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Russia With Love Chessmatch
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Russia With Love Chessmatch

I was watching From Russia With Love, particularly the chessmatch scene and I noticed something odd about the victory. Kronsteen is shown as the winner but I was amazed after closely analyzing the terms of his vicctory that he did not indeed checkmate his opponent. He checks his opponent but he still has one move as far as I can see but he just tips over his king and says "My congratulations. A brilliant coup." I really don't understand this I even paused the DVD and looked at it for a couple of minutes to make sure but I could be wrong. Did he forfeit the match? If anyone knows what I'm talking about or is interested or anything please let me know. I tried to attach a chessboard of the setup where Kronsteen is red and his opponent green and it is green's turn as it is in the movie but it was made in paint so I can't if you want to see it E-mail me or you could just watch the movie


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As far as I know, the chessgame is actually the game between Boris Spassky and David Bronstein at the USSR Championship in Leningrad in 1960. So I take that his opponent took everything into account and realised no matter what, he would lose?

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Sorry I may have messed up the name but I don't think he had to quit he had a move that in which his king was perfectly protected. IDK maybe I am paying too much attention to the nitty gritty if you know what I mean.


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no you're not, cause since they were doing the Spassky-Bronstein duel why would they not go till the last move? messed

it would be great if you could post a screenshot or something

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AmrothSkywalker
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Here's the setup

confused he(Green) tips his King over at this point before moving

Attachment: chessboard 2.jpg
This has been downloaded 57 time(s).


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isn't there a rule that if the king can't move, you've lost anyway?

I mean, it's his (green) move, so he can only go to the black square but that's the only square the king can be on... meaning he got defeated?
I'm not 100% sure about that rule but still pretty sure it exists

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He CAN move there and as long as he can move other pieces its not a stalemate. If he has no other moves but moving his king and no matter where his king goes he gets checked then thats a stalemate and in that case there is still not a winner it is a draw. Also he can move his knight to block so he really has two moves. So now I'm more than sure its a screw up.


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well, I looked it up for you and you can read it here:

http://chess-now.com/kings-gambit.htm

all I know about chess is how to play it so those things are over my head...
It finishes with a reference to the Bond-chessgame:
"Strangely enough however in the 'Kronsteen-McAdams game' the White pawns at d4 and c5 were omitted (BC)."

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I know that it may haver been different in real life but i know in the movie the setup I showed the exact setup and there are THREE different moves he can do to get out of check!


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well, perhaps they simply misread the match or they were too lazy to properly set things up?

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Yea only expl.


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I hope so cause you got me stunned, though I'll try to find more about this smile

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