Roshi, power is geometrically smaller than even SSJ Goku when Goku fought Freiza, still destroyed the moon with ease: two hands.
Jump forward. Piccolo, at a power more than twice of Roshi's...destroyed another moon with one hand with even more ease.
Jump forward where Goku is not exponentially more powerful than both Roshi and Piccolo. Fights a character that can casually destroye planets in his base form....the character's full-powered form is well over a hundred times more powerful than his base-form.
Jump forward to the Cell Games. Cell is more powerful that the androids in his perfect for. The androids are much more powerful than than SSJ's that are also much more powerful than the version of Goku that fought cell.
Cell is massively more powerful compared to Roshi. Roshi can destroy the moon.
Scale Cell. When he claims to have powered up a kamehameha enough to destroy shit many many times over, he's closer to the truth than not.
Conclusion, by the Cell games, Goku and Cell are solar system busters.
By the end of Dragonball, Goku should be able to easily destroy multiple start systems with a full power blast.
We know this is possible because Kid Buu easily destroys many planets.
ki is a system of diminishings returns. There is not way freiza would fail to blow up namek in his final form otherwise. He would literally have to be using less than .1% of his power.
How much more powerful. Also the andriods had high base stats (somehow) but on a ki level demonstrated nothign impressive. The strongest one was andriod 16 and he was barely island level.
Your bad at this.
No. You have nothing to go on at all. All you have is arbitraty A>b>c
Which is shit and unreliable.
Conclusion, by the Cell games, Goku and Cell are solar system busters.
If I were a teacher I would fail you. Not only have you failed to proven anything you have succeeded in waiting everyone's time. If your going to fail at least be funny at it (i.e Big C)
Pay attention: Gohan's power was cut in half when he was doing a 1 v 1 against Cell because he could only use one hand.
And when he threw that blast towards the core, it was most certainly not even a small fraction of a percent because he was still able to power up to a 100% form.
So you agree with me. Good. But that may have not been intentional on your part.
Anywhere from 4 to 10,000,000 times more powerful.
Android 16 is not island level. By the time we get to 16, he's more likely at solar system level. Cell still had plenty of power left over when he made his solar-system level attack.
You're bad at using the proper form of "you're".
But, no, I am not. That portion you quoted is definitely inexorable: you literally cannot argue against it.
You have not done anything even slightly to prove it is arbitrary logic. You're bad at this thing called "debate".
This is a reasonable conclusion since they were almost perfectly matched.
But they are most likely greater because Cell had plenty of energy left over after making his kamehameha form.
If you were a teacher, you'd be a very bad one. You fail at basic logic and debate. You might be able to pass as a kindergarten teacher as arguing with small children might net you a win every now and again.
The opposite is true. Additionally, you have done nothing, even slightly, to disprove what I said. You succeeded in whining, mostly...but nothing of substance was presented to counter my arguments. By the end, you even admit I am right for at least Goku and Cell.
Sorry, I cannot comply: I have a hard time failing.
But, while you're busy feeling butthurt and "mad bro", maybe you could learn how to actually debate? Whining does not make a conversation go very far: FYI.
Looks like you have made a serious blunder. No where in my post will you find a portion in my post that says that Goku and co. could tank those massive blasts.
Here's why: no where in my post did I say that Goku and co. could tank those blasts.
So you think gohan's ki production comes from his arm...
I mean you'd have to, to say some shit like that. In a series where people have used hands, eyes, mouth, faces, and ****ing feet to shoot the stuff right. Right. RIGHT.
What part of this is supposed to make sense. Your statement isnt a coherent thought. So your saying it wasnt a large part of his power because he... could power up more... So... woudl he be unable to transform if it were? Besides that even in his not 100% 4th form it would still have to be under 1% of his power. Lets review the sequence of events.
1. Frieza attempts to blow up namek
2. Fails miserably
3. Upon seeing that he has failed he doesnt bother to try again
Why. How. It would literally be harder holding back 99.99% of your strength that using 99.98% of it. Freiza would have had to be actively trying to fail to blow up the planet. Which we know he wasnt.
Numbers pulled out your ass. You have provided 0 justification.
Holy shit thats hilarious. Let me get this straight. Andriod 16 who used all his energy attempted to destroy cell at all cost only succeeded in destroying a island so he is solar system level? The same level that you say goku, gohan, and cell are. Despite being vastly weaker... You cant even keep this shit straight in your own head.
Your bad at not being a wall biting mouth breather.
A Horse is bigger than a fly. YOU CAN NOT ARGUE THIS!
Yes. I Have.
Tell me. What is 1 ki. What does it represent. What is the speed of somewhat with 1 ki? What about destructive capability? Durability? Strength? You can not answer any of these quesitons becuase the answers dont exist. Ki is an arbitraty measuring system that is only supposed to make small children and retards go "zomg big numbers!!!111!eleventyone!!"
You could replace ki with something ****ing stupid and it would still make the same about of sense.. " Oh my god im reading over NINE THOUSAND WIZARDS!"
No it isnt since you never explained how the **** they would be solar system busters in the first place
Who taught this trog how to use a computer?
No seriously where are the cameras. Am I being punked right now? This guy cant be real.
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It's not what I think: the blasts lose half of their power if only one hand is use. Deal with it.
It makes perfect sense as you seem to understand it just fine...but pretend to be dumb. Classic troll-tactic.
Here's why you fail, miserably, in forming any sort of thing that resembles logic:
Frieza casually destroyed Vegeta in his weakest from.
He didn't "full power it" because he used fractions of a percent his power. He said that "he missed". Don't know what that means but it would appear that the blast was enough to destroy the planet.
Also, you fail to make a semblence of logic because Frieza CAN control his power and how much he puts out. Even a child-Goku could control how strong his blasts are. It's quite stupid to argue that characters like Frieza and Goku cannot control how much power they put out. Also, Frieza was still at 50%: he powered up even more to his 100%. That's obvious that he barely used fractions of a percent of his power up to that point or else he would not be at "100%".
To address your 3 points:
1. He would have immediately succeeded if he aimed right, according to him. He'd know: he's a casual planet buster at many times weaker than his current form.
2. He succeeded because it blows up, in 5 minutes, anyway.
3. He doesn't need to: he succeeded. It was just delayed because he missed.
This is why you fail: you don't know what logic is.
And, actually, it is far harder to use 99.98% of your strength than using 99.99% of you strength. You do it every day and just don't realize it. You think a surgeon is using anymore than .01% of his maximum grip strength when gripping a scalpel? You think you are using something even close to .01% when you grab a feather? Hmmm?
With my grip strength alone, I can pick up well over 150lbs. That translates to 68040 grams. Yet, using the same motion, I can pick up a single paperclip, no problem. Which is easier? Squeezing my hands together to pick up 150lbs or squeezing my hands together to pick up a paperclip? Exactly. It's far harder to exert maximum force than exerting thousandths of your maximium force.
I provided quite a lengthy justification a couple of years back. Too bad: you tried.
What? How horrible your arguments are?
What you just did here is called a 'strawman'. You didn't even attempt to represent my argument properly.
So, Cell, who had plenty of energy left over, but being able to power up enough to destroy a solar system, is somehow sooooo much more powerful than Android 16 that Android 16 has no hope of being a solar system buster? Do you even think your arguments through? Did it even set off some sort of "wait a minute...I probably should not argue against this point because my counter could be illogical"?
Of course it didn't register for you: you actually believe your own shit.
You kind of...you know...have to actually have a bit of a brain before you can use insults like that.
Excellent comeback: it perfectly refuted my argument. <---sarcasm
No you haven't.
I have no idea: that unit of measure is never used in Dragonball.
You, apparently, are not aware of the calculations used to estimate the speed and power of characters at various power levels.
What does a powerlevel of 100-150 represent? It represents the ability of a person to move a supersonic speeds, casually blow up moons, be bullet proof, etc.
What does a power level of 9000 represent? It means someone can move at hypersonic speeds, blow up planets (anime only) casually endure nuke level blasts, etc.
Guess you didn't think your argument through, too well, did you? Of course you didn't
Yes it is because they (goku and perfect cell) were almost perfectly matched.
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