I read the entire dragonball manga and I noticed that dbz is a very powerful verse... more powerful than people think they are... Im gonna show proof of their strength (obviously more than 40 tons) speed, durability, and energy (high tier-solar system+ buster). I'll list some but not all of their best feats. Will use manga only.
Strength
Kid Goku lift and throw 1 ton car at power level 10.
Kid Goku lifts 2 ton rock, throws it in the air, and shatters it with one punch.
Kid Goku pushes 10 ton rock with ease. rock's diameter is greater than the length of master roshi's body who is at least 5 ft tall.
Kid Goku and Krillin push 600 ton rock. Rock dimensions 20 ft high 20 ft long 20 ft wide. multiply all dimensions x 150 lb (which is average weight of rock per cubic foot) 20x20x20x150= 600 tons.
Tao pai pai with pl less than 200 hurls half ton pillar at least at the speed of sound over 2300 km ( must be the equivalent of lifting at least 500 tons overhead).
Goku throws giant piccolo. Giant piccolo obviously weighs more than 40 tons.
Goku kicks frieza through 2 islands.
Speed
Master roshi and krillin moving so fast during battle that no one can see them.
Roshi easily dodges bullets
Saiyan Saga Goku crosses snake way in 2 days and snake way's road is 1,000,000 km. mach 17 at least.
Base Goku escapes frieza's energy ball before it explodes.
Durability
Kid Goku is resists against lightning and lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun.
Goku tanks piccolo island busting blast (though he amped his body up with ki).
Frieza survives planet namek's explosion. Note: he tanks a planet's explosion not a planet busting attack. Planet busting attack > planet exploding on its own.
Energy
Master Roshi destroys moon at power level 139.
Piccolo destroys moon with casual ki blast at power level 300+.
Saiyan Saga vegeta threatens to destroy earth. This only proven via power scaling. moon is 1/80 the mass of the earth, and roshi destroys moon. vegeta at pl 18000 is almost 130 times more powerful than roshi.
Frieza saga vegeta after last powerup almost destroyed namek but frieza kicks the attack into space.
Base form frieza destroys planet vegeta a planet 10 times bigger than earth.
70 percent frieza tries to destroy namek. Note: he would have destroyed the planet completely but he stated held back too much energy (so he does not have to disrupt the core to destroy a planet) Think im wrong... look at how much energy frieza used to destroy the planet an energy blast the size of a beach ball if he would have made it twice as big planet namek would have exploded on impact.
Semi-perfect cell destroy king kai planet. king kai planet is 10 times more dense than earth. 10 times more dense equals 10 times the mass.
King Cold and Frieza state how easy it would be for them to destroy an earth sized planet.
Only an idiot actually takes the 40 ton feat seriously, was an inconsistency, the feats you named are all well-known and very much accepted to be within Goku's capabilities... Although some of your information is kind of sketchy.
First I would like to point out that PL does not really mean anything beyond who can beat who like your post seems to imply it does, someone with a PL of 1,000 for instance cannot necessarily lift twice as much or is twice as fast as someone with a PL of 500.
"Kid Goku and Krillin push 600 ton rock. Rock dimensions 20 ft high 20 ft long 20 ft wide. multiply all dimensions x 150 lb (which is average weight of rock per cubic foot) 20x20x20x150= 600 tons."
The problem with this is that you assume that all rocks weigh the same amount, do you know what kind of rock this was? Also, scans would be nice, cannot recall the rock.
"Kid Goku is resists against lightning and lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun."
This is not really a big deal... Most people who are struck by lightning live due to damping, our bodies are naturally good conductors, and Saiyan bodies are pretty human in most regards. and the same is likely true. Also, lightning strikes last for much less than a second... So yeah. It is not the same as actually being even near the sun.
"Frieza survives planet namek's explosion. Note: he tanks a planet's explosion not a planet busting attack. Planet busting attack > planet exploding on its own."
One must note that the only reason Freeza survived was because of his unique biology, he was torn to pieces but survived because he can essentially survive any wound short of complete annihilation.
"Piccolo destroys moon with casual ki blast at power level 300+."
It was not a casual blast, it was the Masenko.
"Saiyan Saga vegeta threatens to destroy earth. This only proven via power scaling. moon is 1/80 the mass of the earth, and roshi destroys moon. vegeta at pl 18000 is almost 130 times more powerful than roshi."
Once again, PL does not correlate with destruction. Also, the numbers have been posted, it would require more than 1,800 times the energy required to destroy the moon to destroy Earth if I recall correctly.
"Base form frieza destroys planet vegeta a planet 10 times bigger than earth."
Was it base form in the manga, cannot recall?
"70 percent frieza tries to destroy namek. Note: he would have destroyed the planet completely but he stated held back too much energy (so he does not have to disrupt the core to destroy a planet) Think im wrong... look at how much energy frieza used to destroy the planet an energy blast the size of a beach ball if he would have made it twice as big planet namek would have exploded on impact."
The only real problem I see with this is that it assumes blast size always correlates with power, while this was the case with Kid Buu, who did not exercise any control over his power and was just a raging chaotic monster, Freeza was able to exercise a great deal of control over his powers.
"Semi-perfect cell destroy king kai planet. king kai planet is 10 times more dense than earth. 10 times more dense equals 10 times the mass."
Denser? It has ten times the gravity, when was it stated to be ten times as dense? And the reason for its gravity certainly was not its mass, the planet is smaller than some homes.
It's never shown in the manga on panel. However, we know that people saw him do it, but he says nobody has seen him in his higher forms. So it would probably have been base, especially since that was the only one introduced when that was mentioned.
Sorry I can't post links to the scans because ima newcomer to the forum
And nemebro... that rock was about 600 tons even if we assume its a sandstone boulder and sandstone is lighter than limestone and granite.
Piccolo's blast was not a masenko it was a normal energy blast.
And since you wanna use physics ....ur right it does take about 2000 times more energy to destroy the moon
Well what about super buu and gotenks creating wormholes by screaming. did you know dat it takes the combined energy of 10 billion stars in one year to create a wormhole. Even a black hole cant rip through space and time it only bends it which means super buu and ssj3 gotenks scream is more powerful than a black hole.
It takes our sun a week to produce enough energy to destroy an earth
sized planet. if we assume all 10 billion stars are equal to our sun then superbuu and ssj3 gotenks are at multi-star busting levels.
10000000000x52 weeks in a year=520000000000 earth sized planets.
super buu and ssj3 gotenks can produce enough power to destroy 520 billion earths in a scream and that's not at full power!
and about power levels im trying to state that these characters are capable of achieving far greater feats than what they did earlier in the manga. For example... saiyan saga vegeta is 18000 and he could possibly destroy earth. then he have ssj namek goku whose pl is 150,000,000. 150000000/18000=8333.3 which means ssj goku can destroy earth 8333.3 times over and they grow even more powerful after frieza saga.
LOL, I didnt even read the rest of your post after you said someone with a power level of 500 can beat a character with the powrelevel of 1000.
Everything about DBZ proves that wrong and again, more bias on your part. Someone with a power level of 1000 should be able to TANK anything a person with a 500 power can throw out unless they are allowed time to charge up more KI.
LOL, I just read the rest of your post nemo bro and everything you said just didnt make any sense at all and thats all you tried to do was discredit (just like Mike) dragonball feats. Rocks weighing different weight, LOL, powerlevel, LOL, etc.....
If you knew anything about DBZ you would know that the higher the powerlevel the more destructive you are.
Re: Re: Re: Re: DBZ more powerful than you think...
First I would like to point out that PL does not really mean anything beyond who can beat who like your post seems to imply it does, someone with a PL of 1,000 for instance cannot necessarily lift twice as much or is twice as fast as someone with a PL of 500.
That is what you said, now answer this for me.
Picollo was STOMPING first transformation frieza until frieza powered up to his second big head form. Why was frieza much more faster than picollo after his transformation, why was frieza more power after this transformation, why was frieza much more stronger after this transformation?
Not every rock weighs the same amount, if you were not a moron, you would probably know that.
PL was dropped after the Freeza saga for a reason, because it meant who could beat who, that is the only reliable way to look at it.
More destructive? Sure. Does it correlate exactly with destruction? No, if you possessed more than a fourth grader's level of reading you would have picked up that that was my point.
LOL, if that isnt what you meant with what I said then I apologize for attacking you and I could have took your post the wrong way but again, the rock feat showed that it was a hard a** rock so you cant take anything away from that feat.
DBZ is a very powerful universe, and does beat a lot of powerful series but it's not the strongest universe ever like most fanboys said it is. Good post though.
Well this lower life is apologizing to you if he read your post the wrong way now back on topic, good post KB and I really didnt know Goku was that powerful as a child.
im not trying to say dbz is the most powerful verse. Im just trying to say they are more powerful than what most people think they are. But with the info I provided they are class 100 in strength and been class 100 during db ( they can also amp up their strength with ki), FTL (proven via power scaling), and high-tier characters such as mystic gohan, ssj3 goku/gotenks, and super buu are multi-star busters.
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