Woah...no WW argument from Draco. I saw he posted and was ready for a scrap...oh well.
Warlock wins. He's put up shields that have taken hits from similar heavy-hitters and may not be as strong, but has a lot of different tactics at his disposal.
Not to give you a big head there Drac, but I'd agree. Pretty much everything you say is intelligently backed up. You're on my short-list of most trustworthy posters (a list I myself probably wouldn't be on...sometimes my fanboy-ism gets a hold of me). And when someone is as hot as WW, how can you blame anyone for being a fanboy.
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someone please tell me WHY WW wouldn't be able to beat 'classic' warlock, considering hercules beat him down rather easily during an issue of the watch? what -REALLY- is the fascination of warlock on this forum? surfer level?? thor has beaten AW down many times. honestly, i like warlock - don't LOVE him, he's too . . . mystic (??) - for me, but explain this fascination with him on this forum, and tell me why ww couldn't beat him. please?
Thank you again. And from what I have seen you never post fanboy comments. I've heard you say you are a Spidey fan but you don't seem to let it get in the way of you sagacity. I treat your posts like gospel.
Wow. Nicest thing I've heard in a while...thanks Draco.
Let me try to shed some light on this for you leo, though I understand the confusion...Warlock isn't too far beyond WW, and we're probably making this fight seem more one-sided than it would really be. There was a good Superman vs. Warlock argument but I can't find it...the Warlock supporters in that one cited his energy/telekinetic shield that has taken blows from numerous powerful characters without damage and his power cosmic blasts, which always seem handy. At his best he's been able to completely telekinetically stop Thor's hammer...AW has fluctuated in power a bunch over the years, so this might not have always been the case...thus the muddy outcome of the fight. But he also has mid-level telepathy and strength enough to hurt WW even if he's not stronger than her.
At his best (or near his best) WW wouldn't be able to harm him.
Here's a good list of his stats...
Adam Warlock:
Height: 6 ft. 2 in.
Weight: 240 lbs.
Eyes: Red
Hair: Blond
Skin: Gold
Known Superhuman Powers: Adam Warlock possesses a number of superhuman properties and powers derived from his artificially determined genetic structure. His bone and muscle tissue is denser than human, endowing him with superhuman strength and resilience.
1. Strength Level: Adam Warlock possesses superhuman strength which he can increase even further by enhancing it with cosmic energy. Marvel directories list his strength at roughly 4 tons unenhanced - and 40 tons enhanced. This listing originates from the old handbooks - since then Warlock created new bodies for himself, pip, and gamora. Pip's new body raised his strength from a normal human - up to class 10 (perhaps higher). To what extent Warlock augmented his own strength is unknown, though since that time Warlock has been capable of doing battle with several class 100 entities. It is presumable he is at least capable of reaching class 70 or 80.
2. Durability: Warlock has an immense durability - which when he is tapping cosmic energy increases even further. He took multiple blows from the brother of Ulik, who was presumably class 90 - without being harmed. He is able to withstand lightning bolts, missles, bullets, and nuclear warheads. When at his maximum strength, Warlock is surrounded in a nimbus of energy.
3. Cosmic Power: Warlock has a fair ability to tap cosmic energy for personal uses. He is unable to manipulate it as well as the Silver Surfer, or tap quantities anywhere near those Thanos of Titan does. Normally Warlock uses his cosmic power for bolts of destructive force, and to enhance his own strength and durability. When channeled into a bolt, his maximum strength was capable of destroying an area the size of the Kremlin in a single shot.
4.) Travel: In an Earthlike atmosphere, Warlock was able to attain the speed of sound (770 miles per hour). He could use his cosmic energy to locate and enter natural space-warps (discontinuities in the fabric of space) in order to traverse interstellar space. Warlock is capable of flying faster than light in space - but he is not as fast as the Silver Surfer. He is also able to teleport short distances, but the greater the distance, the more taxing the teleportation effort. Once, in desperate need to return home, Warlock travelled into a black hole, and used it to appear closer to Earth.
6.) Mind Power: An early bid for psionics, Warlock had them in excess. His telepathy was able to pierce telepathic shielding, and his telekinesis able to block the hammer and blows of Thor with ease. He possesses a nearly invinicible telepathic shield around his mind - though psi's of Exodus, Sersi, Man-Beast strength are able to pierce this shield and affect his mind.
7.) Soul Affinity: Adam Warlock has demonstrated a close affinity to his own, and other, souls. This is likely because of his longstanding relationship with the soul gem. Even without the gem Warlock is able to sense another's soul - commune
Warlock with the Soul Gem could give him a great edge, but Warlock's standard powers are a bit more powerful without it. The soul gem severely hindered his abilities. This is how he lost to Herc, and how he was able to shrug off the Karmic Blasts. Self confidence has a certain role in it as well. The more he focuses, the more powerful he is. Oh, and the battle with Thor, Warlock had the upper hand in the battle, but he was goaded by Thor and said he could not win without his psionic powers, and Thor was right. The things is, if Warlock had continued using his psionic abilities along with his other powers, Lady Sif would be Warlock's mate by now, and Thor would have gotten his a$$ handed to him. His psionic powers were strong enough to swat away the Mjlonir, I don't see why he couldn't do the same to WW.
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good points, sentry and digi. those are some of the best descriptions i've seen of warlock. this is all relatively new, however. when was 'classic' warlock around?
diana also has high resistance to telepathy (never been real clear on her own telepathic powers, though it is clear she has some), would likely possess thor's resistance to the karmic blasts (which could be deflected anyway). the soul stealing thing is a ridiculous power, and what if diana tied him up before he used it? warlock would be as screwed as anyone in the lasso. AW powers are, as you said digi, inconsistent. i think the only way AW wins this outright is by stealing her soul which he is loathe to ever do. it would be difficult for her to harm him (though he's been hurt PLENTY of times in the past, so the description of that shield is a bit suspect imho) but all she needs is the chance to lasso him. she is worlds better in in experience, has god-like attributes and abilities and is among the best fighters/warriors in either universe. she lasso's him, she wins. he steals her soul he wins. which is more likely?
hmm, draco, i'm surprised you gave up so easily on this one.
The battle with Thor I'm talking about happened before he had the soul gem. The battle with Herc occured when he already had the soul gem. Don't get me wrong, Warlock is powerful, but he isn't Superman. In physical combat, Warlock would probably be severely beaten. With the vast array of his powers working together, he has a good chance of putting Diana down.
I'm not so sure. Adam is probably on the same level as Dr. Destiny, and he was able to take away Wonder Woman's immortality. Karmic Blasts aren't his only weapon.
Draco might have though that Classic Adam is on the same level as Current Adam, but Classic Adam is still more than a match for Wonder Woman. I don't think the Lasso of Truth could overcome the Infinity Soul Gem.
Warlock was able to withstand a blast from Galactus. His durability is easily Superman-level. Defeating Mephisto in his realm proves a lot. As smart as Warlock is, you think he would resort to brawling?
Question: When has Diana displayed telepathic powers?
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<<Question: When has Diana displayed telepathic powers?>>
her telepathic abilities are tied (no pun intended) to her lasso, and she has also been able to communicate with paradise island on occasion. as far as her resistance to telepathy goes, i think that would go a long way to deciding who would win this battle, although i seldom - in fact, can't come up with a time in my head - remember AW actually using psionics to defeat a foe. the battle with meph in resurrection was impressive (especially since even galactus couldn't do that) but (and this may sound strange) i think he would have an 'easier' time with someone like mephisto. why the hell would you say that?? well, earlier in the ltd series, he was about to be overwhelmed by a horde of simple demons! aw's 'area of expertise' seems to be 'spirits' of which meph is one. the soul gem allows ridiculous levels of control over these types of beings. that's why aw could beat meph but not galactus - galactus has no soul and is not a 'spirit', even though his power is about the same as meph's is in hell. it's why he couldn't defeat (even battle) odin. there are certain opponents aw was MADE to battle.
<<you think he would resort to brawling?>> honestly sentry, i'm not sure (short of stealing her soul) that he would have a choice. again i use thor and herc as examples. purely physical foes (like herc, thor, diana - odin and galactus are examples of higher order beings of this type) are outside this 'spirit' realm he deals with so effectively. i suppose he could steal her soul (i contested whether he could steal superman's or thor's or hercules' so i should remain consistent here and say i think she might resist) but regardless, if he is wrapped in the lasso first, he still could be screwed. i'll admit, it'd be interesting to see the lasso's effects on him though. but, as long as i'm playing devil's advocate, i'll say it WOULD bind him for this discussion. AW has been struck MANY MANY times physically (again, herc beat him down with fists, further casting doubt on that shield of his) so i don't see why diana couldn't do the same.
i guess ultimately i'll say the same thing for diana as i said for supes - if he can steal her soul he wins. if he cannot, i think diana ultimately takes this.
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thanks cube. i just thought this was a great thread, and didn't want to see it ALL going one way. besides, i love playing the part of the underdog on this forum!
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