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why didn't Mace put the saber to Dooku's throat..
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KuRuPT Thanosi
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why didn't Mace put the saber to Dooku's throat..

and instead put it to Jango's neck.. That just makes no sense to me... Not only was Jango WAY less of a target to Mace than Dooku.. he probably didn't even know who he was. Further, it seems odd that Dooku didn't sense a MASS amount of Jedi there or even Mace... People he should've been very familiar with and sensed. To make it worse... and another thing I never got.. When Mace did have Jango by the balls.. Dooku never reacted or tried to draw his saber.. Mace could've easily struck him down.. Did you know that Mace would never try such or move?

Lastly, why was Jango even choose to be the "father" of all the clones.. is it ever expanded upon why he was choosen?

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It's almost as if that movie... doesn't make any sense.


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Heh, those are some interesting plot-holes you've pointed out.

Did Mace really think that threatening to kill Jango would make Dooku be like: "OHHH NOOOEZ!! I SURRENDER!!!"? Hell, Mace could have ended the entire war right there if he would have just struck [a clueless] Dooku down, instead of trying to hold Jango hostage.

It is equally as hilarious that Dooku was unable to sense the presence of DOZENS of Jedi in his local vicinity. Given that most of them were fodder, there is no feasible way that all of them would've been able to mask their presence from someone as powerful as the good Count.

The reasons Jango was chosen as the Prime Host for the Clones were mentioned in Open Seasons. His combat prowess(ie. killing multiple Jedi with his bare hands) and cunning, were ultimately what prompted Dooku to choose him.


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Because nothing in that movie made sense anyway, why didn't Mace just say screw the Jedi Master and the two love birds and just annihilate the arena from space?

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Heh, those are some interesting plot-holes you've pointed out.

Did Mace really think that threatening to kill Jango would make Dooku be like: "OHHH NOOOEZ!! I SURRENDER!!!"? Hell, Mace could have ended the entire war right there if he would have just struck [a clueless] Dooku down, instead of trying to hold Jango hostage.

It is equally as hilarious that Dooku was unable to sense the presence of DOZENS of Jedi in his local vicinity. Given that most of them were fodder, there is no feasible way that all of them would've been able to mask their presence from someone as powerful as the good Count.

The reasons Jango was chosen as the Prime Host for the Clones were mentioned in Open Seasons. His combat prowess(ie. killing multiple Jedi with his bare hands) and cunning, were ultimately what prompted Dooku to choose him.


You'd think the Jedi in the temple would have sensed an entire army of Sith rolling down on them from nearby, but they didn't see it coming. A lot of things can be cloaked in the Force. Palps chilled with the Jedi on numerous occasions and yet they had no idea they were rubbing shoulders with the most powerful Sith they could have ever come up against.

Zannah walked into the Jedi Temple and did her thing as well. That's one "plot hole" that just isn't.

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You'd think the Jedi in the temple would have sensed an entire army of Sith rolling down on them from nearby, but they didn't see it coming. A lot of things can be cloaked in the Force. Palps chilled with the Jedi on numerous occasions and yet they had no idea they were rubbing shoulders with the most powerful Sith they could have ever come up against.
Yoda: "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is."
Mace: "Our ability to use the force has diminished."
Etc.

The Jedi couldn't sense wtf was going on, because Palpatine was using the dark side to skew their perceptions. Conversely, there is no evidence I'm aware of which states that the dozens of Jedi on Geonosis were concealing their presence from Dooku. So if that little tidbit was never addressed in canon, it is most definitely a plot-hole.


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Yoda: "The dark side clouds everything. Impossible to see, the future is."
Mace: "Our ability to use the force has diminished."
Etc.

The Jedi couldn't sense wtf was going on, because Palpatine was using the dark side to skew their perceptions. Conversely, there is no evidence I'm aware of which states that the dozens of Jedi on Geonosis were concealing their presence from Dooku. So if that little tidbit was never addressed in canon, it is most definitely a plot-hole.

Maybe he knew they were there. He certainly wasn't extremely surprised (maybe Palpatine let him know beforehand). Besides, he had an army that he felt would be enough to beat 200 Jedi, and it was, even if Mace "Im OP in the micro series" Windu was there.


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Surely he didn't know they were there.. if so.. why would he let one of the most dangerous Jedi masters get so close.. draw his weapon and do nothing. An army wasn't going to stop mace from killing dooku right then and there. he clearly didn't know.. not sure how that can be argued.

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He obviously didn't know.

I just find it hilarious that 200 Jedi were able to converge on Dooku at the Geonosis Arena, yet he was caught completely off-guard:
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His inability to sense that many Jedi within a few-hundred-yards of him either a.) demonstrates that Dooku's force-senses were the worst ever seen throughout SW, or b.) showcases a massive plot-hole.


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I wonder which.


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^ Dooku is a weak feeb, obviously.


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He obviously didn't know.

I just find it hilarious that 200 Jedi were able to converge on Dooku at the Geonosis Arena, yet he was caught completely off-guard:


His inability to sense that many Jedi within a few-hundred-yards of him either a.) demonstrates that Dooku's force-senses were the worst ever seen throughout SW, or b.) showcases a massive plot-hole.


I presume that the Jedi were hiding their presence in the force/the stronger Jedi were actively working to conceal everyone.


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I suppose that I can buy-off on the notion that a handful of Jedi would be capable of concealing themselves from Dooku. However, there weren't just 'a handful' of Jedi at the arena--- there were 200. Imo, there is no way that many Jedi(most of whom were no-name fodder, mind you) were so adept at masking their presence as to go unnoticed by a force-user as powerful as Dooku.


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Not sure Dooku was really surprised. Sure didn't seem it.

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Dookes fearz noothing!!11!!1!!!!!1111!


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I suppose that I can buy-off on the notion that a handful of Jedi would be capable of concealing themselves from Dooku. However, there weren't just 'a handful' of Jedi at the arena--- there were 200. Imo, there is no way that many Jedi(most of whom were no-name fodder, mind you) were so adept at masking their presence as to go unnoticed by a force-user as powerful as Dooku.

Yeah, I guess Dooku never bothered to develop his senses properly.


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I suppose that I can buy-off on the notion that a handful of Jedi would be capable of concealing themselves from Dooku. However, there weren't just 'a handful' of Jedi at the arena--- there were 200. Imo, there is no way that many Jedi(most of whom were no-name fodder, mind you) were so adept at masking their presence as to go unnoticed by a force-user as powerful as Dooku.


Yea, good point there.


Even 200 strong ones doing it is a stretch, and 200 'whatever Jedi, masters, and padawans just happened to be available'? No way. Dooku had to have felt them.


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Yea, good point there.


Even 200 strong ones doing it is a stretch, and 200 'whatever Jedi, masters, and padawans just happened to be available'? No way. Dooku had to have felt them.

He couldn't even feel Mace sneaking up on him. In Shatterpoint, he even laments that he should have been able to kill Dooku then and there.


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