Lucifer is trying to take over the entire multi-verse. THE Presence is dead because of it's own stupidity and got killed via saint of killers, and is no longer their. Spectre is powerless. Now he sets his sight on the Marvel Universe. Can the TOAA stop Lucifer and his followers?
TOAA
VS.
Lucifer Team:
Lucifer Morningstar
Archangel Michael
The Great Evil Beast
Decreator
Anti-Monitor
Maggedon
Imperiux
Yuga Khan
It was the God from the Preacher Comics. That God, is NOT, I repeat, is NOT The Presence. It was EXPLICTLY stated in Lucifer that Presence left creation, NOT killed.
The Preacher Comics has their own universe independent of the Vertigo/DC Universe.
As for the thread, see Beyonder's post.
__________________ "You'd think part of omniscience would be knowing when to stop, but still..."
It was also said i Lucifer that 'God is dead'.
Then the 2 angels that were in charge of hell got mad and said that he isnt dead, he ust 'left the universe'.
But even so, lucifer could be set between when god left the universe, and when he was killed at the end of preacher.
Also, it stated in lucifer that that woman was 'widowed by god'.
simple rules apply. TOAA is the sum total of the marvel universe, multiverse, omniverse mega verse whatever. but the presence is only half the sum of the DC world because it has an equal in power, the great beast. so anything lesser tha TOAA+THE GREAT BEAST is weaker than TOAA.
Berim: "Now please pay attention. That is Michael falling. he has fought with his brother Lucifer and he has lost. Now he's dying, and he's blood stains the roots of the world-tree. The fall of the worlds, already set in motion when Yahweh ABDICATED, now becomes inevitable."
Michael also said this: The Primum Mobile is empty. God has DEPARTED this place. Forever.
__________________ "You'd think part of omniscience would be knowing when to stop, but still..."
it was in lucifer #49, where that woman was said to be the widow of god.
and a few issues later (i think it was either the one where rudd gets the key to effrul, or it might have been a much earlier issue) one of the 2 angels that were in control of hell gets paranoid about god being dead, and says "god is NOT dead. He's just left the universe"
If there woudln't be PRESENCE, THE [a.k.a. God, Jhvh, Allah, etc.], there wouldn't be Great Beast. So that makes The Presence infinitely more powerful than Great Beast, NO CONEST, it shouldn't be even a conversation, it is a shame to copare Great Beast with The Presence (almightycreator of all that it is), Great Beast is literally nothing. And finally The Presence=God can't die by no means, he is only being ever in realtiy in comic universe that can't die by no means, and everyone can die (LT, Lucifer, Great Beast...), if he decicdes that way.
Stop being so one sided, alawys DC and DC. No Lucifer, Michael, Great BEast would be doomed and humilated how easily would be doomed.
Last edited by Xplosive on Apr 16th, 2005 at 11:18 AM
i heard somewehere that the great beast is a part of the presence that was ripped off{cant verify}, but clearly the great beast has shown to have similar powers to the presence{and for heavens sake dont mix up the presence and the so called GOD, GOD is not the supreme being, the presence is, they are similar entities}
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