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AncientPower
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Darth Sidious created Anakin Skywalker

Don't movie scripts take presidence over anything C-canon?

https://youtu.be/y3cNmV0jPNY


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Jaggarath
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I didn't watch the video, but I know what you're referring to.

Making of ROTS says Lucas removed it because it would seem too unbelievable, IIRC. If it's no longer Lucas' opinion, then it wouldn't override C-Canon, and given Lucas worked on the DP novel, it's likely not.

However, I do recall Ian discussing how Anakin's birth is more like the anti-Christ than the Christ and that Palpatine was directly involved, at the last convention, so maybe.


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If indeed Palpatine was responsible for Anakin's creation, do you reckon it was intentional or unintentional?

I mean, of course his goal would have been creating life via midichlorian manipulation, but do you think he would've been purposefully trying to create *the* most powerful/force-sensitive being the galaxy had ever known, or was that bit just a cosmic fluke?


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If indeed Palpatine was responsible for Anakin's creation, do you reckon it was intentional or unintentional?

I mean, of course his goal would have been creating life via midichlorian manipulation, but do you think he would've been purposefully trying to create *the* most powerful/force-sensitive being the galaxy had ever known, or was that bit just a cosmic fluke?


I was going to ask you that, actually. I havenít been keeping up with New canon for a while, but old canon had a bipolar Palpatine when it came to succession. The best explanation is that TCW Sidious wanted to be a Sith, where the Emperor wished to be the Sith, so to speak, when thinking about the Rule of Two.

Whatís canon Palpatine been like in this regard?


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Up to RotS, the implication is that Palpatine intended for Anakin/Vader to succeed him: "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"

After Vader's failure on Mustafar, however, Palpatine abandoned the thought of a successor, and started lusting after the sort of ultimate power/omnipotence that would allow him to become the immortal God of the entire SW universe. This is confirmed in the Tarkin novelization and Rebels respectively.

So canonically speaking, Palpatine also strove to be *the* Sith.


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Up to RotS, the implication is that Palpatine intended for Anakin/Vader to succeed him: "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!"


I do believe that he was lying to Anakin just to get him on his side.

Do you have evidence for your claim?


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Galan007
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Eh, the movie..? When he's fighting Yoda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDa7P_mRlr0&t=1m40s


Will that evidence work for you?


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That's not what I meant, but okay then.


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Galan007
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Then what were you talking about when you quoted that specific portion of my post and asked for evidence..? Because that is obviously what I was talking about. confused


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Sidious saying Vader will soon (although likely already did, going by Legends at least) surpass him doesn't necessarily mean he hopes Vader will succeed him, as Lucas states Sidious' plan is to have a dynasty of all-powerful Skywalker bodyguards.


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Doesn't that seem kind of unrealistic, though?

Historically speaking, once an apprentice suspects that they are more powerful than their master, it is only a matter of time until some sort of power-play for supremacy occurs. Obviously Palpatine knows this as well as anyone, but his complete trust in Anakin/Vader was also his only real Shatterpoint, so I dunno... /shrug


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Sidious knew Anakin would try to kill him shortly after he killed Obi-Wan. Sidiousí complete psychological hold over Anakin until ROTJ might be why he was so confident in victory.


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Then what were you talking about when you quoted that specific portion of my post and asked for evidence..? Because that is obviously what I was talking about. confused
I was asking for evidence on why you believe Sidious meant what he said.

I didn't ask for a scene of the movie where he said it.


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Galan007
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Um, because he said it, and there is no reason to believe he was bluffing(especially given Anakin's potential to actually become that powerful.)

What are you asking me?


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Nevermind then.

If someone says something, it doesn't make it true.

For example, Flowey says a lot of things that are not true just to manipulate you.

If someone says something, you need to back it up if they have a reason to lie about it.

Do you understand?


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Galan007
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Wow.

Lets try this another way: what reason do we have to suspect that Palpatine was lying there?


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What reason do we believe he wasn't lying there?

In the future, Palpatine never allowed Vader to surpass him.

He obviously didn't mean what he said for whatever reason.


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Galan007
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Jesus.


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Oh well then.

Last try, if Sidious planned on killing of Maul and did kill off Dooku, who says that Sidious wasn't going to kill Vader before he surpassed him.


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He didnít kill Maul when Maul was his apprentice, and he had Dooku killed exactly because he wanted a stronger apprentice...


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