The word "truth" that we use to express a "meaning" is objective, obviously , but maybe the "meaning" it want to express, the meaning of truth, is not.
It does not necessarily need to be objective, words and definitions are objective, but they are just tools that we like. Just a matter of preference.
i phrased it like that because i believe that peoples perceptions r wot make up the world, so "external to the mind" would mean, to me, the common accepted truths.
(sorry to post 2 posts they shudv bin the same, oops)
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erm not exactly....let me think of an example..........say for example i was taught that the numbers 5 and 4 were the other way around, and i grew up believing that we counted 1, 2, 3, 5, 4... to me it would be true that 2+2=5 but you might say that this is wrong....this probably isnt makin any sense but the point is that my truth would be different to your truth so how do we know which truth is 'true'...
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i know it wernt a very good example but its hard to explain! maybe a better example would be taste...do things taste the same to me as they do to you? if not then which of us can say that what we taste is the 'true' taste? is it just true to us or does it depend on some external force....
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Everybody has their own truth, I suppose, though if youre looking for the betterment of all, it would be the same truth as others in a way of gravitation towards the positives in life....and making a difference...It comes down to "Who Are You?"
Absolutely- Lil, that is mistaking perception for truth.
Fact is, all truths are objective, and in biscuit's example above, the truth is simply that things taste differently for different people, and to make out there was one correct taste above all others would be a falsehood.
But the method by which that food or drink causes that particular taste in each person would be an objective fact.
But facts are facts regardless of any non-existant or erroneous observation of them.
People are in danger of steering into personal verificationism here, which is basically void, philsophically speaking (alarm bells go off whenever you hear someone say 'my truth').
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Last edited by Ushgarak on Nov 15th, 2005 at 06:40 PM
So how do you find truth, if not by perception? Does truth just randomly appear?
How did man release that grass grows - did he observe such happening, or did he just know?
Some truths don't differ. Like what?
6, 000 years ago the truth was that the gods made rain. Now we know different. So what if in another 6, 000 years, a truth of why its raining changes, which truth is correct?
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Last edited by lil bitchiness on Nov 16th, 2005 at 11:49 AM
It was never true that the gods made rain, nor was it ever true that the earth was flat.
Humans just lacked the means to discover the absolute objective truth in question so they took it upon themselves to draw a conclusion. It's not "Now we know different". Believing the world to be spherical isn't an alternative view, it's the true view. We now know the truth because we have means of discovering it. If someone chooses to believe the earth is flat now, they're an idiot.
The world didn't become spherical when we discovered the ability to observe it. It was always spherical. Just like it has always rained for the reasons that it factually rains.
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