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Because we can't help but care so deeply about two cares whose fates we've already seen in the OT. Especially when one of them is two-dimensional, boring old Yoda.
Something about you, Droopy... I can feel an immense love of Palpatine. And I sense something. Something I've not felt since...
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
I would also like to submit all of Darth Tyranus's duels in Attack of the Clones for consideration as, in some regards, it marked the beginning of the end of the Jedi order and the Republic.
You're skillful use of the color red and acknowledgement that Palpatine is the bee's knees pleases me.
But don't try to frighten us with your Sockerish ways, E-D. You're failed attempt to rationalize the results of Palpatine's duel with Yoda as anything but a foregone conclusion haven't helped you appreciate the fruitlessness of it's choreographically majesty, nor has it helped you to--*ach!* *chokes on massive, but lifeless cock*
"Gobble gobble gobble dead."
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
And because I can't quite think of an iconic scene to mimic...
[SPOILER - highlight to read]: Because we definitely figured that Vader was going to kill Luke and the rebellion would be smashed, right? The reality of the situation is that I consider the duel in the Senate to be all around more 'epic' because of its vastly more impressive choreography and its importance to the film and the story of the entire saga: The duel in the Senate decided the fate of the galaxy between two Masters of the Force. (The duels arguably as or more important would be the confrontation at Endor [which isn't exactly a duel] or the duel in Palpatine's office [which had absolutely appalling choreography].) The duel on Cloud City was emotionally compelling because of the much more intimate relationship between Vader and Luke, but it was as much of a victim of foregone conclusion as the one between Yoda and Sidious. Why isn't it my choice? The same reason why Mace vs. Sidious isn't: Choreography. Seeing a neophyte punk battle an unimpressive robot with all the skill of what appears to be the least talented special ed. student trying to pick a fight with the second-to-last special ed. student isn't exactly thrilling or epic to me. But don't let my heretic ways interrupt your RLM-induced OT-fanboy delirium. o snap wut now
Last edited by SlightlyFlaccid on Jun 21st, 2011 at 10:37 PM
Oh. I look at it more from a personal emotional point of view. I myself couldn't care too deeply about the characters in the Senate duel, because I went in to it knowing they'd both be fine. I knew what to expect, and I wasn't disappointed. Or surprised.
The fight with Luke and Vader I had no idea. Luke was losing, clearly. He had no help coming, and Vader wanted him dead or alive. I didn't know the fate of the characters in this one, so it was a more compelling and engaging situation to watch.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Certainly there's much more compelling emotion between Vader and Luke; Yoda's beef with Sidious is just as legitimate, but far less intimate: There's no emotion there other than the desperation of both combatants to win. With Luke and Vader, there is anger, fear, frustration, sadness, defeat, etc. and it runs the whole gamut.
I'd say RotJ Luke versus Vader. Even though Vader was clearly just out to piss Luke off and throwing the fight, the energy and emotion surrounding the fight was very powerful and epic in a legend-ending sense.
Very much so. I understand completely the context in which these fights are taking place, and their in-story significance to the characters and plot, but unfortunately the problems lie in the sub-par writing and execution of the scenes. I've never been able to bring myself to care about any of the characters in the prequels, the exception being Palpatine. But even his duels were cursed with the audience's prior knowledge that he will survive them, and he will emerge as Emperor, no matter what.
No real tension or drama is present in the EP. II and III duels, because I know Obi and Anakin, and Yoda and Sidious will survive. And Dooku in the films hadn't been present long enough, and built in to a identifiable presence for me to care about. Even the Duel of Fates had more---though I knew Qui-Gon couldn't survive the prequels, he was still a character whose fate remained unknown going in to film. I spent much of my first viewing silently wondering just how and when Jinn was going to die, and added a very small, very needed amount of attachment to the character's existence.
__________________ Recently Produced and Distributed Young but High-Ranking Political Figure of Royal Ancestry within the Modern American Town Affectionately Referred To as Bel-Air.
Other good ones: ESB Luke vs Vader, Bane vs Sirak, Bane vs Kas'im, Bane vs The Jedi, Scout vs Whie (<3 Dark Rendevous), Grievous vs The Jedi Masters, Anakin vs Assajj Ventress (CWC fight), Revan vs Malak, Exar Kun vs Ulic Qel'Droma, Ulic Qel'Droma vs Sylvar and Galen Marek vs Vader (TFU1).
It doesn't change the visuals, but it changes the mood. If there's supposed to be tension and angst conveyed to the audience, it doesn't work if the outcome is already known. Like watching a horror film that you've seen before. The shock value is lessened if you know what's coming.
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Jun 21st, 2011 05:13 PM
