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xPRIMEx
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Top 5 Red lightsaber wielders

I think we’ve all seen the list by now:

1. Vader
2. Sidious
3. Maul
4. Dooku
5. Ventress

How reliable is this source? Is it canon? I think it actually makes sense for Vader being #1 above Sidious, considering Sidious despised lightsaber combat (only using it when necessary) and the fact that he lost to Windu and was disarmed by Yoda. Honestly placing Dooku below Maul is more ridiculous to me
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Yoda didnt disarm Sidious. wink

The list is definitely canon. Matt Martin acknowledged it.

But there's more that goes into battles then just saber skill. Even if Maul was a better duelist, Dooku would obviously smoke him in an actual fight. Same with Vader vs. Sidious.


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Originally posted by Sheev
Yoda didnt disarm Sidious. wink

The list is definitely canon. Matt Martin acknowledged it.

But there's more that goes into battles then just saber skill. Even if Maul was a better duelist, Dooku would obviously smoke him in an actual fight. Same with Vader vs. Sidious.

Ok. I just find it hard to believe Maul is a better lightsaber combatant than Dooku. I guess it could be argued that Dooku’s force powers are what make him superior though. For example when he took out Obi Wan in ROTS it was only because he used the force.
Same with Sidious and Vader. Vader might be a superior duelist but Sidious is more powerful in the force.
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No one batting an eye over Ventress being placed above Kylo Ren.

Shes just lucky General Krells Sabers hadnt bled red yet.
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Kylo never displayed saber skills above Ventress level IMO.


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Kylo Ren wasn't yet created when the list was made iirc
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Kylo Ren wasn't yet created when the list was made iirc
You might be right. Or he didn't have many feats yet.


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Originally posted by Sheev
Kylo never displayed saber skills above Ventress level IMO.



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quote: (post)
Originally posted by Darthadi
Kylo Ren wasn't yet created when the list was made iirc



Yes he was. That Guide was one of the run ups to TFA.
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Originally posted by Darthadi
Kylo Ren wasn't yet created when the list was made iirc
He was.

The guide was released in 2016, shortly after TFA. In fact, Kylo was featured on the same splash page as the top 5 list:
https://i.imgur.com/igTfMZV.jpg


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The list was made after TFA, when his only feat was losing to Rey so not really a surprise
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It might have even been made before, but was updated after. Still before TLJ and ROS
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Originally posted by xPRIMEx
It might have even been made before, but was updated after. Still before TLJ and ROS
When was it updated?


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In 2016 before TLJ I think
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Originally posted by xPRIMEx
It might have even been made before, but was updated after. Still before TLJ and ROS
If a new list were made now, I'd be surprised if Kylo didn't make the top 3.

Not because he's displayed immense skill in the films/comics, but because of some of the wank he's gotten on SW.com and the VDs. Clearly they have a very high opinion of Kylo's abilities.

...Not that it's entirely undeserved. By all accounts, Kylo *should* be a high-end swordsman, given that he was trained by Luke(whose skill was already equal to Vader's as of RotJ) for over a decade, and possesses Skywalker-level potential.


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Originally posted by xPRIMEx
In 2016 before TLJ I think
Was the list the same?


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^ There's no list in the updated version.


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Originally posted by Galan007
If a new list were made now, I'd be surprised if Kylo didn't make the top 3.

Not because he's displayed immense skill in the films/comics, but because of some of the wank he's gotten on SW.com and the VDs. Clearly they have a very high opinion of Kylo's abilities.

...Not that it's entirely undeserved. By all accounts, Kylo *should* be a high-end swordsman, given that he was trained by Luke(whose skill was already equal to Vader's as of RotJ) for over a decade, and possesses Skywalker-level potential.

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What wank are you referring to? Just out of curiosity wink
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Most notably, the quote from SW.com, which states he is one of the most powerful combatants in the history of the mythos:
quote:
Kylo Ren has a lifetime of training and practice, is one of the most powerful combatants in the history of Star Wars, and is the leader of the Knights of Ren.

As well as this excerpt from the VD, which likens his saber skill to that of Vader and Luke:
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And there are a number of other quotes that reference his ridiculous potential.


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