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Juggernut
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The hardcore fans vs the idiot writers?

Who's words hold more value?

No matter what comic character is your favorite, sometimes we
come across bad writings by idiot writers who neglects to understand
the true nature of a character's powers and ends up writing
inconsistancies with regards to a character's powers and abilities.

Should the fact that the writers holds the pencil to dictate
the life of our characters but sometimes get it wrong. Should
we accept these errors as fact or should the opinions of the
fans who sometimes knows much more than they do matter more?

Your thoughts..

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Good thread. Everybody who has read comics, knows big mistakes are made by the writers. I often ask myself if these so-called writers actually know their characters... sad

I think it's stupid to complain the rest of your life about the fact that your favorite hero looked dumb in this and that scene, where he, according to you, should have kicked ass. It happened, so end of story.

But at the same time, when it's being discussed, I don't mind pointing out that it was a mistake of the writer. I do not accept everything, and some stories or whatever are (almost) unforgivable.


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Great thread.when screenwriters take on a comicbook film,they should listen to what some of the fans say and their imput because these days hollywood seems to always screw up a comicbook in some way or another by not being loyal to the source material.They seem to always screw it up in one way or another with the casting choices for the role casting someone who is so physically wrong for the role and doesnt even come close to fitting the part or someone who is ugly and for some pretty girl-give you a hint,it was a girl comicbook character this summer they screwed up on because of that,or trying to add a new twist by doing their own little thing ignoring how it will piss off thousands of comicbook fans.Superman and dick tracy are comicbook movies that come to mind where they actually stayed loyal to the source material and it was true to the comic.But most comicbook movies since then-two that were released this past summer,seem to always betray the character and the source material in one way or another.Holllywood just seems to screw it up all the time these days. mad


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I think that as long as it stays in the main continuity of the characters exsistance then it is fine.

I don't like seeing new skills or abilities being pulled of in One Shots and Crossover comics.

Those comics should be nothing new, just a display of the previously mentioned powers.



Like I heard about Venom's drool being poisonous and acidic once...which is bullsh!t.

Or Juggernaut "reaching his potential" by growing 50 ft. in the air.

hell even Hulk lifting that mountain in Secret Wars was far fetched. Some other heroes should have HAD to help out in order to lift that much weight.


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Great thread.when screenwriters take on a comicbook film,they should listen to what some of the fans say and their imput because these days hollywood seems to always screw up a comicbook in some way or another by not being loyal to the source material.They seem to always screw it up in one way or another with the casting choices for the role casting someone who is so physically wrong for the role and doesnt even come close to fitting the part or someone who is ugly and for some pretty girl-give you a hint,it was a girl comicbook character this summer they screwed up on because of that,or trying to add a new twist by doing their own little thing ignoring how it will piss off thousands of comicbook fans.Superman and dick tracy are comicbook movies that come to mind where they actually stayed loyal to the source material and it was true to the comic.But most comicbook movies since then-two that were released this past summer,seem to always betray the character and the source material in one way or another.Holllywood just seems to screw it up all the time these days. mad

no one cares about your rants...

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^ Too true. Spiderman 1 & 2 kicked ass. They followed the basic storyline, but did a couple of new things to create this sort of reaction.

The changes should be embraced, not shunned.


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right on...

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No they should be shunned BIG TIME because they are plain idiotic.


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Like you? Guess you should be shunned.

Begin shunning.

AS for characters being badly written... I think Wolvie' takes the cake. Surviving a goddamn nuke! Thats such bullshit.


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it's better than writing "bump"

shifty

but it's not a bad thread, a lot of writers do seem to be lacking in knowledge of certain characters backgrounds..... on occasion


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it's better than writing "bump"

shifty

but it's not a bad thread, a lot of writers do seem to be lacking in knowledge of certain characters backgrounds..... on occasion


Well in the marvel side you can blame Joe and the Editors for not doing there jobs.


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yep, look at jms and spider-man, some goo some bad, i think the fans should hold sway


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I'm just waiting for the day Geoff Johns' contract at DC runs out, so Marvel can jump on it. Johns has so much sh*t to fix over there.


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As much as the writers can make mistakes and exaggerate, they are the pros getting paid. If we think we can do better, write some stories and prove it.
I bet Alan Moore is the only writer who's never been given harsh criticism. Not that he deserves any - the man's almost a God in the industry.


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Ha, good thread.

Yeah, writing can be bad sometimes in terms of character continuity....but we have to remember that writers are (nearly always) trying to write for the sake of a great story....not for the sake of demented internet fanboys (i.e. all of us) who need continuity within characters to make solid arguments about hypothetical fights. We're at once the target audience (since we take it seriously) and the last people they're writing it for.

Lapses in powers and random PIS will always happen, and half the fun is sifting through it all to find some sort of cohesive truth.


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I'm just waiting for the day Geoff Johns' contract at DC runs out, so Marvel can jump on it. Johns has so much sh*t to fix over there.

The day Johns signs with Marvel is the day I become a Marvel zombie. I'm doubting this day will come.


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The worst examples of writers being inconsistant obviously
surround Wolverine and X-Men. I think this is more due to
wanting to keep the fanbase happy at all costs.
Marvel's writing has been pretty top-notch from day 1 to about 1990.
Things went downhill since then. The only people Marvel could
count on at the time to buy the books without questioning the writing
were the X-Fans (later to devolve into "Fanboys").
So Marvel has spent the last 15 years writing utter bullcrap just to
keep these loyal fanboys happy. Hence, secondary mutations, Claremont's
over-exaggeration of powers, Wolverine's schizo healing factor, etc.

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That's why you have to take averages into consideration. Doom took a shot from Thanos with the IG and lived. Doom also got shortsircuited by Squirrel Girl. Doom took a shot from Beyonder. Doom's armor also got overloaded by Luke Cage. The solution is simple - disregard them all and look to consistency in the bulk of his showings. That puts Doom's armor at around Iron Man's level - the ability to hold off CL100 strength for a limited amount of time.

We should really take that approach with all characters.


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