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carthage
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Greatest Lightsaber instructor

Every era has it's own master duelists and greatest fighters, but which ones in the SW myths stand out as the best instructors? Who has produced the best students as duelists, and what makes their teaching style so effective? Who were the greatest teachers of their eras/all time?


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Not Jun Seros.

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I hear Soara Antana is good. I don't know where she stands in the grand scheme of things, though.


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Probably Sidious.


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Cin Drallig turned out promising students such as Obi-Wan and Anakin and he himself was trained by Yoda in saber combat. I'd say he's pretty good on the list for Greatest Instructors.


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Yoda by far. Aside from personally training Luke, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi, Cin, and Dooku who would go on to train hundreds if not thousands of pupils. He also trained thousands of Younglings in Form I. In terms of quality and quantity of students produced Yoda is king.


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Yoda by far. Aside from personally training Luke, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi, Cin, and Dooku who would go on to train hundreds if not thousands of pupils. He also trained thousands of Younglings in Form I. In terms of quality and quantity of students produced Yoda is king.

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Luke has trained a lot of skilled jedi.


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Dark Lady's a pretty good one, all her students turned out badass, and without having to spend a decade+ on each. Ki-Adi-Mundi, A'Sharad Hett, Jon Antilles, and Aurra Sing. I think it says something that the *weakest* of those in a duel is probably Aurra Sing.

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Yoda by far. Aside from personally training Luke, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi, Cin, and Dooku who would go on to train hundreds if not thousands of pupils. He also trained thousands of Younglings in Form I. In terms of quality and quantity of students produced Yoda is king.



That's something of a mixed result in my book. Sure, he's trained some very good students, but plenty of weaker ones too, it's not consistent results, it's doing quantity which catches a wide range.

And some of those almost certainly learned most of their saber skills from elsewhere. Youngling training may be the basics, but personal masters probably get more credit in sabers. Heck, Yoda didn't appear to teach Luke much in sabers at all, just the force in general.


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Gnot-Dural is pretty notable


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Sidious is probably the best instructor, or at least a contender for the no.1 spot, as far as the quality of personal training and development is concerned. His methods are exceedingly brutal, his level of martial knowledge and proficiency is almost without equal, and he adapts his training specifically to the student in order to yield the best results possible. As a result? Maul becomes one of the best duelists in the mythos at the age of 22, along with being in almost perfect physical shape, as well as a master of two of the hardest lightsaber disciplines and unarmed combat on top of that. And that was because of everything Sidious taught Maul, the challenges he set out for him, or training he specifically chose for Maul to undertake. Haven't seen anyone else do it better.


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Unless Yoda improved as a Lightsaber instructor in the last few years of the Republic, Soara>Yoda as a lightsaber instructor tbh.


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DOE Bane was a mediocre duelist at best, and given how shit the brotherhoods Swordsmen were and how desperate they became towards the end of the war- it's obvious Kas'im was a horrible teacher.


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Soara, Yoda, Dooku, Bulq, Vodo, Kas'im, Cin, Anoon and possibly Kreia are some.of my personal favorites.


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Sidious is probably the best instructor, or at least a contender for the no.1 spot, as far as the quality of personal training and development is concerned. His methods are exceedingly brutal, his level of martial knowledge and proficiency is almost without equal, and he adapts his training specifically to the student in order to yield the best results possible. As a result? Maul becomes one of the best duelists in the mythos at the age of 22, along with being in almost perfect physical shape, as well as a master of two of the hardest lightsaber disciplines and unarmed combat on top of that. And that was because of everything Sidious taught Maul, the challenges he set out for him, or training he specifically chose for Maul to undertake. Haven't seen anyone else do it better.


I will mention that one thing that helps those results is Sidious spent all his effort on training one person for over a decade and a half.

High level Jedi never spend that much focus on one person.

That said, "Spends a lot of time on each student" is certainly no minus!


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Dark Lady's a pretty good one, all her students turned out badass, and without having to spend a decade+ on each. Ki-Adi-Mundi, A'Sharad Hett, Jon Antilles, and Aurra Sing. I think it says something that the *weakest* of those in a duel is probably Aurra Sing.




That's something of a mixed result in my book. Sure, he's trained some very good students, but plenty of weaker ones too, it's not consistent results, it's doing quantity which catches a wide range.

And some of those almost certainly learned most of their saber skills from elsewhere. Youngling training may be the basics, but personal masters probably get more credit in sabers. Heck, Yoda didn't appear to teach Luke much in sabers at all, just the force in general.


He also trained Mace Windu. Which means all of the foremost masters of the VII forms sans form VI are in Yoda's lineage.
I- Kit Fisto
II Dooku
III Kenobi
IV Yoda himself
V Anakin
VII Mace

What other instructor in history can say that?


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I will mention that one thing that helps those results is Sidious spent all his effort on training one person for over a decade and a half.

High level Jedi never spend that much focus on one person.

That said, "Spends a lot of time on each student" is certainly no minus!
Well, someone who spreads themselves too thin couldn't be considered the "greatest" instructor, IMO. I just think with Sidious it's pretty clear cut; he took an infant and turned him into one of the best within 16ish years of training. All of the credit goes to Sidious, which is important.

And when you think about it, if Sidious took on another student after Maul was finished, it'd just be another 15ish years before we have another nigh-immaculate fighter. It's just that he only needed one.


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He also trained Mace Windu. Which means all of the foremost masters of the VII forms sans form VI are in Yoda's lineage.

What other instructor in history can say that?



But... that's simply because he trained *everyone*. He wasn't the primary instructor of most of those.


Anakin learned from Kenobi from the start of his training. Kenobi learned from Qui-Gon. Qui-Gon learned from Dooku. Dooku's master was Thame Cerulian (though apparently not near as good a duelist, so we don't know his influences all that well). Windu, I don't know if we know who his primary trainer was, though T'ra Saa did handle some of it, but he developed his form with help of Sora Bulq.


There's a difference between did-part-of-someone's-instruction and being their lightsaber instructor.


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Well, someone who spreads themselves too thin couldn't be considered the "greatest" instructor, IMO. I just think with Sidious it's pretty clear cut; he took an infant and turned him into one of the best within 16ish years of training. All of the credit goes to Sidious, which is important.

And when you think about it, if Sidious took on another student after Maul was finished, it'd just be another 15ish years before we have another nigh-immaculate fighter. It's just that he only needed one.


Yep, exactly.

He was really lucky to find someone as skilled as Dooku after he lost Maul, because making one takes a lot of effort.


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What about Master Zhar?

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