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The Merchant
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What's the most Jedi the Order has had?

I know during the Clone Wars there were 10,000 Jedi Knights, were there any other numbers given for other time periods?


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Well, during SWTOR it was said there were millions of sith, so if it's true it's likely there were millions of jedi as well. Then in other forums i saw people claiming that PT was the golden era of jedi not because they were more skilled than their ancestors, but because there had never been so many jedi around.


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Thing is, there probably isn't millions of Sith around in TOR. Their definitely aren't millions of Jedi.

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Didn't the Clone Wars actually have more than 10k, but, like, including Jedi Service Corps and such? I've heard as much as 100k.

During Legacy, the One Sith were 1k to 10k~ range, and the Jedi supposedly fairly similar in number. Less than Clone Wars, certainly.


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Thing is, there probably isn't millions of Sith around in TOR.


Uh? It's stated that there are multiple times?


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It's stated exactly once in the in-universe TOR encyclopedia. I see no reason why any army with millions of Force Users can't conquer the Republic, though. And the Empire has been losing this war since Corellia.

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2 or 3 times actually.

Also theres 1 reason why the Sith are losing that I can think of. It has something to do with this thread.....


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Not the reason given in game, Neph. The Sith are losing because they are killing each other, and there definitely aren't millions of Jedi if the Order is still in shambles. Which it really is.

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Sure, but like you said with the numbers they certainly do possess, the Sith should be winning. The reason they aren't is that they don't actually possess a numbers advantage.

"Millions of the galaxies most powerful Sith were considered..."

"But with millions vying for 12 seats...."

"Millions strive to become Sith...."

The Jedi aren't in shambles. Swtore actually states that they're in the middle of a renaissance.


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They're in shambles and had to retreat to Tython to the recover. If that's what you call a renaissance, then meh.

Millions strive to become Sith doesn't actually mean there are millions of Sith. Nor does the second quote.

The first quote is the only thing that talks about millions of actual Sith, but as I doubt the Emperor's Hand actually had 13 people go through millions of candidates, in the middle of a war, I'll hold my reservations if that's fine with you. Just doesn't make any logical sense.

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And they did recover, after rediscovering a ton of shit on Tython and preparing for the second war.

Logically it does. The number of active Sith is likely far higher than those trying to become Sith at any one point. Even with a miniscule graduation rate the numbers would eclipse the acolytes over time.

And the second quote says that millions pf Sith are competing for the Dark Council seats. So um, yes it does?

You're free to think whatever you want. But I have the quotes to prove you wrong ready.


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They are still said to be in shambles at the beginning of the game, a war follows. Doubt that's changed much.

Not when literally every Force Sensitive in the Empire must become an acolyte. Logically that number would always be much higher than those that actually make it.

It just says millions. Doesn't say millions of Sith.

The quotes don't actually prove anything and no number is given, nor does anything in game actually support it. You're free to think what you want as well, but when the Republic hardly has a millions strong army, let alone an army with millions of Jedi, I'll always hold your logic in doubt.

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It just says millions. Doesn't say millions of Sith.


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Millions of people are trying to become Sith. Those same millions are vying to control the Dark Council. Seems pretty straightforward. That does not mean there are literally millions of Sith running around, something that wasn't even true during the New Sith Wars, when being a Sith was arguably at its easiest.

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They are still said to be in shambles at the beginning of the game, a war follows. Doubt that's changed much.

Not when literally every Force Sensitive in the Empire must become an acolyte. Logically that number would always be much higher than those that actually make it.

The quotes don't actually prove anything and no number is given, nor does anything in game actually support it. You're free to think what you want as well, but when the Republic hardly has a millions strong army, let alone an army with millions of Jedi, I'll always hold your logic in doubt.


Not sure if that's true. At the least you're ignoring that they'd clearly rallied by the end of the game and are leading the Republic to victory. Hardly in shambles. Don't really care though. They can be dinged up pretty bad from the war and still field millions of Jedi.

The amount of time post-academy is far greater than that during training. The cumulative amount in the field after graduation would add up to at least as many competing. As is proven by the quotes.

You are so full of shit. They absolutely prove that there are millions of Sith. They directly state that there are millions of Sith. The number that is given is "millions of mother****ing Sith." There's millions just competing for the Dark Council. Merely the most powerful Sith were considered as Scourge's replacement and it was still millions. Also loads of things support it. There's hundreds of Sith on individual worlds. Individual Darths command legions and armies of Sith. There's entire Sith battalions. The idea that there's just a few thousand is absurd.

Also the idea that the Republic hardly has a millions strong army is insane. The Empire had a millions strong even before their invasion and they had like a few hundred thousand times less of a population. A single unit of Republic troops can be up to 40,000 strong.

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Millions of people are trying to become Sith. Those same millions are vying to control the Dark Council. Seems pretty straightforward.


Holy shit. No. No they aren't. Acolytes on Korriban aren't vying for the Dark Council. Holy ****ing shit. Why would you think that was a thing and why are you not more ashamed of yourself right now.


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Still waiting for an actual quote saying millions of Jedi.

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Not sure if that's true. At the least you're ignoring that they'd clearly rallied by the end of the game and are leading the Republic to victory. Hardly in shambles. Don't really care though. They can be dinged up pretty bad from the war and still field millions of Jedi.

Nah, not ignoring it. "Rallied" doesn't exactly mean "busting at the seems" which is what millions of Force users would be. The Order is still broken, but luckily so are the Sith.
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The amount of time post-academy is far greater than that during training. The cumulative amount in the field after graduation would add up to at least as many competing. As is proven by the quotes.

Even after that the mortality rate is abysmally high. Sith in the Empire are dying and being replaced constantly.
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You are so full of shit. They absolutely prove that there are millions of Sith. They directly state that there are millions of Sith. The number that is given is "millions of mother****ing Sith." There's millions just competing for the Dark Council.

When literally every Force Sensitive in the Empire is competing to be Sith, and literally every Sith is competing to be on the Dark Council, that doesn't mean millions of Sith are competing at once. Take a chill pill and bring your ten to a two.
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Merely the most powerful Sith were considered as Scourge's replacement and it was still millions. Also loads of things support it. There's hundreds of Sith on individual worlds. Individual Darths command legions and armies of Sith. There's entire Sith battalions. The idea that there's just a few thousand is absurd.

Do you know how large the number million actually is and how little of the galaxy the Sith actually control. Even if there is 999 hundred Sith on one planet, which is generous by any stretch of the imagination, the Sith empire would have to be comprised of at least 1,001 planets each with 999 Sith. That's ridiculous. And that's just for one million. Millions, as in plural, it get's even crazier.
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Also the idea that the Republic hardly has a millions strong army is insane. The Empire had a millions strong even before their invasion and they had like a few hundred thousand times less of a population. A single unit of Republic troops can be up to 40,000 strong.

Given Pierce's codex entry, most citizens in the Empire join the military at some point, which is why they are even able to challenge the Republic in the first place.

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Holy shit. No. No they aren't. Acolytes on Korriban aren't vying for the Dark Council. Holy ****ing shit. Why would you think that was a thing and why are you not more ashamed of yourself right now.

Because the way of the Sith is to rise to power and dominate. That's kind of their entire thing. Everybody wants to be the best and the weak are culled. That's like Sith 101, and pretty much everyone, but you apparently, knows that.

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