too much to lose. It's not that he's not brave, it's that he's not stupid.


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Actually, if he was smart he would have killed Yoda himself and not relied on Clone Troopers to do it. He also would have had tighter defense surrounding himself considering a possible retaliation effort by the jedi. Sidious if anything was overconfidant and left himself open, which was stupid. And when he realized that Yoda was there and Yoda could whup his ass, he tried to flee.

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Sidious, all that citeria is met to the fullest. Bad ass mothertucker.

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