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Ahnold
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Is This True???

Hello all,

A couple of years ago, I was asked to make a short, 10 minute speech in English class on anything that I liked. And so, naturally, 007 came to mind ...

Whilst doing some research for it, I read something rather interesting. According to some magazine tie-in for Bond 20, Bond was actually KILLED in one of Fleming's novels {in "you only live twice", I think}, and then brought back as a zombified hitman in another {which I believe was "TMWTGG"}; apparantly, like Bond being widowed, it was a sign of Fleming's boredom with the character. Is this true? Can any literate-minded JB fans help me out? Thanks.

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It was actually his clone.

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Whilst doing some research for it, I read something rather interesting. According to some magazine tie-in for Bond 20, Bond was actually KILLED in one of Fleming's novels {in "you only live twice", I think}, and then brought back as a zombified hitman in another {which I believe was "TMWTGG"}; apparantly, like Bond being widowed, it was a sign of Fleming's boredom with the character. Is this true? Can any literate-minded JB fans help me out? Thanks.

Sort of true. Ian Flemming "killed" Bond at the end of "You Only Live Twice." He apparently actually intended to end the franchise there, but ended up changing his mind (shades of Sherlock Holmes). We learn in "The Man With the Golden Gun" that Bond survived, but was captured by the enemy. He was brainwashed by them, and TMWTGG begins with him being sent back to England kill M. He fails, and is captured by his own people, who deprogram him.

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Originally posted by Gregory
Sort of true. Ian Flemming "killed" Bond at the end of "You Only Live Twice." He apparently actually intended to end the franchise there, but ended up changing his mind (shades of Sherlock Holmes). We learn in "The Man With the Golden Gun" that Bond survived, but was captured by the enemy. He was brainwashed by them, and sent back to kill M. He fails, and is captured by his own people, who deprogram him, and he is sent by M to kill another badguy, which he does.

Thanks Greg! Say - that plot would probably make a pretty good Bond movie in itself ...

I wonder why the magazine tie-in said that he came back as a "zombie" then. Perhaps they were talking metaphorically ...

In that case, was "TMWTGG" the last Bond novel Fleming ever wrote?

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Ahnold
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Originally posted by Reborn Again
It was actually his clone.

Are you just guessing there? 'Cos what Greg said disagrees with that ...

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In that case, was "TMWTGG" the last Bond novel Fleming ever wrote?

Yes. Actually, Fleming died before he could finish it; it was completed by another, unknown author (but the stuff I mentioned happened in the beginning of the book, so that was Fleming).

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Mar 28th, 2005 11:57 PM

Ahnold
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Wow. I never knew that. Does it sound really disjointed then {because of the input of two authors}?

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I didn't think so, although it's been a while since I've read it. Looking around the internet, it looks like Fleming actually died after writing the rough draft, which was than edited by someone else, so it wouldn't be disjointed--the story is all Fleming's, if the writing isn't. It's one of my favorite books, but a lot of other people seem to really hate it.

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Mar 29th, 2005 12:12 AM

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wow,... never knew that one greg blink

guess "zombie" works in some way of the word

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erm..zombie is not only a alive-deadman but it is also used to express the state of mind...that someone's brainless....as if..empty..with no feelings/soul/brain

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