So let's look at this from the different approaches that have been taken.
Minimalist Approach: Downplay all of Bane's feats and abilities to their lowest possible point. Discount any of his nexus feats. Discount any growth that might have occurred over decades of time.
Going by this approach what is the extent of Bane's ability?
He was capable as of RoT of breaking Zannah's neck with TK.
Zannah as a child shielded herself from a fire storm caused by Bane and the Brotherhood's lightning ritual.
Given the extent of the fire I imagine the feat is similar to Anakin Solo's. While I'm sure this was an innate use of her power I think we can be fairly sure that as of RoT with over a decade of training she would be able to replicate and exceed such a feat as it's made clear in several sources Force ability increases the more you test the limits of what you're capable of.
So essentially Bane can overpower someone who's approximately capable of this.
"Anakin reached up and pulled, creating a tube that sucked higher air straight down on him and the Yuuzhan Vong. His breathing eased immediately.
The fire liked it, too. The underbrush exploded like a bomb. Anakin felt the heat briefly, heat he knew would blacken and crack his flesh in seconds. He had not tried to alter energy before, but Corran Horn could do it. Their lives depended on his success. Anakin opened himself again to the Force, focused his efforts, and leached the fire's heat from a radius around them both.
How long he kept this up, Anakin did not know. He slipped into a sort of fugue state, each breath pulling life from the sky, each exhalation bleeding heat into the crust of Yavin 4. But eventually he blinked and realized it was over, that the fire had burned past him and he knelt in ashes." - Edge of Victory I: Conquest.
The difference being Zannah may have actually shielded both herself and Laa directly from the flames. This is the stance I take as I find it unlikely she could have accomplished such a complex technique like funneling air and heat with the Force or employing tutaminis.
This isn't a one off feat either as Zannah has demonstrated feats of raw power similar in magnitude such as TK powerful enough to disintegrate human flesh.
Maxi Pad Approach: Assuming the nexuses Bane was on had no effect. Taking hyperbole and exaggeration as fact. Developing calcs based off the literal words of the author to come to conclusions the author clearly didn't intend. Looking too deeply into the text to see something that is just not there.
Going by THIS approach what is the extent of Bane's capabilities.
Well, this stance would have you place Bane around late Purge era Vader level in Force power as he collapsed a temple when he was injured on a nexus that was hindering him. This would mean similar growth to that of Vader's over the next few decades and due to a few lines where Bane's physical attacks in DoE had the same effect as ones when he was in his orbalisk armor he would be assumed to be equal or more powerful then that incarnation. Once you scale up to DoE the character becomes roughly somewhere above Caedus.
Measured Approach: You can accept his feats for what they are. You can take context into account. You can realize Bane is a decently powerful individual with appreciable growth throughout his life time. And you can put bias to the side. Simple as that.
Taking all this into account you realize he was injured in PoD, that he clearly wasn't benefiting from it and that the DS nexus is hinted at having made it worse. You can also take into account it was amping his Darkside power. This is a feat that places him amongst beings like Decieved Malgus in raw TK. Take into account his growth over the next few decades and you have an individual that can probably replicate this feat especially when you consider Zannah believes Bane in his prime is just as deadly an opponent as a version confirmed to be more powerful then PoD ( RoT Orbalisk Bane ) it makes it pretty clear that DoE is not far behind that incarnation ( RoT Orbalisk Bane ) if at all.
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Bane isn't "weak". Being a Qui Gon tier duelist and Obi Wan tier Force user is like a one in a hundred septillion occurrence. Vader would still destroy him.
1. Banite scaling
2. The PoD temple feat just involves breaking a few of the lower foundations
3. He struggles against sub-B team tier goes
4. He hasn't done anything Vader tier, except if you scale off of the temple feat and pretend that he busted the entire thing at once without prep
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It's not Vader tier but I believe the feat is better then you're giving credit for. His "prep" consisted of a quick gather of power that would have take less then a few seconds given the speed of Force users and the fact that Kas'im was bearing down on him.
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I don't believe it mentioned him having trouble with her speed. He simply adopted a style that was brutish and all about offense which allowed to land hits on his armor but he obviously would have fough differently without it.
And you act as if someone stated to have been moving in "blurs" is an indication that they're bad when Mace, Anakin, Yoda and some of the fastest characters in the mythos have moved in "blurs."
While most Force users have it's a shorthand for "they're moving fast." And not an indication they're slower then other Force users in the mythos.
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I'm not saying it's a bad showing. I just want to make a case for Deceived Malgus being faster than Orbalisk Bane, since he was also stated to move in "blurs".
I just forgot all the details of his fight against the Jedi strike and I'm solely based on third party (ie Bane haters) descriptions. That's why I asked if that's true or not.
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Trainee Bane was also stated to move in "blurs"
This blur argument has no potential lol
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Well, Kas'im paused and gave a short monologue; Bane probably had time comparable to what Vitiate had to charge his attack against Revan, and that made the difference between his bolts getting knocked back on him and burning Revan.
That's part of it, yeah. Obi Wan got pushed around by Maul a few times in TCW, but he's far more powerful by RotS; he may have gotten ragdolled by Dooku, but the junior novel suggests that it was difficult for Dooku to do, and Stover suggests that he largely was just much faster than Obi Wan - Dooku's also got better feats and accolades than Malgus, especially Deceived Malgus.
I think Qui-Gon duelist and Obi Wan Force user is the most reasonable conclusion from Bane powerscaling and fits his feats well enough. He was losing to an amped Rastka Lsu; I'd see Anoon Bondara losing to a version of him weaker in the Force but amped by battle meditation, and then Bane grows more powerful by DoE.
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Fair enough though it can be argued that Vitiate didn't really view Revan as a threat before he managed to deflect his bolts back at him. He probably got serious after being knocked on his @ss and his companions showing up.
Better feats? Then Deceived Malgus? I'm interested to hear about this because as far as I'm aware he has a comparable feat in his manipulation of that ship he sent across a divide but not one that's better.
Losing to an amped Raskta? Um, how do you mean?
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Unlikely, seeing as how Revan had already resisted Vitiate's TP and then knocked him on his ass. Seems like Vitiate would've taken him seriously by that point.
Well, there are the cruisers, and then there's his ragdolling of Ventress, TCW Obi Wan, Vos, etc., his ability to replenish himself within seconds of getting exhausted facing Anakin and Obi Wan at the same time, his Force fight with Yoda, one-shotting three nightsisters while drugged, taking out TCW Anakin with lightning, and general accolades placing him as the most powerful Jedi next to Yoda during his tenure.
Bane was on the defensive the whole time, despite his entire body being covered in invincible armor.
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Wasn't Farfalla just getting in Lsu's way in the Bane fight, essentially making him a bumbling oaf? And the mighty Johun Othone was there? And Lsu was putting figure 8's all over Bane with her lightsaber? And Bane didn't kill any of them until Zannah backstabbed Lsu?
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The only time Bane was retreating against Raskta alone was when he was drawing her away from Worror. After that point, she needed Farfalla and Johun to even drive him into a defensive stance.
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