In Legends, a majority of sources indicate Sheev recognized himself as the last Banite Sith, but kept Maul, Dooku, and Vader in its tradition and their practical uses as assassin, pawn, enforcer, and bodyguard.
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As mentioned, in Legends Palpatine himself made it abundantly clear that he vowed to gain immortality and become the last Sith... That he only chose underlings to do his bidding, but never chose a successor:
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-Book of the Sith
Palpatine's "Rule of One" was even foreseen by Darth Tenebrous prior to his death: https://i.imgur.com/pDHKYfT.jpg -The Tenebrous Way
....And a few other sources confirm the same.
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As for canon, there is evidence to suggest that Palpatine may have initially intended Anakin/Vader to succeed him:
However, it seems that Palpatine ultimately abandoned the thought of being usurped by an apprentice, and began striving to attain a sort of 'ultimate' power that would enable him to achieve literal godhood/immortality...
And the fact that Palpatine lusted after TWBW fully cements the aforementioned machinations...
Minister Hydan: "[TWBW] is a pathway between all time and space. He who controls it, controls the universe." -Rebels S04E13
Moreover, the fact that Palpatine was in cahoots with Cylo(for a time) implies that he may have been seeking alternative means of attaining immortality.
After all, Palpatine himself admitted that he was heavily intrigued by Cylo's unfettered science: https://i.imgur.com/azUSm3j.jpg -Darth Vader #20
Cylo: "I have transcended the laws of nature and the trap of the Force. I made myself immortal.": https://i.imgur.com/yrXiuQp.jpg -Darth Vader #25
tl;dr
He was indeed part of the Banite line. However, aside from only having one apprentice at a time, Palpatine did not strictly adhere to the Rule of Two in either continuity.
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Was he a Banite Sith? Yeah, obviously, as he is a product of Bane's line.
Whether he wanted a successor or not is irrelevant, as the goal of Bane's line was to destroy the Jedi Order, which Sidious succeeded in, thus there was no need for him to continue the line of apprentice taking. His goal of achieving a state of perpetual power and control over the universe is pretty much in line with Sith doctrine.
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Stupid why? in TCW Sidious even boasts about following Banes Rule of 2 just before sonning Maul:
"Remember the first and only reality of the Sith- there can only be TWO...."
which is why I asked the question. Based on what I've read here it seems like Sidious only followed the rule when it was convenient for him. When it stopped being convenient he invented the rule of 1
He adhered to the Rule of Two in Canon and with his apprentices not because he wanted them to succeed him, but because he wanted to prevent Sith in-fighting and have someone to rule alongside him. That's why Maul displays all the traits of a Banite Sith when he returns to TCW, why Sidious considers him a rival, etc, why it's stated Savage breaches the Rule of Two. And it's why he offers Luke a place "by his side."
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Yeah, he is a product and member of the Banites. Him occasionally making a reference of their values isn't surprising, especially prior to ROTS. More importantly, Sidious himself is the endgame of the Banites, but Sidious' own endgame transcends the Rule of Two.
In TFU he was peeved about Vader training Starkiller as he thought Vader was trying to get in on his shit. Legends, but still.
It'd be interesting to see what would have happened had Sidious found him originally, though I'm sure he would have had him and Vader fight to the death long ago.
Something similar happened in TCW. Palpatine didn't like the thought of Dooku potentially grooming Asajj as an apprentice to overthrow him, so ordered Dooku to renounce and kill her.
However, Sidious is not a Banite Sith. He is a 'One' Sith.
So, he is not the product of the Banites - because Plagueis - at his own turn - dismissed that set of rules.
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Sidious never wanted a successor; he made it blatantly clear he was the last of the Banite line in his mind. However, IIRC, the vehicle fact files state he wanted Luke as his apprentice during DE to honor Bane's legacy, so he did live by Banite ideals till the very end.
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Someone tell me, if the Sith are so selfish and self-obsessed, why do they bother taking up apprentices? Or at the very least why do they bother teaching them more than the bare minimum for them to carry out errands?
Also again, what was Sidious's end goal? The Sith preach that their chains will be broken, but what are those chains for Sidious at this point (assuming he has achieved immortality and wiped out any possibility of the jedi returning)
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May 2nd, 2018 01:17 PM
It's stupid to expect him to have the same endgame with a standard Banite.
